Israel clears... Israel

[DogOnPorch]

Wow! I haven't seen a strawman torn apart so badly since the flying monkeys took apart the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz.

There is a significant difference between 'crying about fairness' and explaining why Hamas fighters don't march in a neat little line in open field with flashing green lights to make it easy for the Israeli drones to annihilate them.

If anyone cries about fairness, it's Israel, which is why it's all so absurd.

Keep cryin'...

[dre]

Palestinians havent been giving any incentive at all to stop assymetric resistance to the occupation. They know that no matter what they do Israel will continue to settle their land, and pump out the majority of their resources.

A good example is the west bank... theres been very little violence origionating from there for some time now... The government there seems fairly moderate and wants to negotiate. They were rewarded this by Israel announcing they issue thousands of new building permits for the west bank.

Even if every single person in the west bank stopped all violence, recognized Israel, and professed their love for Jews, NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Israel wants the water... and the land... theyre strong enough to take it so they will. End of story.

[KeyStone]

Palestinians havent been giving any incentive at all to stop assymetric resistance to the occupation. They know that no matter what they do Israel will continue to settle their land, and pump out the majority of their resources.

A good example is the west bank... theres been very little violence origionating from there for some time now... The government there seems fairly moderate and wants to negotiate. They were rewarded this by Israel announcing they issue thousands of new building permits for the west bank.

Even if every single person in the west bank stopped all violence, recognized Israel, and professed their love for Jews, NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Israel wants the water... and the land... theyre strong enough to take it so they will. End of story.

It's like having a boss.

If you ask for a raise, the boss claims that he would have given you one, if you hadn't been so pushy and aggressive.

Of course, if you don't ask for a raise, then your boss is only too happy not to give you one.

If you say nothing, Israel does nothing for the Palestinians.

If you say something, they use that as the justification for doing nothing for the Palestinians.

[DogOnPorch]

It's like having a boss.

If you ask for a raise, the boss claims that he would have given you one, if you hadn't been so pushy and aggressive.

Of course, if you don't ask for a raise, then your boss is only too happy not to give you one.

If you say nothing, Israel does nothing for the Palestinians.

If you say something, they use that as the justification for doing nothing for the Palestinians.

Dirty Jews. I hear they control the media and the banks!

[KeyStone]

Dirty Jews. I hear they control the media and the banks!

Ahh, using the standard 'all criticism of Israel is anti-semitism' defense. How novel.

Sadly, it's a step up from your previous post.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Let's put that in a North American setting. Some black people killed a white woman. Therefore, the black people should identify themselves, so we can punish them. If they do not, we have the right to demolish an entire area where black people live. If innocent black people die in the process, it is the fault of the black killers...

This is a racist absurdity, if only because the "black people" are also part of law enforcement, citizenry, victims, and perpetrators....but not the "enemy" in an occupied territory. Who is "we" in this context?

Edited October 29, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Slim]

Dirty Jews. I hear they control the media and the banks!

Absolutely unnecessary post. Keystone and dre have many solid points, and if you aren't going to address them, then don't post drivel like this.

[DogOnPorch]

Ahh, using the standard 'all criticism of Israel is anti-semitism' defense. How novel.

Sadly, it's a step up from your previous post.

Ah, sorry...I meant to say 'the evil Zionist Entity' rather than brush all with one stroke. They're the ones controling the media and Washington DC. Right? Three billion a year and yayo like that? US weapons...US support...US whatever? I'll try to remember you don't have it in for all Jews.

[DogOnPorch]

Absolutely unnecessary post. Keystone and dre have many solid points, and if you aren't going to address them, then don't post drivel like this.

Pearls before swine.

[bud]

Absolutely unnecessary post. Keystone and dre have many solid points, and if you aren't going to address them, then don't post drivel like this.

dogonporch shamelessly battles any criticism of israel with a few desperate cards since he is unable to use facts. the antisemitism card is his favourite.

[M.Dancer]

Palestinians havent been giving any incentive at all to stop assymetric resistance to the occupation.

Really? You would think 1000+ dead in the last Gaza retaliatory invasion would provide all the motivation any intelligent person would need.

How many dead will it take for them to realize that they will not have a military solution?

[M.Dancer]

Wow! I haven't seen a strawman torn apart so badly since the flying monkeys took apart the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz.

