madmax Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 The Price of Beer is $25.60 for a cheap 2/4. If you vote for Hudak it will be $1.60 cheaper. http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/112610--hudak-talks-beer-prices-1-million-spent-on-liberal-pamphlets A few Pops later.. the party called Health Minister Deb Matthews a liar after she claimed the opposition planned to axe the health tax, which brings in $3 billion a year, and the party issued a release stating it wouldn’t cut the tax. This week, Hudak said scrapping the tax is an option that’s on the table and wouldn’t answer questions about his sudden change of position. I am sure once he finds his footing and gets a sobriety test done, the pc platform will give him something to stand on Quote
madmax Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Posted February 8, 2011 I just saw this quote on MoonBox signature. "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 I'm not interested unless he backs off the cheap smokes too.... Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Jack Weber Posted February 9, 2011 Report Posted February 9, 2011 Well this is new.. Usually "Wine Tasting Tim" is blathering about Niagara wineries... Now he's slummin' with the Lakeport crowd.. How 'bout asking why Interbrew SA closed down the Lakeport Brewery in The Hammer,Timmah? I think I'd have to be drunk on a whole bunch of Lakeport to even consider voting for Hudak.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Topaz Posted February 9, 2011 Report Posted February 9, 2011 When it comes to the HST, he says he's against it but he wouldn't say if he get rid out it! Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 9, 2011 Report Posted February 9, 2011 When it comes to the HST, he says he's against it but he wouldn't say if he get rid out it! We've been through this before, Topaz. He CAN"T just get rid of it! For about the tenth time, McGuinty agreed to an HST deal that has a "poison pill" in it. If Ontario backs out, it has to pay a zillion dollars as a penalty! The most Hudak can do is to play with exemptions on certain things, like maybe electricity bills. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Wild Bill Posted February 9, 2011 Report Posted February 9, 2011 The Price of Beer is $25.60 for a cheap 2/4. If you vote for Hudak it will be $1.60 cheaper. http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/112610--hudak-talks-beer-prices-1-million-spent-on-liberal-pamphlets A few Pops later.. the party called Health Minister Deb Matthews a liar after she claimed the opposition planned to axe the health tax, which brings in $3 billion a year, and the party issued a release stating it wouldn’t cut the tax. This week, Hudak said scrapping the tax is an option that’s on the table and wouldn’t answer questions about his sudden change of position. I am sure once he finds his footing and gets a sobriety test done, the pc platform will give him something to stand on Hey Max, my Nova Scotian grandfather used to vote for whoever would give him a bottle! It was a point of honour with him to not cheat and vote for someone else. He had integrity - he stayed bought! Me, I'm not much of a drinker anymore but hey, if a politician will make booze cheaper I have to consider him! Cheaper beer is a damned sight better than anything McGuinty has ever done for me. I can't even trust him to keep me under the protection of the law, after what he did in Caledonia! If it were expedient for him politically, I would be toast in an instant! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
madmax Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Posted February 9, 2011 Hey Max, my Nova Scotian grandfather used to vote for whoever would give him a bottle! It was a point of honour with him to not cheat and vote for someone else. He had integrity - he stayed bought! Ah yes, the Good Ole Days. Me, I'm not much of a drinker anymore but hey, if a politician will make booze cheaper I have to consider him! Cheaper beer is a damned sight better than anything McGuinty has ever done for me. I can see the campaign unfolding now. Buck a Beer Happy Hour returns & Free Liquor & Beer on voting day. Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 9, 2011 Report Posted February 9, 2011 I can see the campaign unfolding now. Buck a Beer Happy Hour returns & Free Liquor & Beer on voting day. Ah Max, with the choices we have today I think on Voting Day we ALL could use a good snort! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Molly Posted February 9, 2011 Report Posted February 9, 2011 Need it on the way IN to the voting booth, to steel our nerves for the task ahead, and again on the way out to wash the horrible taste out of your mouth. A couple more later, so a person can sleep with that on their concience. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Wild Bill Posted February 9, 2011 Report Posted February 9, 2011 Need it on the way IN to the voting booth, to steel our nerves for the task ahead, and again on the way out to wash the horrible taste out of your mouth. A couple more later, so a person can sleep with that on their concience. Exactly! Back in the 70's there was an FM radio morning show duo named Pete and Geets, who were a pair of absolute wackos! I'll never forget one election how they were selling bumper stickers that read: "Don't vote! You'll only encourage them!" Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
