French Language Debate

[idealisttotheend]

Just a reminder that the French language debate is on at 6 MT 8 EST and is on Newsworld (en anglais) for those of us in the infamous ROC.

Any predictions?

[Slavik44]

Just a reminder that the French language debate is on at 6 MT 8 EST and is on Newsworld (en anglais) for those of us in the infamous ROC.

Any predictions?

surre,

Martin will be beat by the bloc, the Cons and NDP will basically stick to attakcing martin and both will pick up a few percentage points off of him.

[takeanumber]

Harper is getting his @ss handed to him by Duceppe.

[BQSupporter]

Gilles Duceppe is kicking everyone ass in the debate. Martin can not stand up for his positions, Layton can't present a real position on anything and Harper b/c French is his second lanuage is having having trouble keeping up, but his french is much better then i thought it would be and he seem to be the only on not get overly excited. Martin is getting very excited, moving his hands everytime he speaks and not answer the questions the others are asks him.

Mr. Martin how much money is in the E.I program?????

[Kiraly]

Thanks for the update BQS.

[Analyst]

Harpers mouth looked like Bart Simpsons all through the Debate--He clearly Lost and was Nervous Biting his lips-I like Jack Layton the best and his Platform!He come off the Best-then Martin-Doucette was good but he won't form a Government-Harper was Last....

[BQSupporter]

Are you watching the English subtext with translators or are you watching the French one?

Because if you are watching the French one Layotn does not seem giving concrete answer thats consern his policies. Harpers french is lesser then the other three, but he to me and french is my first lanuage and i use it everyday, he his getting out his points and his polices when Martin is not cutting in.

It is clear to all those that speak french the Duceppe as dominated the debate from the start and Martin as been on the defensive from the start.

Duceppe right now to me at least is winning the debate.

[BQSupporter]

I just watched a little bit of the english translation and I think those who are watching it are not be served well. The translators are not translating the quality of the debate. Three of the translators seems to have problems keeping up with the Leaders.

Its seeems to be a diservice to english speakers. This is how i feel when there is an all english program.

[Analyst]

Yes I agree-but The Bloc cannot form a Federal Government!!!

[BQSupporter]

But we can support a party that will form the government. The BQ will hold the balance of power and will put the interest of Quebec first.

Martin as not answered one question Duceppe as asked him. The BQ will make sure that Martin will not form the next government.

[Alliance Fanatic]

I think that Harper could possibly gain some points in Quebec, even if he does'nt do as well as the other leaders. I think that Harper could get possibly 15% in the polls their and a few seats. Some ADQ supporters will support the conservatives for sure.

[maplesyrup]

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[idealisttotheend]

Watching the english translation I think that Duceppe clearly won and knew what he was talking about it. It is a tragedy that this man is head of seperatist party and not head of a federal party.

Looks like Harper is backing away from a free vote on abortion but standing firm on Bombardier subsidies.

[BQSupporter]

Duceppe easily won. By far he was the strongest leader with the best overall message.Paul Martin looked like a fool when he lashes out his arms like he does. A big Bully. What is he a seal? It is even worse when he holds out his hand as if to say "Don't go there." Over animated and over stated physically. He looks beleaguered and angry all the time.

So far I am scoring it #1 Duccepe #2/3 Harper & Layton tied #4 Martin ( a distant fourth) . Harper looks very Conservative and moderate. He does not lash out or overstate himself physically and often avoids yelling matches. For those who were listen to the English translator. He was very soft and sirine. It is however hard to get the full context of his message when you listen to people bicker through translators, which is exactly what is happening.

I think Layton was holding himself really well. Layton is also remained calm and not overstating himself physically when he spoke. I also notice Jack is finally figuring out that he won’t win votes from Conservatives; he will win them from Liberals. Most of his attacks seem directly aimed at Paul Martin and the Liberal credibility. He has emphasized again and again that Paul Martin habitually breaks promises and provides funding for his friends vs regular Canadians.

I look forward to the debate tomorrow in English. Paul Martin is loosing this debate badly and everyone is taking deep shots at him!

[August1991]

Well, I just watched this debate, and spin, on TVA.

Super Bowl, Cock Fight?

Here's my call. Duceppe did best - haut les mains. Martin barely survived. In a weird way, Layton connected with many people but won no votes. Harper is obviously no ogre, but he's not Shrek. He's a straight bloke! (A BQ vote is safe now. A minority Harper is OK.)

The format is strange but good. It took the three anglos an hour to feel comfortable. The last hour was better than the first.

It is strange to watch one attack another and then another politely agree with a third (as Layton stepped aside to let Duceppe query Martin). Like our threads but speeded up.

My spin?

Duceppe on Martin: "He had the chance to answer on this , this and this question. He didn't."

Harper with Martin: "Is Canada's health system better now than in 1993?" Then, Martin's splutter: "Some parts are better..."

[BQSupporter]

My fav. line

Duceppe: Mr. Martin how much money is in the E.I program?

Martin: Let me make this clear.......Blah Blah Blal

Duceppe: How much money is in the program?

Martin: Blah..Blah..Blah..Blah

Martin could not answer the question and that is what most Quebecors saw.

