Why I hate socialism - communism and the like.

[Oleg Bach]

Keeping this short and simple. It took about fifty years to find information regarding my father's family in old Russia. Finally my older bother came upon some old soviet legal documents..The commies attempted to convict my grand father repeatedly over a period of six years...the evidence simply did not fly...Finally I guess they had enough of this non-compliant God believing hard working man and took him out and shot him dead. The documents read..."Executed October 20th - tried and convicted October 22nd." I suppose the found the dead man guilty ...seeing he was not able to speak for himself. Even though this happened a long time ago - there is a bitterness that still resides in me his grandson....after all we are of the same blood and probably similar in many ways...Mob rule - the gathering of and motivation of common idiots by some sinister high arcy - who instucts stupid people to murder smarter people really irks me to this day.

Even now the socialist who strangely enough are unwaringly controled by super powerful and rich capitalists...piss me off...I wonder what it is like to be so stupid that you do the dirty work and bidding of the rich and powerful...all under the ruse of equality..such bullshit...Even people like Jack Layton and his traitorous wife really don't understand the system - They actually feel they have power. When in truth they are but dupes.

[bjre]

How many aboriginals can not find their ancestor in North America?

How many black slaves can not find their parents even they were born in North America.

Aren't they human being too?

[Bitsy]

Even though this happened a long time ago - there is a bitterness that still resides in me his grandson....after all we are of the same blood and probably similar in many ways...

I am sure you understand why bitterness resides in some blacks in the US.

[Bonam]

I am sure you understand why bitterness resides in some blacks in the US.

There is a difference. The US has done its best to redress such past wrongs. Even gone too far in trying to do so, some might argue (see affirmative action thread). Russia on the other hand has done no such thing, and in fact glorification of the Stalinist era is now once again common. That being said, slavery and racism are obviously no better than communism, both are deeply immoral constructs that crush the life and humanity out of their victims.

Edited January 4, 2011 by Bonam

[Oleg Bach]

There is a difference. The US has done its best to redress such past wrongs. Even gone too far in trying to do so, some might argue (see affirmative action thread). Russia on the other hand has done no such thing, and in fact glorification of the Stalinist era is now once again common. That being said, slavery and racism are obviously no better than communism, both are deeply immoral constructs that crush the life and humanity out of their victims.

The US has done nothing to redress these things - look at Haiti - Clinton and Bush took the money and are now using it to lever deals....they detest the poor - blacks and anyone that is not on their page of smiling corruption. YES I as a man of Slavic blood does not consider myself white - high ranking spoiled cruel anglos are white...those that spawned from the British Empire are white and because of their now twisted belief system that originally came from the Judaic so-call Christian faith.

..all treat those out side their clan as GOYEM...and most are now honorary Jews - who state that Judism is a state of mind" - Which means the de-humanization of people is the basis for empire building.....Capitialists of the extreme use the right hand for deceptive political rhetoric - and the left hand comes in handy to generate the ruse of socialism that only the rich benefit by - THAT IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.

[kimmy]

Of my mom's peeps, those who remained in the old country also most likely died at the hands of Russian communists, though not in a gulag or a firing squad.

-k

[WIP]

Why I hate socialism - communism and the like. Socialism and mob rule seem the same to me.

Here we are, galloping down the road towards fascism, through a growing income gap, and a Conservative government that's promoting militarism and trying to appeal to rightwing religion; and Oleg's looking in his rear-view mirror at Communism!

[eyeball]

Why I hate socialism - communism and the like. Socialism and mob rule seem the same to me.

Here we are, galloping down the road towards fascism, through a growing income gap, and a Conservative government that's promoting militarism and trying to appeal to rightwing religion; and Oleg's looking in his rear-view mirror at Communism!

He did make mention of a sinister high arcy which I suppose could mean the confluence of power and wealth that's always saddled high above the mob whether its a right wing or left wing one.

Oleg obviously spared a moment to glance up through the skylight.

[Oleg Bach]

Why I hate socialism - communism and the like. Socialism and mob rule seem the same to me.

Here we are, galloping down the road towards fascism, through a growing income gap, and a Conservative government that's promoting militarism and trying to appeal to rightwing religion; and Oleg's looking in his rear-view mirror at Communism!

