First Nations governance and compensation

[Shwa]

True. The issue is those who elected the Chief should pay them.

I didn't vote for any Chief.

And you're not paying for them. But if you think you are, then I would invite you to your local office of Revenue Canada and complain to those in charge. Put up a big stink, tell them that those are YOUR tax dollars they are spending and let them know in uncertain terms what you are going to do about it. Bring a gun to back up your argument. Be indignant.

Then, once you make bail, come back and tell us how it all turned out.

But I am betting you don't have the balls to do anything more than bitch on an Internet forum. So prove me wrong Saipan. You too, can make a difference!

(but probably not)

[charter.rights]

They use funds generated by the band as well to pay the $700,000+ for the one councillor's contracts. This money should be dispersed to the 80 or so members on reserve. That's not a rip-off? Of course it is.

Band contracts are tendered...another of INAC's checks and balances. So getting a contract for work is not a rip off. Very likely the money eventually was distributed back to the band through their spending on reserve.

The Band gets elected. If they think money should be dispersed to its members (which would be illegal under INAC) then they are the ones that should be demanding it. Not some back-woods nose breather. It really isn't any of your business how the money is "dispersed" on a First Nation. It is all controlled by INAC. Take your complaints to them.

[The_Squid]

It is all controlled by INAC.

Money generated by commercial interests owned by the band are not controlled or audited by INAC.

INAC is obviously doing a dreadful job at auditing salaries of chiefs and councillors and is certainly part of the problem. As are those bilking the system equally to blame, while their members live in poverty.

[AngusThermopyle]

Not at all, at least not in comparison to a big suck like you.

Do you actually have anything of worth to contribute? Or would you rather this topic just be dropped as it causes you some very apparent discomfort. Or is it possible that you are merely very angry because I've shown repeatedly that your friend is a blatant liar?

[AngusThermopyle]

INAC is obviously doing a dreadful job at auditing salaries of chiefs and councillors and is certainly part of the problem. As are those bilking the system equally to blame, while their members live in poverty.

At the end of the day this is ultimately what it comes down to. These chiefs are doing what they can get away with, it may be immoral and disgusting but the people of Canada through their own apathy have empowered them to do so. Although the cause may be easily apparent it still however does not in any way justify excusing, rationalizing or condoning such behaviour. Those who would do so are in their own way just as moraly corrupt as those comitting the abuse.

[Smallc]

Are you kidding me? The overpaid chief actually has work to do - for a band of 300+, the Senators are recipients of political patronage rewards that are required for some 70 or 80 days a year. Some of them don't even bother to show, they just collect their money and run.

Senators work far more than when they're in Chamber. On the other hand, I know a great deal about administering a small community (of about 175 people). It takes (outside of emergencies) about 2 hours a week...and it pays bout $150 a month. Now, a small reserve would take a bit more time...so lets double or even triple the time.

[Shwa]

Do you actually have anything of worth to contribute? Or would you rather this topic just be dropped as it causes you some very apparent discomfort. Or is it possible that you are merely very angry because I've shown repeatedly that your friend is a blatant liar?

The only thing you've repeatedly shown is how you come across as a blatantly cheap, haughty hypocrite suck with a misplaced sense of righteousness.

My contribution is to point this out. I think that is worth something don't you?

Or would you rather discuss the new 2010 Ram 3500? Sam Elliot says they are "Ram tough."

[charter.rights]

Senators work far more than when they're in Chamber. On the other hand, I know a great deal about administering a small community (of about 175 people). It takes (outside of emergencies) about 2 hours a week...and it pays bout $150 a month. Now, a small reserve would take a bit more time...so lets double or even triple the time.

You know nothing in comparison to running a Band administration. I would even bet you have trouble with your household budget.

[Shwa]

Senators work far more than when they're in Chamber. On the other hand, I know a great deal about administering a small community (of about 175 people). It takes (outside of emergencies) about 2 hours a week...and it pays bout $150 a month. Now, a small reserve would take a bit more time...so lets double or even triple the time.

So what are you saying exactly? That your opinion of what might go on in either a small Indian reserve or some chambered Senator is somehow relevant?

[The_Squid]

An editorial response from a First Nations news outlet:

http://www.firstperspective.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1026:chiefs-must-disclose-ssalaries-to-their-people&catid=3:newsflash&Itemid=2

[g_bambino]

Senators work far more than when they're in Chamber. On the other hand, I know a great deal about administering a small community (of about 175 people). It takes (outside of emergencies) about 2 hours a week...and it pays bout $150 a month. Now, a small reserve would take a bit more time...so lets double or even triple the time.

Look here to see what the salaries are for politicians governing jurisdictions with populations in the hundreds of thousands or more:

Mayor of Toronto: $142,538

Mayor of Mississauga/Councillor, Peel Region: $153,468

Mayor of Calgary: $155,000

Mayor of Edmonton: $142,000

Mayor Winnipeg: $123,000

Mayor of Markham/Councillor, York Region: $133,570

Chair - Region of York: $155,105

Ottawa City Manager: $238,000

Federal Cabinet Minister: $206,016

Provincial Cabinet Minister: $121,297

City of Ottawa

I imagine each one of those people has to pay income tax, as well. Yet, Ms. Clarke's tax free, quarter million dollar salary to look after 300 people, two thirds of which don't even live within the area she governs, is just "scraps". Clearly, anyone who even dares to question whether or not this chief's earnings are disproportionate to her responsibilities is just a jealous racist, perhaps even sacrilegious, as well, given the way CR deifies aboriginal people.

