William Ashley Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) So it appears that early parole has been abolished: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Bill+abolish+early+parole+passes+Commons/4298153/story.html Being someone who finds the system totally broken I think that this is unfortunate in premise - although I think the system doesn't really match up. I think there should be some mechanism to determine when someone is ready to be released, and sentencing on a basis of time is totally faulty. Any move to have sentencing based on timeframes instead of conditions for release is entirely baseless. Having review periods however is mindful based on the general "catagory of offence" and "circumstances of conviction" I find that for minor offences an annual review or half year review is good where as for first time offences that are "moderate" but not dangerous offender basis should be a period of every 3 years. my beleif however is that there should be a graduation of time for review based on multiple offences. 1st time.... 2nd time 5 year, 3rd time 10 year... fin. Aside from arbitrary review periods however conditions such as meeting restitution requirements, or other parole based requirements. Since a court appeals process can take a certain period of time after the last court appeal, a hearing should be able to be held to determine the current state of the situation. I think social situations matter in as much as events.. it is the social context that matters most. bear in mind I advocate for restructuring the criminal code by subplanting it with a public safety code and treasury bill code --- and in the process transfering summary type offences wholey to provincial jurisdiction. Even some indictable offences really in some circumstnaces arn't that serious. It is about the victimization factor IMO, as well as the ongoing repercussions of the act. Not just about the act, and that needs to be taken into account on an ongoing basis. Edited February 17, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
cybercoma Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 For a party that wants to curtail spending, it seems antithetical to create a more expensive judicial system while cutting social supports so more people end up in the former. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 For a party that wants to curtail spending, it seems antithetical to create a more expensive judicial system while cutting social supports so more people end up in the former. We need to cut social spending so they'll be more criminals. More criminals equals more people in prison. More people in prison the greater the need to build them. No problems for the government now to build away. The government knows there are very weak people out there with weak constitutions who will commit crimes and continue to do so no matter how many community centers are built. On a positive note, more prisons mean more jobs. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Ahhh, the logic of Mr. Canada. How refreshing . Jail doesn't fix anything the same way that welfare doesn't fix anything. Social development programs go part way towards fixing something, but they aren't the answer, and I'm not sure what is. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Ahhh, the logic of Mr. Canada. How refreshing . Jail doesn't fix anything the same way that welfare doesn't fix anything. Social development programs go part way towards fixing something, but they aren't the answer, and I'm not sure what is. What I said above is the way I'm sure the socialists see it being. Sounds like something they'd say. People have turned away from the Christian God. That is the problem. If more people went to church and believed in Jesus we would have less crime. They would be trying to better themselves and would look after their own communities instead of just themselves. Instead we have young blacks gunning each other down over a bag of crack and we have white people robbing and doing b and e's to feed their drug habits. Round and round it goes. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 People have turned away from the Christian God. That is the problem. If more people went to church and believed in Jesus we would have less crime. No, I don't think so. I think that they'd be more foolish though. Quote
charter.rights Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) People have turned away from the Christian God. You are psychotic. God is not a Christian and there is no such thing as a "Christian God". Edited February 17, 2011 by charter.rights Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
William Ashley Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Posted February 17, 2011 What I said above is the way I'm sure the socialists see it being. Sounds like something they'd say. People have turned away from the Christian God. That is the problem. If more people went to church and believed in Jesus we would have less crime. They would be trying to better themselves and would look after their own communities instead of just themselves. Instead we have young blacks gunning each other down over a bag of crack and we have white people robbing and doing b and e's to feed their drug habits. Round and round it goes. wots b? Quote I was here.
Mr.Canada Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Violent crime is sky rocketing out of control. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
charter.rights Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Violent crime is sky rocketing out of control. No it is not. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Smallc Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Violent crime is sky rocketing out of control. Prove it. Quote
charter.rights Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Prove it. Ha ha ha ha. NO dickweed. YOU prove it. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Mr.Canada Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Prove it. Violent crime has skyrocketed since the 1960's which is when this "rehabilitate" the offender stuff started. Click link a chart. Look how much violent crime has risen. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
charter.rights Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Violent crime has skyrocketed since the 1960's which is when this "rehabilitate" the offender stuff started. Click link a chart. Look how much violent crime has risen. Violent crime has been falling since 1992. Read your own chart. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Mr.Canada Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Violent crime has been falling since 1992. Read your own chart. It's at least 300% higher now then it was in 1965. So violent crime has skyrocketed. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Shakeyhands Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 It's at least 300% higher now then it was in 1965. So violent crime has skyrocketed. Hahahaha.... Good one. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Shakeyhands Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Early parole induced good behaviour while incarcerated and involvement in programs like AA or NA. Without incentive to participate in these programs, we'll have the same people being released at the end of the sentences having none of the advantages. Our system is still set up on the premise of rehabilitation. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Saipan Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Early parole induced More victims. Our system is still set up on the premise of rehabilitation. It's why we have higher homicide rate. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 More victims. I'm sure you have the numbers to back up your recidivism claim Mr. No Facts? It's why we have higher homicide rate. Compared to what? Stats Can Stastics Since 2005 thats from 2005 on, would love to find something with a wider sample. I'm sure you're wrong either way. It's very easy to throw out your catch phrases. Please post something of value now and again? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Saipan Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Compared to what? As compared to last 80 years. would love to find something with a wider sample. This goes back to before 1934 handgun registration. I'm sure you're wrong either way. Prove it. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 As compared to last 80 years. This goes back to before 1934 handgun registration. Prove it. ~20 year old data???? You can do better than that, no? and you made the claim, it's up to you to prove it Mr. No Facts. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
cybercoma Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 It's why we have higher homicide rate.Than? Quote
Saipan Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 ~20 year old data???? Actually over 80 years. It shows how low the homicide rate was even before the handgun registration. And even during the Great Depression! How come???? Can you explain? Quote
Saipan Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Than? Than before all the crazy gun "controls". Quote
cybercoma Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Than before all the crazy gun "controls". You said the system of rehabilitation is why there's a higher homicide rate. I don't know what I was thinkging, but I was half expecting you to show countries that use punishment instead of rehab having a lower homicide rate. Get back to me on that. Quote
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