Bonam Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Yes they were... Those areas were given to the Arabs in the exact same UN resolution that gave Israeli proper to the jews. AKA the Partition Plan. Umm what? The day before the partition plan went into effect, the Arab nations invaded the territory designated for the state of Israel. Gaza and the West Bank were immediately (and for the most part willingly) overrun. Gaza became part of Egypt and the West Bank became part of Jordan. The area designated for the Palestinian state in the UN partition plan never existed, not even for a single day, as a sovereign and independent state. Quote
dre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Umm what? The day before the partition plan went into effect, the Arab nations invaded the territory designated for the state of Israel. Gaza and the West Bank were immediately (and for the most part willingly) overrun. Gaza became part of Egypt and the West Bank became part of Jordan. The area designated for the Palestinian state in the UN partition plan never existed, not even for a single day, as a sovereign and independent state. The partition plan didnt require anyone to accept it. It was about what the world community recognized... Can you list for me the countries that recognize the west bank as Israel territory please? Not even Israel does! Thats why the Kuriles comparison is such an utter failure. The west bank is not a disupted territory! Unlike the case with Japen and Kuriles even Israel is not asserting ownership over it! Why is this so hard for people to grasp? Its an apples and oranges comparison. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Prussia and Pomerania are disputed? Occupied? What? Start a war and lose...yez gets whats yez pays fer. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Prussia and Pomerania are disputed? Occupied? What? Start a war and lose...yez gets whats yez pays fer. Blah blah... blah? Blah blah. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Blah blah... blah? Blah blah. No answer for that one, eh? You, Sir B and naiomi can start the give back Prussia/Pomerania to Germany campaign. Maybe start shooting some rockets into Poland...car bombs...suicide bombers...da works. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Anyways at least we made some progress. Nobody is even attempting to defend the validity of comparing the Kuriles to the occupied territories, after I explained the difference between a disputed territory and an occupied territory. I was starting to worry about the ability of people to grasp basic logical concepts. Theres two totally different scenarios in play here. 1. A dispute over a bicycle between two children each claiming ownership of the bike. 2. More apt for the middle east conflict... Ownership of the bicycle is NOT disputed, but one child is saying "I know this bike is yours but you cant have it back unless you behave". Im glad I was able to help! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 (edited) No answer for that one, eh? You, Sir B and naiomi can start the give back Prussia/Pomerania to Germany campaign. Maybe start shooting some rockets into Poland...car bombs...suicide bombers...da works. It should be obvious to you by now that nobody is going to responde to your idiotic off topic blathering. If you want a serious reply, then write a serious post about the subject at hand (the Kuriles VS the middle east conflict) Edited November 5, 2010 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 I agree that my Pomerania/Prussia analogy is far better than the Kurile Islands one. This, however, I'm willing to bet on...no Palestinian state will ever exist as long as your bozo pals Hamas, Hezbollah and all their Muslim Brotherhood chums keep saying shinola like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg Why you like 'em is beyond me... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bjre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 How many millions dies under Mao? 0 million dies under Mao except those who are too old and who have illness and in traffic accident and work accident and some others. 100 million dies under Europe colonist in North America and South America, they kill a aboriginals every 10 minutes in 150 years. In China, if not because Mao drive Yankees, Brits, Japanese, and others colonist away and drive "UN" force in Korea to 38 line and help Vietnam to drive US away, China will not have peace for 60 years, who knows how many millions will be killed by European and Japanese robbers, let alone to have better live today like this: Jealous? Again? Talk about human rights, enjoy your so nice human rights when CAS take away your kids and make you bankrupt. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