[AngusThermopyle]

An editorial response from a First Nations news outlet:

http://www.firstpers...sflash&Itemid=2

An excellent article, well reasoned and actually adresses many of the issues that make this whole debate so hotly contested. It restores my faith in FN people when I can read something like this as opposed to the blindly partisan opinions so often expressed.

[Guest TrueMetis]

I'm surprised that there is even a discussion here. This chick is overpaid heavily, how is this not obvious?

[Saipan]

Clearly, anyone who even dares to question whether or not this chief's earnings are disproportionate to her responsibilities is just a jealous racist, perhaps even sacrilegious, as well, given the way CR deifies aboriginal people.

Personally I couldn't care less if he was paid million dollar a year. As long as all the Chiefs are paid by those who elect them.

The way it suppose to be.

[Shwa]

anyone who even dares to question whether or not this chief's earnings are disproportionate to her responsibilities is just a jealous racist, perhaps even sacrilegious, as well, given the way CR deifies aboriginal people.

Show me anywhere on this thread that anyone who has questioned this chief's earnings is called a racist. What is that g_bambino? You can't? Why is that g_bambino? Oh, because no one has done such a thing? So to what end would you make such a statement?

Or are you actually calling those who criticize the chiefs disproportionate earnings, racists? Because that is what it seems like.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Personally I couldn't care less if he was paid million dollar a year. As long as all the Chiefs are paid by those who elect them.

The way it suppose to be.

You've got to stop saying this, I didn't vote for Harper yet I still end up paying for him.

[Saipan]

You've got to stop saying this, I didn't vote for Harper yet I still end up paying for him.

I didn't vote for Chretien either buy I'm the electorate. And I pay taxes for those politicians.

That's how it works but you still don't get it.

I don't elect any Chief. Those who do should pay him what they think he's worth.

[charter.rights]

I didn't vote for Chretien either buy I'm the electorate. And I pay taxes for those politicians.

That's how it works but you still don't get it.

I don't elect any Chief. Those who do should pay him what they think he's worth.

Tax exemption is a right, not our choice. They get money because were owe them trillions of dollars that will never be paid off in our lifetime. However, you keep paying because I feel a raise coming soon...And if I raise my consulting fees for 2011 I should be able to get a big piece of it.

[Smallc]

So what are you saying exactly? That your opinion of what might go on in either a small Indian reserve or some chambered Senator is somehow relevant?

Oh, but they're not opinions. I'm intimately familiar with one (when it comes to both reserves and small communities), and I've read enough about the othe .

[Moonbox]

Interesting that you think you are "most people" or that you represent anyone here....You opinion is worth nothing and it has been pointed out on many occasions that you are incapable of backing up any of your arguments with references.

What's even more interesting is how many people you've presented that point to before. You ARE a joke. You're regularly and mercilessly mocked and ridiculed for your COMPLETE inability to form anything even RESEMBLING a logical thought (see my signature). Your pathetic lack of perspective also allows you an unparallelled talent for hypocrisy (and inability to realize it).

My favorite part of this whole thread was:

Ah....more ad hominem...

And not even inventive stuff.... Your level of debate rivals Mr. Canada. Are you his bum buddy by any chance?

Are you not seeing how stupid your posts are? Do you see the irony? No????

This was all after you posted:

I wish you wouldn't waste my time, it is true. But you are like a lice infestation and you draw me in to scratch now and then. I will keep scratching and you can keep your blood-sucking on someone else's ass for a while, k?

I normally try to keep my rudeness down to simple mockery, but you're literally retarded.

Edited December 3, 2010 by Moonbox

[Evening Star]

If there ever was an example to illustrate the error of socialism (steal from the rich and give to the poor), this is it. "Giving to the poor" creates dependancy.

You know that this is not the definition of socialism, right?

[Saipan]

You know that this is not the definition of socialism, right?

True. The real definition is: "Socialism is a system where two people can live off each other without either doing any work".

[Shwa]

Oh, but they're not opinions. I'm intimately familiar with one (when it comes to both reserves and small communities), and I've read enough about the othe .

So without looking, approximately how many reserves are there in Canada and what percentage does your intimate familiarity represent?

[Bonam]

But Bonam, you know that's false.

Go back and read Dickens' Great Expectations, if you haven't already.

A helping hand can change a life.

Because a hideously boring work of fiction proves a point somehow?

[g_bambino]

I didn't vote for Chretien either buy I'm the electorate. And I pay taxes for those politicians.

That's how it works but you still don't get it.

I don't elect any Chief. Those who do should pay him what they think he's worth.

Your tax dollars pay for all sorts of people you didn't elect and/or who don't "serve" you. Reserves fall under the sovereignty of the Crown and within the jurisdiction of the federal parliament; someone has to administer them and that someone has to get paid to do so. Hence, who pays the chief's salary isn't at issue here. It's just how much she's being paid for the amount of work she carries out.