guyser Posted February 9, 2011 Report Posted February 9, 2011 Exactly! Back in the 70's there was an FM radio morning show duo named Pete and Geets, who were a pair of absolute wackos! I'll never forget one election how they were selling bumper stickers that read: "Don't vote! You'll only encourage them!" it was Lardette and Beans Rontash Quote
ironstone Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Forgetting cheap beer for a moment,can any of you from the left name anything Dalton has done that benefits the people of Ontario?And I'm not talking about Ontario public servants including teachers,we know they have fared extremely well under the Liberals. The health tax...errrr I mean premium? The HST... another tax on EVERYTHING! Was it E-health? Was it the OLG scandal? Is it our ballooning deficit? The growing debt?(see above) What about segregated schools?(I just KNOW that makes lefties squirm inside,lol) Can it be the Liberal green energy policy?($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$,we pay,Samsung gets richer) Well....... what has Dalton done right? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Evening Star Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 A $10.25 minimum wage, doubling the number of community health centres, reduced primary class sizes, investment in higher education including expanded medical school spaces, and, yes, green energy. Quote
Evening Star Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 The minimum wage and green energy plan are exceptional for this country. Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 The minimum wage and green energy plan are exceptional for this country. Well, I will agree that his "green energy" plan is exceptional. It's downright loopy! As a techie sort of person, I truly believe that Dalton and his Liberals don't have a clue what they are doing in this field! They've made choices that look good but in fact are going to drive the average homeowner's electricity bill through the roof, UNNECESSARILY! There are much better ways he could have accomplished far more. His deal with Samsung really should be investigated by the RCMP. His MicroFit program for home wind and solar generation is an expensive joke, unfairly administered! It's all just smoke and mirrors for the ignorant! If you know nothing about how any of the stuff actually works then you hear the word "green" and you feel all warm and fuzzy! I don't think he's deliberately lying to us. I truly think he's too ignorant to understand what he's doing and he's following bad advice that he doesn't understand anyway. Energy brokers are going to get rich on his plans. Perhaps the RCMP should investigate how many provincial Liberals have invested in this sector. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
madmax Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Posted February 10, 2011 Need it on the way IN to the voting booth, to steel our nerves for the task ahead, and again on the way out to wash the horrible taste out of your mouth. A couple more later, so a person can sleep with that on their concience. LOL!!!! Quote
madmax Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Posted February 10, 2011 Forgetting cheap beer for a moment,can any of you from the left name anything Dalton has done that benefits the people of Ontario?And I'm not talking about Ontario public servants including teachers,we know they have fared extremely well under the Liberals. The health tax...errrr I mean premium? The HST... another tax on EVERYTHING! Was it E-health? Was it the OLG scandal? Is it our ballooning deficit? The growing debt?(see above) What about segregated schools?(I just KNOW that makes lefties squirm inside,lol) Can it be the Liberal green energy policy?($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$,we pay,Samsung gets richer) Well....... what has Dalton done right? You're Driving me to Drink.. I NEED 6cents off a bottle of beer, or I won't be able to cope Quote
madmax Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Posted February 10, 2011 Well, I will agree that his "green energy" plan is exceptional. There are much better ways he could have accomplished far more. His deal with Samsung really should be investigated by the RCMP. His MicroFit No one is against Green Energy. And WB makes soem very valid points. It could have been done better, & The Samsung deal raises many questions. Quote
Evening Star Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 I think many people are against green energy or, at the least, are against actively switching to it when traditional energy sources seem to be working fine and inexpensively for right now. I'll be honest that I also share some of your concerns about the Samsung deal - I would have preferred that the province support domestic producers, especially small-scale producers. I guess my position is simply that, despite these concerns and some of the clumsy handling, I think it's very important that we do move towards cleaner and more renewable energy sources and do it reasonably quickly. As such, I think this government has shown leadership in making a fairly ambitious transition that goes significantly further than what most other governments in the country had done. Like, there are actual wind farms that I can actually see that are actually producing electricity. It's too often that governments talk about doing things without achieving evident results. Perhaps you're right that the drawbacks/costs outweigh the benefits? I dunno. Are there other jurisdictions that have done a better job with a similar project that I should read up on? Iowa or NS? (Serious question. I don't know that much about the details of what those governments have done but their programmes didn't sound that different to me from what I did read.) Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) I think many people are against green energy or, at the least, are against actively switching to it when traditional energy sources seem to be working fine and inexpensively for right now. I'll be honest that I also share some of your concerns about the Samsung deal - I would have preferred that the province support domestic producers, especially small-scale producers. I guess my position is simply that, despite these concerns and some of the clumsy handling, I think it's very important that we do move towards cleaner and more renewable energy sources and do it reasonably quickly. As such, I think this government has shown leadership in making a fairly ambitious transition that goes significantly further than what most other governments in the country had done. Like, there are actual wind farms that I can actually see that are actually producing electricity. It's too often that governments talk about doing things without achieving evident results. Perhaps you're right that the drawbacks/costs outweigh the benefits? I dunno. Are there other jurisdictions that have done a better job with a similar project that I should read up on? Iowa or NS? (Serious question. I don't know that much about the details of what those governments have done but their programmes didn't sound that different to me from what I did read.) Star, you really should read up on a few of those details! McGuinty is paying wind and solar producers a HUGE price above the normal cost! Solar producers are getting 80 cents per KWH, as opposed to the regular price of around a nickel! He has guaranteed to take ALL their power, even when we are in a surplus situation, which means regular producers have to throttle back or shut down, while he has to PAY Quebec or New York to take our surplus! So he has encouraged wind and solar new generation by means of a gigantic subsidy, guaranteed for 20 years! THAT'S why our electricity bills are jumping over 46% over the next 5 years! We have been told for the past few years now that countries in Europe like Norway are years ahead of us with wind power. Now we see many of these countries shutting down their turbines. It seems they were only profitable because of big subsidies and now the countries just can't afford to pay extra to have wind power. Yet McGuinty seems blissfully unaware of their example and is hellbent to repeat their mistake. It's a stupid and unnecessary way to do it. It will unnecessarily hurt a lot of people on fixed incomes. It will make the idea of a business locating in Ontario and having to pay far more for electricity a very stupid and unprofitable one, at a time when we are hurting as traditional manufacturing is leaving our province and we desperately need alternatives to replace them. Oh wait! There's no need to worry about that! McGuinty has told us there will be 50,000 new, great-paying new jobs in the alternative energy sector, building those wind and solar generators! Where did he get that number? Why are these new manufacturers going to settle in Ontario and not ship parts in from China? Why are they going to pay high salaries here when with our unemployment rate being so high they can certainly find lots of people to work for much less? Obviously, he's pulled all his info out of his butt! It just doesn't add up. Take away his high subsidies and no one will build alternative power plants! What he should have done is try to change things so that people would find it profitable to build new plants WITHOUT subsidies! What he has done is like trying to lower the price of gas by using tax money to subsidize the price per litre. It all comes out of the same pocket anyway! The only difference is that if people don't take the trouble to understand this then they will just love him for being 'green' and give him their (unearned) support, BECAUSE HE SOUNDS NICE! It's just a con game. Maybe he knows it and is deliberately conning us. Maybe he's just a typical, stupid Liberal. Whatever, it's all still just a con. Edited February 10, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Evening Star Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 I meant the details in Iowa and NS. I do know that ON's plan is based on subsidies. That's pretty much the only way I could see a transition to green energy working, actually. I assumed that some of the subsidies were also contingent on the producers employing people in ON? It just doesn't add up. Take away his high subsidies and no one will build alternative power plants! What he should have done is try to change things so that people would find it profitable to build new plants WITHOUT subsidies! What he has done is like trying to lower the price of gas by using tax money to subsidize the price per litre. It all comes out of the same pocket anyway! How would we do this? Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) I meant the details in Iowa and NS. I do know that ON's plan is based on subsidies. That's pretty much the only way I could see a transition to green energy working, actually. I assumed that some of the subsidies were also contingent on the producers employing people in ON? How would we do this? Well, for a start he could have come up with a plan to encourage people to make their own power for themselves! You see, under McGuinty's plan, you can cover your roof with solar cells or put up a wind turbine or two in your backyard, but in order to sell your power to the Ontario Power Company you have to use a totally separate connection, with its own meter. What this means is that you never use your own power! Your power for your house still happens as it always has, coming in through your meter and you get a monthly bill. The power you generate is fed separately to the grid. You pay for the power you consume with the same old monthly bill you've always gotten. You get a separate cheque for what you feed the grid. The difference is your profit. If you decide to use some or all of that power you've made for yourself you're in trouble. It's VERBOTEN! What's more, if you're a handy type and already knowledgeable about this sort of stuff, you can't build your own system! You have to pay government licensed technicians, at whatever rate they want to charge, to install a system using only government approved parts, at whatever price they want to charge you! Maybe this is how he's going to ensure that they are high-paying jobs. He's given them a "license to gouge!" This is completely different from what many American states do. They let you build it with whatever you want, only reserving the right to have your installation inspected before it is connected to the state system. You use a 2-way meter, so that you can use your own power, draw on the state system when you need more and give the state system power when you have a surplus. The biggest advantage of this sort of system is that you no longer need an expensive, honkin' big battery to store power when you don't need it. A system that can supply your highest, peak load is both super expensive and totally unnecessary. Most of the time you aren't using anywhere near that much power. So you store it in a big battery bank for when you need it. Much more cost-effective. A 2-way meter lets you use the state grid as your battery bank, tracking the usage both ways to calculate how much you owe them or they owe you. Your system can be a lot smaller, since on those occasions when you're using a big power draw like a dryer or an electric stove you just draw more from the state grid. McGuinty won't let you do that here. You HAVE to stay connected to the Ontario grid for your own household needs, where you are not billed just for your power but also lots of other surcharges, such as transmission line fees and a few bucks to pay off the $30 some BILLION dollars that governments wasted with the old Ontario Hydro company, paying off friends with zillion dollar executive jobs and whatnot! Your only alternative is to totally disconnect from the provincial grid and build a system large enough to supply all your own power, which also means a big expensive battery bank. This means you can build it yourself, with your own scrounged parts. If you aren't talented in this area, you can google a bit and you'll find a number of companies who will install such systems for you right now! A wind or solar installation for the average house will cost you in the area of $30,000! Tinkerers and handymen down in the States are doing it for themselves for MUCH less! Even in the colder states! However, they are mostly living on larger country lots, with all the room they need. Doing it in a small, inner city lot is a lot trickier, but it can be done. McGuinty could have encouraged private citizen participation. He could have let us use 2-way meters. He could have let us scrounge and install our own systems, with just an inspection to make sure we built it safe. He could have spotted us some tax breaks, like no HST on parts for alternative energy sources! I'm an older guy and don't have the surplus energy I once had but McGuinty's approach has pissed me off to such an extent that I'm itching to build something for myself and tell him to yank down the electricity connection to my home and stuff it where the sun don't shine! There are some sources for the necessary batteries to build a suitable bank that would make things more cost-effective. Certainly, if I were younger after the first few years of savings to pay off the investment I would get more than enough 'free' years in my lifetime to make it worth it. Edited February 10, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Evening Star Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 I see what you're saying. This is the MicroFit programme you're describing, then? Quote
ironstone Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 You're Driving me to Drink.. I NEED 6cents off a bottle of beer, or I won't be able to cope I couldn't help but notice that you failed to answer my question. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
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