Argus Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 I was just catching a bit of the Reagan funeral coverage on ABC. It was mentioned that the G8 leaders were staying over to attend the funeral. Also that the leaderse of all 170 odd nations the US has diplomatic relations with have been invited to the funeral on Friday. It could be the largest gathering of heads of state ever - according to the reporter. Paul Martin will not be attending. Do you think it's because he believes he's wasted enough time being Prime Minister over the last week and is desperate to get back to campaigning, or because he wants to pointedly disassociate himself from an American conservative president? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
August1991 Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 He should send a senior representative, which I suspect he has done. Anyone know who went? (In the US, that's what the VP does.) Quote
Stoker Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Ahh yes, with such formor world leaders as Thatcher and Gorbachov attending, not too mention many other Current Heads of State.......we will send Ann McLellan or Bill Graham Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
August1991 Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Ahh yes, with such formor world leaders as Thatcher and Gorbachov attendingHe can't send Trudeau. Quote
Stoker Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 He can't send Trudeau I don't know that Trudeau would be welcome.......I'd see what Brain is doing (if he is not going already) and ask him to go to represnet Canadians......I still think Martin should be there. Edited to Add: Maybe we should plan ahead and ask Harper to go Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
August1991 Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Mulroney's going - or so he said on CBC. He even said he spoke to Nancy shortly before Reagan "passed away". English Canadian leaders must never appear to "faire la courbette devant les Américains". Trudeau must have written that and then translated it himself as "kowtow to Americans". (That's Chinese!) It's not merely imagery (perception), there's content too. Quote
Stoker Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 It's not merely imagery (perception), there's content too. And what is that content? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
August1991 Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Trudeau flew to Havana and shared a podium with Castro. The content? We Canadians share a continent with Americans. But we do what we want because that's how Americans are. The whole world knows that America's neighbour disagrees. And America accepts this. The good cop/bad cop routine is a product of the Enlightenment. It's not image. You asked the question and I hope my response is clear. If not, I'll try again. The United States is a country that accepts and encourages opposite opinions. Americans appreciate us when we disagree. Many Canadians too feel better when we thumb our nose at supposed "official truth". IMV, it is Canadian nature to find politely our own way. Quote
Stoker Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 The United States is a country that accepts and encourages opposite opinions. Americans appreciate us when we disagree. Many Canadians too feel better when we thumb our nose at supposed "official truth". IMV, it is Canadian nature to find politely our own way. I doubt it is that America really "encourages opposite opinions", more so that they don't really care about "opposite opinions"......... Trudeau going to Cuba was not really that big of a deal to them.......no harm, no foul. But as we can be given clear proof by recent events and looking back at history, when a country goes from yapping at the yanks to bitting them......watch out. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
playfullfellow Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Out of respect for a man who achieved many things, Martin should go. This does not just boil down to personal beliefs or feelings, this is respect for a former leader whom the world generally liked. This is not a time to turn your nose up at the US. Quote
August1991 Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 I doubt it is that America really "encourages opposite opinions", more so that they don't really care about "opposite opinions"......... Read the US Bill of Rights. Sit in a Krispy Kreme in Alabama. Say that you are a Canadian and you disagree with this Iraqi war. Listen to the following discussion. Quote
Stoker Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 At the end of the day, do really think that the American government, and most important of all, the average American, really care what Canadians (or most other nations) think, just so long as it dosen't affect them? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
August1991 Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Stoker, they don't care. Most don't know where Canada is (it's in the cold north) and many seem to think New Mexico is part of Mexico. Shown a map, few can point to Iraq. I simply mean that ordinary Americans get on with life and they respect the right of others to do the same. Quote
cgarrett Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 the whole reagan funeral is just another 'snow job' for president bush and other republicans. gee, i've even seen arnold s. yapping on NeoconBC about how he looked up to reagan. give me a break! thats laughable. on dennis miller some guys says something like "many people have said terrible things about reagan and maybe feel now that those things were imapropriate and bush has many of the same things said about him today"! hilarious! maybe we should revise history regarding the activities of hitler or stalin or pinochet! heck, they weren't all that bad... were they? i know that not all americans are so stupid as to beleive this tripe! the biggest threat to americans (and canadians) is the ownership of most media by a small number of individuals (a great topic for another post). i'd be interested to hear what harper says... is he going? did he look up to reagan too? Quote
