Fantino really under attack

[eyeball]

That's pure Liberal promise, not conservative.

Not according to this poll which clearly refers to a Conservative/conservative phenomenon.

A Harris-Decima survey for the Manning Centre, says Canadians who identify themselves as in the centre of the political ideological scale are increasingly embracing traditionally “conservative” values.

Those include the “supremacy of the family,” an incremental approach to resolving problems, the definition of marriage and that abortion is “morally wrong.”

Pollsters Allan Gregg and Andre Turcotte said that most believe governments should play a minor role or no role in the regulation of individual behaviour and morality.

Canadian values shifting to the right, poll suggests

Despite the fact that conservatives say they do not want the state regulating their individual behaviour and morality Conservatives promise to do the opposite. See the policies and party statements regarding things like prostitution or smoking pot if you don't believe the source I linked to.

You seem to always imply that gun control amounts to nothing less than an act of the state climbing all over people's backs but you expect a party that deeply believes in doing just that to protect you from the state.

[Saipan]

You seem to always imply that gun control amounts to nothing less than an act of the state climbing all over people's backs but you expect a party that deeply believes in doing just that to protect you from the state.

"The right to own and bear arms is the [canary in the coal mine] for all

of our other freedoms. A government that does not trust it's lawful free

citizen's with arms is a government that cannot be trusted."

- - - - Dave A. Tomlinson, NFA

[nicky10013]

You have evidence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry

Former Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner Julian Fantino is opposed to the gun registry, stating in a press release in 2003:We have an ongoing gun crisis including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them. None of the guns we know to have been used were registered, although we believe that more than half of them were smuggled into Canada from the United States. The firearms registry is long on philosophy and short on practical results considering the money could be more effectively used for security against terrorism as well as a host of other public safety initiatives."[8]

In Video form:

I thought it would be interesting to see what Julian Fantino has said over the years about the Long-Gun Registry. Recently, he seems very opposed to it, and implies he has been for awhile:

Fantino vowed to maintain his strong stand on opposing the long-gun registry as well as on issues “(he’s) been concerned about for many years.” (QMI, October 15, 2010)

But it seems a while back, he was actually for it, before he was against it:

“We register our cars, we register our marriages, we register everything else. What’s the big deal with registering a gun? (Julian Fantino, CBC Prime Time News, August 25, 1994)

A year later, he was even more full-throated in his approval:

Canada’s police chiefs are urging the Senate to pass the Liberal government’s gun control bill without delay. The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police is concerned the Conservative-dominated Senate might amend the controversial bill and send it back to the House of Commons. The bill’s requirement to register all firearms, including rifles and shotguns, has angered many rural gun owners and natives who say the measure won’t reduce crime. But a police chief from London, Ont., told the association meeting in Regina on Tuesday that mandatory registration of all firearms will prevent crimes and make police work easier. “A very obvious concern to us in policing is that I want my police officers to know where there are firearms when they respond to calls, especially those that very often entail dangerous situations,” Julian Fantino said. (Canadian Press, August 22, 1995)

Now, over time of course, opinions are allowed to change. Mr Fantino has apparently changed his, and is in a small minority of (former) police chiefs and police who support the Long-gun registry. He’s allowed to do that, but in a riding where I’m betting much more residents support the gun registry then are against it, I wonder how many people will vote for him or change their mind if they realize he now is against it (when he was once for it).

I’m betting more people in Vaughan care about this issue as local issue then other “national” issues, such as the F-35 fighter jet, for example (even though I’m sure the cost of that and the single-source contract with no competition is sure to raise some eyebrows).

http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2010/11/10/some-nice-quotes-of-julian-fantinos-on-the-gun-registry/

[Wild Bill]

Despite the fact that conservatives say they do not want the state regulating their individual behaviour and morality Conservatives promise to do the opposite. See the policies and party statements regarding things like prostitution or smoking pot if you don't believe the source I linked to.

You seem to always imply that gun control amounts to nothing less than an act of the state climbing all over people's backs but you expect a party that deeply believes in doing just that to protect you from the state.

Well, at least they'll protect us from SCREWED UP gun control systems! Billions of dollars spent on smoke and mirrors hasn't made me feel any safer. It did make me feel over-taxed but supposedly that wasn't the intent. I have 2 daughters to worry about. I only appreciate systems that WORK, not systems that buy votes from the ignorant and mentally challenged!

However, I do agree that today's Tories do have a 'control freak' streak in them. This shows how yet another Reform root value has been thrown down the memory hole. Reform believed that governments should represent values driven upwards from the people, i.e. from constituents through their elected representatives and eventually into law. A Reform MP might personally be against abortion but if the majority of people in his home riding were ok with it then that's the way he would be expected to vote in Parliament on any abortion legislation.

Today's Tories are just clones of the old 'Progressive' Conservatives from Mulroney's day.

However, what can we do Eyeball if the alternatives are worse? The Liberals haven't been champions of the rights of the individual against Big Government in generations, if ever. The NDP are socialists. They believe in the government telling you what to do by definition!

The sad truth is that if you believe in the rights of the individual coming first and "he who governs least governs best" you DON'T HAVE an electoral choice!

Theoretically you could vote Libertarian but in reality that's a waste of time.

I've wondered for years what would happen if a Liberal 'Mike Harris" type came along and won the leadership of the federal Liberal Party, making it into something representing true classic liberal values instead of the modern liberal touchy-feely socialistic mishmash platform of the Liberal Party since Trudeau.

There are a lot of Canadians starved for an alternative choice. The rapid rise of the Reform Party, who in their first real election knocked the old PCs right out of the water proved that! In fact, if you look at Trudeau, Mulroney and Mike Harris, who all at least appeared to be something new and different at first, they won overwhelmingly huge majorities! It was only when we discovered they were just like the old boss (and in Mulroney's case, not only the same but slicker!) that we turned away from them.

Today's choices are all 'beige' and 'middle of the road'. If any more keep fighting to get into the middle of the road they're gonna just block the whole damn highway!

We Canadians don't get inspiring leaders any more. We just get the latest products of an advertising agency.

[Saipan]

Mr Fantino has apparently changed his

Apparently he didn't.

Btw, long gun registration was solidly defeated after two reading. Then after Liberal MP were threatened (like Nunziata was once) they changed their minds at third reading. And even then it was almost 50/50.

I’m betting much more residents support the gun registry

Which one? We have two.

And why?

[jbg]

Today's Tories are just clones of the old 'Progressive' Conservatives from Mulroney's day.*****************

We Canadians don't get inspiring leaders any more. We just get the latest products of an advertising agency.

Harper is not downright Nixonian. Mulroney was.

[Saipan]

We Canadians don't get inspiring leaders any more.

You mean roses, pirouettes, and lawyer type of empty speeches and verbosity?

I hope not. The Peeair Ediot gave us this 600 billion credit card, we have hard time to pay off. He's dead and we are stuck with his pipe dreams.