Shwa Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Hilarious column from Thomas Walkom from the Star. It won't be long before he is writing ads for the Liberals obviously, but some of his comments are right on the money. Walkom: Oda's attempt to mislead is part of Tory strategy Enjoy! From crime to KAIROS, Canada’s Conservative government has developed a novel method for dealing with inconvenient reality: If the facts don’t fit, invent new ones.That’s why International Co-operation Minister Bev Oda is in hot water. She got caught inventing facts around her government’s 2009 decision to cut off funding to the charity KAIROS. It’s also why Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives like a new study that supports their contention that crime rates are skyrocketing — even though all factual evidence points the other way. To dyed-in-the-wool Harperites, the world is a scary place. It is peopled by criminals, thugs, terrorists and radical Muslims — all of whom are slavering to slit the throats of law-abiding Canadian taxpayers and steal their vital bodily fluids. Obviously Tom lurks this board. But the Harperites stuck to their guns. They were rewarded this month by a 29-page study from the Macdonald-Laurier Institute that accuses Statistics Canada of underestimating the severity of crime.... In the latest report, one of the more curious criticisms made by author Scott Newark, a former aide to Day, is that StatsCan includes only murder victims in its homicide rate. If attempted murder victims were added in, Newark says, the numbers would be higher. LOFL! Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 They really can't deny this can they. But hey, it's printed in The Star so it must be lies. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Molly Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Speaking of "Harperites", has anyone noticed that the Tory talking heads have begun consistently referring to 'The Harper government', not the Conservative government, the government of Canada, the federal government, the 'new Conservative government' or any of the thousand other more likely permutations? Sounds like the spin doctors are focussing even more strongly on the PMO than in the past. They are talking tribe/team/leader rather than policy even more strongly than in the past. (That makes me expect even more below the belt, character-assassination ads.) Reminds me of a teenage girl from the Phillipines who we got to know during the Marcos regime. Everything seemed to be predicated on 'President Marcos', all government services his gift. Worse, sentences were twisted about to include his name even when it was complicated and completely unnecessary to do so, all to indicate him as everyone's personal benefactor. It was an interesting ( and sort of spooky) brand of brainwash. Edited February 16, 2011 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
eyeball Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Sounds like the spin doctors are focussing even more strongly on the PMO than in the past. They are talking tribe/team/leader rather than policy even more strongly than in the past. (That makes me expect even more below the belt, character-assassination ads.) Reminds me of a teenage girl from the Phillipines who we got to know during the Marcos regime. Everything seemed to be predicated on 'President Marcos', all government services his gift. Worse, sentences were twisted about to include his name even when it was complicated and completely unnecessary to do so, all to indicate him as everyone's personal benefactor. It was an interesting ( and sort of spooky) brand of brainwash. I'm reminded of a friend (a somewhat conservative fellow) who sees a certain Dear Leader quality about our ruler. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wild Bill Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 I'm reminded of a friend (a somewhat conservative fellow) who sees a certain Dear Leader quality about our ruler. Hey, the "suits" in all parties are going to spin with their strengths! Harper has consistently polled much higher as an individual. He has a weak point in that he's not perceived as having a great team, since he IS a bit of a control freak! Ignatieff has been just the opposite. He simply has not been able to compete with Harper as far as being a leader himself. However, the Liberal Party has some high-profile folks at the top besides just Ignatieff. So it will make sense for them to go easy on putting Ignatieff front and centre and focus on how their entire team is a better resource. It's really rather silly to criticize either party's strategy. Both of them are just trying to play their strong and weak cards in a manner that will help them gain support. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
madmax Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Read the article. The Condensed version.... ODa Falsified and Fabricated then Oda lied. Pretty simple stuff. Quote
charter.rights Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Read the article. The Condensed version.... ODa Falsified and Fabricated then Oda lied. Pretty simple stuff. McLeans Advertisement: A Vote for the Harper Government is a vote for liars....[PICTURE OF BEV ODA] Looks like it might be a good one. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
g_bambino Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Speaking of "Harperites", has anyone noticed that the Tory talking heads have begun consistently referring to 'The Harper government', not the Conservative government, the government of Canada, the federal government, the 'new Conservative government' or any of the thousand other more likely permutations?... Sounds like the spin doctors are focussing even more strongly on the PMO than in the past. It's nothing new. Naming the sitting ministry after the prime minister has been common practice in Canada for some time. Quote
Saipan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Speaking of "Harperites", has anyone noticed that the Tory talking heads have begun consistently referring to 'The Harper government', not the Conservative government, the government of Canada, the federal government, the 'new Conservative government' or any of the thousand other more likely permutations? No. Did you? Quote
Saipan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 McLeans Advertisement: A Vote for the Harper Government is a vote for liars....[PICTURE OF BEV ODA] Looks like it might be a good one. So Liberals did "kill the GST and NAFTA, right? Quote
charter.rights Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 So Liberals did "kill the GST and NAFTA, right? So the Conservatives INVENTED more tax and sent our jobs packing....You think that is something to be happy about? BUT Paul Martin left Stephen Harper with a $13 billion surplus. Harper spent more than $70 billion. Who is more fiscally conservative, huh? Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Molly Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 It's nothing new. Naming the sitting ministry after the prime minister has been common practice in Canada for some time. Of course one would expect to hear that style of reference from time to time, but it's unlikely that the entire caucus, and the whole corps of writers of speeches and press releases would suddenly, casually, coincidentally fall into full-time preferential use of it for no reason, all at the same time. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Scotty Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Read the article. The Condensed version.... ODa Falsified and Fabricated then Oda lied. Pretty simple stuff. Can you please give me the name of a federal, provincial or municipal politician over the past thirty or forty years one could not accurately call 'liar'? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
fellowtraveller Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Speaking of "Harperites", has anyone noticed that the Tory talking heads have begun consistently referring to 'The Harper government', not the Conservative government, the government of Canada, the federal government, the 'new Conservative government' or any of the thousand other more likely permutations? I have never heard CBC (TV or radio) call the federal govt anything but 'the Harper Government', often numerous times in the same short story. Critical story, of course. They rarely use any term of basic respect/civility either, like 'the Prime Minister' or 'Mr Harper' , just 'Harper'. Maybe the Tory talking heads are following their lead? Quote The government should do something.