If you don't know where you are coming from..it is hard to gage the road up ahead. You don't seem to understand - communism - socialism and fascism..and religion that really has no wings, right or left.. so - to explain to you - ALL of these forms of control are ALL under the auspice of a quiet elite - once the "mob" is mobilized and emotionalized..then dictators set them selves up to live like gods on earth as we are enslaved...the salvation is NOT to respect anyone that seeks to dominate you - no matter what flag they fly - THEY ARE NOT YOUR F**KING friends. Whether it be capitalist or socialist..they who conduct power through secrecy - Hate those the believe in the all mighty power of the universe (GOD)..............as long as you exist in a state of higher mindedness you will not bow dow or idolize a mere human....so we really do not have a problem here.

It is all about belief systems - If you believe that Bill Gates has more power than you and you are willing to submit to this type or others...then you deserve to be enslaved.

I am king - and so are you...and above us is only eternity that NO man can conquer! This is called the true rule of law - and it is the true order - the rest of the human constructs are OUT OF ORDER....I rest my case - stop being a coward.

[WIP]

If you don't know where you are coming from..it is hard to gage the road up ahead. You don't seem to understand - communism - socialism and fascism..and religion that really has no wings, right or left.. so - to explain to you - ALL of these forms of control are ALL under the auspice of a quiet elite - once the "mob" is mobilized and emotionalized..then dictators set them selves up to live like gods on earth as we are enslaved...the salvation is NOT to respect anyone that seeks to dominate you - no matter what flag they fly - THEY ARE NOT YOUR F**KING friends. Whether it be capitalist or socialist..they who conduct power through secrecy - Hate those the believe in the all mighty power of the universe (GOD)..............as long as you exist in a state of higher mindedness you will not bow dow or idolize a mere human....so we really do not have a problem here.

It is all about belief systems - If you believe that Bill Gates has more power than you and you are willing to submit to this type or others...then you deserve to be enslaved.

I am king - and so are you...and above us is only eternity that NO man can conquer! This is called the true rule of law - and it is the true order - the rest of the human constructs are OUT OF ORDER....I rest my case - stop being a coward.

Just as I figured, your rant on socialism here, is no more coherent or has any more to do with socialism than past rants. I am not a socialist by choice, and I wouldn't be looking at options from the left if I believed that our present capitalist system could fix itself internally. And I don't believe an economic system that depends on continual growth is sustainable anyway! The planet isn't about to grow larger to accommodate the demands for more crap by a consumer-driven economy.

The way I see it, when civil society begins to disintegrate (which is happening now in gradual steps), a fearful populace becomes more authoritarian, looking for strong leaders to fix everything. The social dominators who lead the mob and channel the fears and anxieties of their followers, have one of two directions to go in when economies go in prolonged decline, and the middle class disappears and is replaced by a wealthy elite and an impoverished lower class:

1. Go to the right, and divert attention from the wealth class who owns the politicians, and have structured the law, tax, and banking systems to their advantage, and to the detriment of the majority. This can easily be done by a fascist leader who deflects the unwanted gaze from the rich, and onto scapegoats -- which can include racial minorities, including aboriginals; religious minorities...invading Muslims etc.; foreign enemies -- especially ones resisting occupation and corporate control of their economies. And, along with choosing a scapegoat, the prospective fascist ruler makes sure to wrap himself in the flag and religion of his followers, and maintains the loyalty of the impoverished footsoldiers of fascism, by making the experience feel patriotic and godly.

2. Option two, to go to the left and take on the oligarchs is a harder sell, especially in this age of global capitalism. A Marxist or Neomarxist autocrat will first be aware that he could prosper a lot more financially by collaborating with the oligarchs -- so, going to war against them is not only a greater challenge, it also ruins his chances for great financial rewards.

These days, we have Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador among the few nations that are fighting against the imposition of global capitalism. And, it's not just a fight over control of domestic natural resources. Large multinational corporations are trying to gain complete control of water resources all over the world. Back in 2003, it was riots against water privateering in Bolivia, that brought Evo Morales to power. The Water Privateers

In most third world nations, foreign corporations are buying up land, and seeking complete control of their economies...not just the oil, mines and minerals etc.....and every time the corporatists loose, they use the power of global finance provided by the IMF and the World Bank, to try to destabilize the economies of rebellious governments. If that doesn't work, then it's time to send in the CIA, or some State Dept. contacts to see about organizing a military coup. And, if all else fails, it's time to invade and restore democracy!