[maplesyrup]

William Johnson, a Quebec commentator, just stated on CPAC that there were 2 winners and 2 losers tonight:

Winners: Duceppe & Layton

Losers: Martin & Harper

Reason: If you have to read your speech in a debate you lose.

If you read notes it destroys rapport the audience.

[BQSupporter]

I agree Duceppe was the overall winner. He dominated throughtout the debate and attack Martin mainly. He also attakced Layton and Harper.

I think it was good he attacked Layton, he trys to pretent that the NDP and the Bloc have things in common, that is not true. It is also good that Duceppe attacked Harper when he had to, so that he will know that we will work with him but we will stand firm to fight for the interest of Quebec.

It was bad that they had to read the statements.

[August1991]

Duceppe: Mr. Martin how much money is in the E.I program?

Martin: Let me make this clear.......Blah Blah Blal

Duceppe: How much money is in the program?

Martin: Blah..Blah..Blah..Blah

Pure demagoguery (all this money is in the federal budget). But it works, and Martin had no clear answer. Why?

And I expected more questions on the CSL deal, less on the EI surplus. But Duceppe got it right, overall. Martin had in effect no answer to any of these questions. (He attempted to answer the CSL deal by talking about foreign firms. Duceppe pushed him on the EI surplus. Trudeau and Chretien would have hit those out of the park. Martin couldn't.)

I was very, very surprised. Is PM PMartin poorly advised? He needs one line answers.

Note to NDP: Imitate the BQ in the English debate.

[maplesyrup]

Harper took the sharpest barbs came from Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe, the man Harper would most likely have to work with if the Conservatives win enough votes June 28 to form a minority government.

It will not be an easy alliance, if Monday's heated banter is any hint.

A range of "Conservative Alliance" proposals would not be good for Quebec, Duceppe said.

He charged that a government led by Harper would scrap the Kyoto Protocol on greenhouse gas emissions, reopen a divisive abortion debate and impose regional development cuts that would harm Quebec.

The notoriously unflappable Harper calmly fended off similar jabs from Liberal Leader Paul Martin and NDP Leader Jack Layton.

Over and over, he tried to drive home a Quebec-friendly message of language and cultural protections, tax cuts balanced with social spending.

"When I'm prime minister," Harper said, he'll meet with premiers to eliminate a "fiscal imbalance" created by centrist federal policies during 11 years of Liberal rule.

"First of all, we'll see if you're prime minister," Duceppe retorted.

Harper takes much of the heat in first leaders debate

[August1991]

While watching this debate, I wondered:

First, there was a clear voice missing. What would Stéphane Dion say to Gilles Duceppe, and indeed to all this?

Second, it is too bad Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe can't work together to do the good they want to do. Duceppe is a realist; Harper an idealist. (And true, together they would bankrupt Canada. But what a way to go!)

Third, once the four politicians were comfortable with the format, they were not afraid to express their opinions.

Fourth, I have never watched a French debate in federal politics where, overall, the language quality was so good.

[BQSupporter]

Mr. Duceppe just made it clear that the BQ will protect the interest of Quebec. But there is lots of things that the BQ and Harper can work together for..one thing if you watch the debate is get to the truth about they way the liberals have been spending the money in the E.I program. That is one accept we can work with Harper and both Duceppe and Harper Hate Martin and the Liberals, that is another thing we can work on. Remember it was Duceppe at one moment in the debate that said to Harper

"You will have to deal with me"

[Alliance Fanatic]

Winners: Duceppe & Layton

Losers: Martin & Harper

But then again that may be coming from a left wing persepective. I'd say that Harper did in fact score some points due to the fact that his french came across very well, I think that Harper will gain some points. However I also tend to agree with BQsupporter that Harper and Layton were tied for second.

I also believe that the conservatives and bloc could possibly find a coalition and then find a middle ground for alot of issues, especially if the conservatives win a minority which they probably will. My bet is that Harper will sweep the English debate, and Martin will lose for sure.

BQsupporter its great having you on these forums.

I think that we could probably find a way for a conservative bloc coalition to work. I think that the bloc must first accept the reality that free votes are a must in the house of commons, and be prepared to work with socially conservative members.

Many conservative candidates in Quebec are social progressives.

[August1991]

BQsupporter its great having you on these forums.

AF, the BQ will get its support in rural Quebec, but not Montreal ridings.

The BQ, according to Montreal and Toronto media, seem to be "nationalists" or "separatists". In fact, they just want to continue to live the way they do. This is a very, very long tradition in New France. Ever careful, they seek the best way to ensure this. BQ is obvious. This Harper guy is curious.

[BQSupporter]

Maple that is a LIE and im sick of you spreading LIES about the BQ on this website. IF you are going to slander the BQ get your Liberal talking points right and stop the LIES.

August1991 you are also partly wrong. There is lots of support for the BQ in Montreal. Alot of the ridings on the eastside on of the island are held by the BQ also the suburbs outside of Montreal are also BQ.

Maple stop telling your Liberal LIES about the BQ on this website. Your post are offend filled with such LIES and I hope that those that read your post know that you tell LIES.