Jack Weber Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) I have never heard CBC (TV or radio) call the federal govt anything but 'the Harper Government', often numerous times in the same short story. Critical story, of course. They rarely use any term of basic respect/civility either, like 'the Prime Minister' or 'Mr Harper' , just 'Harper'. Maybe the Tory talking heads are following their lead? Well... You'll soon have Sun TV to give a "Dear Leader' point of view and kiss the ring.... Edited February 17, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Battletoads Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Nothing new, just look at their axing of the census. Hard data is enemy #1 of the cons. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
Saipan Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Nothing new, just look at their axing of the census. Hard data is enemy #1 of the cons. Depends on "hard data". I don't need government's nose in my basement or bedroom. Who needs it? And why? Quote
Battletoads Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Depends on "hard data". I don't need government's nose in my basement or bedroom. Who needs it? And why? If you don't know why the census is important you must have an IQ around room temperature. Do you honestly think every civilized country in the world goes through the census process for fun? Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
Saipan Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 So the Conservatives INVENTED more tax and sent our jobs packing.... Our jobs went to China under Liberals. Who btw, suppose to kill that GST as promised. Or did Prime Minister Chretien lied?????? Who said long gun registration will cost only $2 million, and then turned into $2 billion. Whose lie was that???? BUT Paul Martin left Stephen Harper with a $13 billion surplus. 1) Paul Martin cooked books. Robbed E.I. 2) Robbed National Defence. 3) Paul Martin had the benefit of GST for well over a decade. 4) Paul Martin never dealt with world's greatest economic decline since The Great Depression. And we still came on the top. Quote
madmax Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Can you please give me the name of a federal, provincial or municipal politician over the past thirty or forty years one could not accurately call 'liar'? I know this one Bev Oda Quote
madmax Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 1) Paul Martin cooked books. Robbed E.I. Stephen Harper/Jim Flaherty Robbed E.I. And that was Legal if not morally wrong. 3) Paul Martin had the benefit of GST for well over a decade. The GST was Biggest CONSERVATIVE tax Increase in Canadian History!!! Mulroney had a Decade of Properity and ran the Highest Deficit in Canadian history, UNTIL NOW! 4) Paul Martin never dealt with world's greatest economic decline since The Great Depression. No But Mulroney he walked us into the 2nd worst recession and at that time the worst recession since the Great Depression. The markets collapsed, and then with the Liberals Expanding FTA To NAFTA, helped gut the Economy creating Permanent Closures vs Boom and Bust traditional cycles. Like these band of Globalist Free Traders is any different. Pure nonsense. And we still came on the top. Only if you believe propoganda. Quote
Molly Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 I know this one Bev Oda Is that NOT Ms. Oda, or NOT NOT Ms. Oda? Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
fellowtraveller Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) Well... You'll soon have Sun TV to give a "Dear Leader' point of view and kiss the ring.... Do I also have to pay $1 billion per year for the privilege of being misinformed, like by the CBC, or is that free too? Edited February 17, 2011 by fellowtraveller Quote The government should do something.
Shakeyhands Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Do I also have to pay $1 billion per year for the privilege of being misinformed, like by the CBC, or is that free too? Sigh.... Please point out any misinformation that CBC has provided to you. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
fellowtraveller Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) Please point out any misinformation that CBC has provided to you. do you mean like in the last 12 hours? OK. Last night they had their oxymoronic "Best of The Current" feature on CBC AM. Whatshername the hostess was interviewing a gent who was making some very serious, potentially libelous allegations about everybody surrounding CIDA management, Bev Oda, Harper and the Cabinet. His main point was that CIDA bureaucrats provided Minister Oda with professional advice, which she ultimately ignored. His role, his main job? He is head of the union that represents many of the policy analysts at CIDA and elsewhere. By turning down the $7 million grant money, Oda would probably cause a little flicjker in the twp or three staffers(and union members) assigned to the Kairos projects. The interviewer threw softball questions at him, he spewed selfserving rubbish with no real attempt at all for any obhjectivity from either. His mere presence in that chair was a f***ing joke, a joke for which you and I pay $1 billion per year. Misinformation, cloaked in serious journalism and utterly pathetic if were not so expensive. And no doubt eaten whole by some. To parapharse, asking a union exec about business matters that affect his membership is like asking a chicken to vote for Colonel Sanders. Edited February 17, 2011 by fellowtraveller Quote The government should do something.
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