There is a significant difference between 'crying about fairness' and explaining why Hamas fighters don't march in a neat little line in open field with flashing green lights to make it easy for the Israeli drones to annihilate them.

If anyone cries about fairness, it's Israel, which is why it's all so absurd.

That is an apology for a recognised war crime. You are basically saying, they can't win using the rules of war, therefore they don't, and then they complain about the civilian deaths, which are israel's fault.

[M.Dancer]

Perhaps we should give them the ability to shootdown unmanned drones, and direct their missiles into military areas? Would that make things better?.

War isn't about fighting as equals, that a fallacy foisted by the feverishly foolish.

It's time the arabs giot their collective heads out of the sand. They started a war in 48. They lost. Get over it.

[DogOnPorch]

dogonporch shamelessly battles any criticism of israel support for terrorists with a few desperate cards choice words since he is unable to use facts stop vomiting when dealing with these ying-yangs. the antisemitism 'why do you support Islamo-Nazis?' card is his favourite.

[KeyStone]

That is an apology for a recognised war crime. You are basically saying, they can't win using the rules of war, therefore they don't, and then they complain about the civilian deaths, which are israel's fault.

Just so I'm clear, Dancer, do we think international law and the will of the UN is important or not?

Let's be consistent on this, and not just use international law when it suits our purposes.

[M.Dancer]

Just so I'm clear, Dancer, do we think international law and the will of the UN is important or not?

Let's be consistent on this, and not just use international law when it suits our purposes.

When you say we, does that include you? If so, how do you balance that with your apology of Hamas war crimes?

[dre]

Really? You would think 1000+ dead in the last Gaza retaliatory invasion would provide all the motivation any intelligent person would need.

How many dead will it take for them to realize that they will not have a military solution?

Theyre damned if they resist, and damned if they dont.

But if they had just quietly accepted Israeli colonization, then the west bank would be completely settled now, and palestinians would have long ago been herded onto little indian reserves. The fighting keeps a spotlight on the place and limits how aggresive Israel can be.

BTW... Guerillas never expect to beat the superior national armies they fight. Generally they just try to make it very expensive for their opponent to be the game, with the hopes that they will eventually decide its just not worth it.

Youre right though... a military victory is not gonna happen. Theres absolutely no way this goes well for the palestinians no matter what they do.

Edited October 29, 2010 by dre

[DogOnPorch]

Theyre damned if they resist, and damned if they dont.

But if they had just quietly accepted Israeli colonization, then the west bank would be completely settled now, and palestinians would have long ago been herded onto little indian reserves. The fighting keeps a spotlight on the place and limits how aggresive Israel can be.

BTW... Guerillas never expect to beat the superior national armies they fight. Generally they just try to make it very expensive for their opponent to be the game, with the hopes that they will eventually decide its just not worth it.

Youre right though... a military victory is not gonna happen. Theres absolutely no way this goes well for the palestinians no matter what they do.

That's what they get for following the pipe dreams of Nazis and terrorists.

[DogOnPorch]

These just in...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/hamas-official-another-gaza-war-would-cost-israel-dearly-1.321658

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hYv2QmCuuD1tLdoxlRUmjXuV42ag?docId=CNG.804c8a2e270849d9d62a88b90ff0681b.e1

[dre]

That's what they get for following the pipe dreams of Nazis and terrorists.

[DogOnPorch]

Islamic Jihad leader: Israel must be wiped out of existence

Organizers say up to 100,000 people attend largest Islamic Jihad rally in Gaza in several years; Hamas leader calls for unity against Israel.

[DogOnPorch]

Nazi.

Terrorist.

Laugh all you want. History is on my side.

[dre]

Nazi.

Terrorist.

Laugh all you want. History is on my side.

[DogOnPorch]

So what do you refer to them as?

[KeyStone]

When you say we, does that include you? If so, how do you balance that with your apology of Hamas war crimes?

Well, since you're going to be pulling the 'war crimes' card here, thus suggesting that international law and the will of the UN are relevant, I expect you to be consistent, and not dismiss the UN as irrelevant, and disregard international law as unreasonable in future discussions.

I will certainly explain my justification of 'war crimes', just as soon as you acknowledge that international law is relevant and should be adhered to, since that is the premise of your argument.

If on the other hand, you don't feel that international law or the UN are relevant, then there is really no need for me to defend the position.