dre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 I agree that my Pomerania/Prussia analogy is far better than the Kurile Islands one. This, however, I'm willing to bet on...no Palestinian state will ever exist as long as your bozo pals Hamas, Hezbollah and all their Muslim Brotherhood chums keep saying shinola like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg Why you like 'em is beyond me... I dont like them, and Ive made that clear on countless occasions. Youre making that up because youre a compulsive pathalogical liar that NOBODY takes seriously. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Goodness...an actual Maoist/Communist. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 I dont like them, and Ive made that clear on countless occasions. Youre making that up because youre a compulsive pathalogical liar that NOBODY takes seriously. Now I'm making fake Hamas videos to go along with my fake Hitler/Mufti videos? Keep smooching those terrorists. Save some for Sir B. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Now I'm making fake Hamas videos to go along with my fake Hitler/Mufti videos? Keep smooching those terrorists. Save some for Sir B. More willfull deliberate lies. I never claimed you made up those videos. I claimed you invented strawmen arguments about how Im an anti-semite, a nazi supporter, and a hamas supporter, when I am none of those things. Not ONE THING you have posted is related to this topic in even the most vague way. Your posts as usual are childish one-liners packed full of strawmen, logical fallacy, intellectual dishonest and OUTRIGHT LIES. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 More willfull deliberate lies. I never claimed you made up those videos. I claimed you invented strawmen arguments about how Im an anti-semite, a nazi supporter, and a hamas supporter, when I am none of those things. Not ONE THING you have posted is related to this topic in even the most vague way. Your posts as usual are childish one-liners packed full of strawmen, logical fallacy, intellectual dishonest and OUTRIGHT LIES. So why do you even care what happens to Hamas? Kill 'em I say. Like roaches. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 So why do you even care what happens to Hamas? Kill 'em I say. Like roaches. Its bizzare... you dont even seem to be aware of your own dishonesty. Youve now introduced YET ANOTHER BALD-FACED LIE, which is that I "Care about what happens to Hamas". I dont, and I never claimed I did. Id ask you to support this accusation but as everyone reading this knows you wont even try. Youll simply follow it up with more lies, more logical fallacy, and more intellectual dishonesty. Youre a waste of time. Im totally comfortable debating this topic on the merits, but Im gonna have to wait until Bonham, or JBQ comes back. I might disagree with those guys on this subject but at least theyre capable of basic human to human communication, and can attack or address the substance of my posts without lying through their teeth about what my position is, or flat out inventing positions I dont have. But dont worry... If I want I want to engage in discussion with a guy whos entire position is "MUFTI MUFTI MUFTI! YOURE AN ANTISEMTIC HAMAS SUPPORTING NAZI LOVER!" then youll definately be at the top of the list. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Its bizzare... you dont even seem to be aware of your own dishonesty. Youve now introduced YET ANOTHER BALD-FACED LIE, which is that I "Care about what happens to Hamas". I dont, and I never claimed I did. Id ask you to support this accusation but as everyone reading this knows you wont even try. Youll simply follow it up with more lies, more logical fallacy, and more intellectual dishonesty. Youre a waste of time. Im totally comfortable debating this topic on the merits, but Im gonna have to wait until Bonham, or JBQ comes back. I might disagree with those guys on this subject but at least theyre capable of basic human to human communication, and can attack or address the substance of my posts without lying through their teeth about what my position is, or flat out inventing positions I dont have. But dont worry... If I want I want to engage in discussion with a guy whos entire position is "MUFTI MUFTI MUFTI! YOURE AN ANTISEMTIC HAMAS SUPPORTING NAZI LOVER!" then youll definately be at the top of the list. Moron. http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm Which flamer are you? Perhaps...? http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ideologue.htm Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 (edited) Moron. http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm Which flamer are you? Perhaps...? http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ideologue.htm More insightfull analysis on the topic I see. You dont even know what flaming is apparently. Moron. THAT is flaming. Me accurately and succintly pointing out that you are a pathalogical liar is not flaming. Its objectively true, and I already pointed out a whole host of things you lied about in just this thread alone. Im done responding to your silly jeuvenile crap, your lies, and your continuous accusation that Im a Nazi, an antisemite and a hamas supporter. Ill wait for people that are interested in discussing the topic. But Im always willing to give you another chance, and I hold no grudges. Theres zero people on my ignore list, and if you actually manage to write a post thats about the current topic (Kuriles VS Is/pal conflict) then Ill be glad to respond to any points in it. But this is absolutely my last reply to you until that happens, and Im not going to be an accomplice to your attempts to derail this thread any longer. Edited November 5, 2010 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 (edited) More insightfull analysis on the topic I see. It's a classic site and everybody who posts here is one of these characters...no exceptions. None of us is