Remus Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 on dennis miller some guys says something like "many people have said terrible things about reagan and maybe feel now that those things were imapropriate and bush has many of the same things said about him today"! Churchill was once dismissed as a warmonger during the 1930's. Now I am not suggesting that Bush is anywhere near the quality of a leader that Churchill was, this is just not the case. However the jury is still out on the end results of Bush's policies. Quote
Remus Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 He should send a senior representative, which I suspect he has done. Anyone know who went? (In the US, that's what the VP does.) I believe the Governer General is attending the funeral. Quote
caesar Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Martin does not have to attend the funeral; he has spent too much time outside of Canada now and should be here attending to election issues. The governor general, Adrienne Clarkson, is attending officially for Canada. The jury in not still out of Bush's leadership and his policies. America is now the mosted hated nation in the world thanks to Bush's arrogant and aggressive actions. He believes that he is above international laws but sure wants others to abide by them. Quote
Bryant Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Why doesn"t Harper ever attend any of these Funerals,Functions or events--I wonder-Other Candidates in history have!!! Quote
Argus Posted June 10, 2004 Author Report Posted June 10, 2004 Ahh yes, with such formor world leaders as Thatcher and Gorbachov attending, not too mention many other Current Heads of State.......we will send Ann McLellan or Bill Graham The former world leaders aren't the question. The question is are the present world leaders going? Is Putin going to be there? Chirac? Blare? Are the leaders of the world going to be there to show respect for what Reagan accomplished? And if so Martin should be there. Sending an appointed political hack (the GG) won't impress anyone. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
caesar Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Why now is Reagan suddenly this great leader? He was a bit of a joke while he was in office. It would be stupid for Martin to go as Mulroney has been invited and even asked to speak. Quote
Stoker Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Stoker, they don't care. Most don't know where Canada is (it's in the cold north) and many seem to think New Mexico is part of Mexico. Shown a map, few can point to Iraq.I simply mean that ordinary Americans get on with life and they respect the right of others to do the same. Are we reading the same thread? I've been saying that the Americans don't really care about our opinions for a while........And I for one would like to change that...(in a positive direction. I don't want nor do I expect for Americans to become "weak behind the knees" at the thought of Canada, but I would like a little respect/regoniction (as I'm sure most Canadians would).....and like they say, respect is earned, not demanded, so let's get on with it. Why now is Reagan suddenly this great leader? He was a bit of a joke while he was in office. It would be stupid for Martin to go as Mulroney has been invited and even asked to speak. Reagan "suddenly" became a great leader after he defeated the Peanut farmer in the 1980 election....... Something to do with ending the Cold War, and jump starting the American economy, which sadly, took longer then expected, and the rewards landed in the lap of Bubba..... Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Argus Posted June 11, 2004 Author Report Posted June 11, 2004 Why now is Reagan suddenly this great leader? He was a bit of a joke while he was in office. It would be stupid for Martin to go as Mulroney has been invited and even asked to speak. You know what? I didn't think much of Reagan either. I didn't think much of the ultra-conservative politics he represented, or the way the US government policies hurt the environment and the poor. And I thought his cold war rhetoric was well... dated. But guess what? The sonofabitch apparently knew what he was doing. He actually did manage to defeat the "evil empire"! And he gets history's nod as a man of enormous influence and foresight on that alone. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
g_bambino Posted June 14, 2004 Report Posted June 14, 2004 Caesar was correct-- the Governor General was to attend. The Reagan funeral was a State Funeral, and thus it is more appropriate to send one of our Canadian heads of state rather than simply our head of government. As the current election is showing us, Paul Martin does not represent all Canadians. The Crown, however, is the symbol of the Canadian state. So, contrary to Argus' comment about her being a "political hack", sending the Governor General is almost the greatest respect Canada could show, short of sending the Queen herself. But, she does not attend any foreign funerals (and thus Prince Charles went to represent Great Brtiain). As for former PM Brian Mulroney-- he was there as a personal friend of the Reagans, not as an official representative of Canada. Quote
Alliance Fanatic Posted June 14, 2004 Report Posted June 14, 2004 maybe we should revise history regarding the activities of hitler or stalin or pinochet! heck, they weren't all that bad... were they?'No offense, but Reagan was'nt the same as Hitler, Stalin, or Pinochet. I think that you have been reading too many left wing conspiracy theories. Plus he did have great accomplishments be beating back the evils of communism. After all communism is as bad as facism. Winston Chruchill was also considered a war monger, the problem is that if Jack Layton was leading this country in the 30's, and 40's Canada would'nt have been involved in the war. Imagine Svend Robinson going to Germany to talk about the great social programs and the evils of Britian's imperialism. Quote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" - George Orwell's Animal Farm
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