changing the world here, me hardy. You play your game, I'll play mine. If you want to take side A or B in a 'debate' about what temperature to cook corn at, I'm sure there'll be a dust-up. Edited November 5, 2010 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jack Weber Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 (edited) Yes...well we know it isn't likely to happen nor will the planet cry over it. Germany lost the heartland of Prussian/Pomeranian culture to the Poles...doubt they'll be seeing that anytime soon, either. My Great Grandfather emmigrated from Stettin...It's now some unpronounceable Polish name with not enough vowels... All thanks to Herr Schickelgruber and Uncle Joe... Ironically,my Dad's cousin was marched at gunpoint through that town as a NAZI POW.... Edited November 5, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 (edited) My Great Grandfather emmigrated from Stettin...It's now some unpronounceable Polish name with not enough vowels... All thanks to Herr Schickelgruber and Uncle Joe... Same boat I see...same deal here only Volga Germany. Edited November 5, 2010 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jack Weber Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 It's called forced gentrification by the pinko's from Moscow...Same thing happened in East Prussia....Kaliningrad is still Konigsberg in my book!!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 It's called forced gentrification by the pinko's from Moscow...Same thing happened in East Prussia....Kaliningrad is still Konigsberg in my book!!!! As is Danzig for that matter. But, both you and I are reasonable people and know that getting lands back after 'our tribe'* caused such a fuss in the 1940s is highly unlikely. *like you, all my grandparents were born in North America if I'm correct. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 (edited) As is Danzig for that matter. But, both you and I are reasonable people and know that getting lands back after 'our tribe'* caused such a fuss in the 1940s is highly unlikely. *like you, all my grandparents were born in North America if I'm correct. Get what lands back? Theyre already there living on them... They never left, and not even Israel takes the position that these lands are Israeli. Israel claims that they are there temporarily to address security concerns. Are you accusing them of lying? If *I* did that youd dance around screaming ANTI_SEMITE!!! Based on your twisted logic the US should keep Afghanistan and Iraq and make them US states. After all you could make the case that those countries "started it" and then "lost the war". But they wont do that... theyll return those countries to the people that live in them because thats what international law dictates and thats how the world works today. Trying to compare the situation to things that happened in times past is a waste of time. Compare them to what happens TODAY... And today, the US wont permanently keep Iraq and Afghanistan even though they could make the exact same cases youre making for Israel keeping the occupied territories. Nato forces wont keep Serbia either just because "they won the war", and Saddam didnt get to keep Kuwait because he "won the war" either. Borders in this day and age arent determined the same way they were a century ago. Edited November 5, 2010 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Jack Weber Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 Get what lands back? Theyre already there living on them... They never left, and not even Israel takes the position that these lands are Israeli. Israel claims that they are there temporarily to address security concerns. Are you accusing them of lying? If *I* did that youd dance around screaming ANTI_SEMITE!!! Based on your twisted logic the US should keep Afghanistan and Iraq and make them US states. After all you could make the case that those countries "started it" and then "lost the war". But they wont do that... theyll return those countries to the people that live in them because thats what international law dictates and thats how the world works today. Trying to compare the situation to things that happened in times past is a waste of time. Compare them to what happens TODAY... And today, the US wont permanently keep Iraq and Afghanistan even though they could make the exact same cases youre making for Israel keeping the occupied territories. Nato forces wont keep Serbia either just because "they won the war", and Saddam didnt get to keep Kuwait because he "won the war" either. Borders in this day and age arent determined the same way they were a century ago. Em...We're talking about Germanic land that was confiscated and gentrified,either by treaty or force,by the Russians or Allies after WW1 and the 2nd World War...Those lands are lost forever... Welcome to reality... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 As is Danzig for that matter. But, both you and I are reasonable people and know that getting lands back after 'our tribe'* caused such a fuss in the 1940s is highly unlikely. *like you, all my grandparents were born in North America if I'm correct. All but one of my Grandparents were born in Canada... My Grandmother on my Mom's side was English....She was a War Bride... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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