Bill C-308 (Unemployment Insurance)

[Smallc]

So bloody what the mass of black holes does have a tendency to increase.

That doesn't make any since, since Toronto is a net contributor to everything in Canada. I would think that a very whiny Albertan such as yourself would appreciate that.

[nicky10013]

So bloody what the mass of black holes does have a tendency to increase.

Hahahah what about tone now? Does someone need a time out because they were proven wrong yet again?

[nicky10013]

That doesn't make any since, since Toronto is a net contributor to everything in Canada. I would think that a very whiny Albertan such as yourself would appreciate that.

The adult way to handle things, but that's not nearly as fun ahah.

[Alta4ever]

Hahahah what about tone now? Does someone need a time out because they were proven wrong yet again?

You proved me wrong? Where? All you proved was that the population in the toronto area is increasing, something I didn't disagree with.

[Alta4ever]

That doesn't make any since, since Toronto is a net contributor to everything in Canada. I would think that a very whiny Albertan such as yourself would appreciate that.

Did I say they didn't contribute something?

[Smallc]

Did I say they didn't contribute something?

Black hole....

[Alta4ever]

Black hole....

Even black holes contribute as they consume.

[nicky10013]

Even black holes contribute as they consume.

Keep digging.

[Alta4ever]

Keep digging.

Who's digging, black holes contribute gravity.

Still waiting to hear how you proved me wrong. When we were arguing about the population of toronto oh ya we weren't.

[msj]

360 hours is not much more than a month. It's about five weeks, in fact.

360 hours divided by 5 weeks equals 72 hours per week.

Yes, some people do work this many hours but I doubt that these people are going on EI all that often (well, if the price of oil goes down to $40/barrel then fine, they are going on EI).

A standard work week is 40 hours so we are talking about 9 weeks, "in fact."

Not that that makes it a good idea.

But lets face reality here folks: this is not about helping unemployed people.

It is about ensuring those seasonal industries continue to get a supply of labour.

If it wasn't for EI then these people would have to move to regions where they would have to work on a more regular basis and those regions that depend on seasonal labour would die or would have to pay the big bucks to get people to come in and work for a few months.

[nicky10013]

Who's digging, black holes contribute gravity.

Still waiting to hear how you proved me wrong. When we were arguing about the population of toronto oh ya we weren't.

No, I quite handily dispelled the notion that 5000 jobs on monster and job websites doesn't provide nearly enough jobs for the amount of unemployed. So, if people can't get jobs because they just don't exist, how can they be lazy if they're looking and earnestly can't find anything? You nicely deviated from that by solely concentrating on the fact that with that argument, I also demonstrated you lack an appreciation for a lack of scale, where population comes in.

You either didn't read my entire post, or you're avoiding actually discussing the points in my post because you think it'll make you look like a bigger fool by admitting your mistake. Unfortunately, with all this black hole garbage, that has been accomplished in spades.

[Alta4ever]

No, I quite handily dispelled the notion that 5000 jobs on monster and job websites doesn't provide nearly enough jobs for the amount of unemployed. So, if people can't get jobs because they just don't exist, how can they be lazy if they're looking and earnestly can't find anything? You nicely deviated from that by solely concentrating on the fact that with that argument, I also demonstrated you lack an appreciation for a lack of scale, where population comes in.

You either didn't read my entire post, or you're avoiding actually discussing the points in my post because you think it'll make you look like a bigger fool by admitting your mistake. Unfortunately, with all this black hole garbage, that has been accomplished in spades.

And I told you that was where the website quit counting, it showed on the main page 5000+. On the Torontojobs.ca site their are over 19,000 listings. Working.com 13,390. Workopolis.ca 8413. I am not searching the GTA just toronto. There is work, someone that can't earnestly find anything is not looking, or isn't willing to accept what is available.

[nicky10013]

And I told you that was where the website quit counting, it showed on the main page 5000+. On the Torontojobs.ca site their are over 19,000 listings. Working.com 13,390. Workopolis.ca 8413. I am not searching the GTA just toronto. There is work, someone that can't earnestly find anything is not looking, or isn't willing to accept what is available.

I'm also telling you that as a resident living in Toronto, the addresses a lot of those companies provide (trust me, I've searched and searched those job boards for ages) and a lot of them are outside of Toronto no matter how detailed your search is for just the 416.

Furthermore, not even counting residents of downtown Toronto, and not even counting the fact that most jobs are duplicated on all boards, those 40,000 jobs are enough for the 300,000 unemployed in the area? There are simply not enough jobs for all the people out there. Not even close. No matter how hard people look, there just can't be enough work for all of them. That's the underlying point in all of this. Or are they all still just lazy?

[nicky10013]

And I told you that was where the website quit counting, it showed on the main page 5000+. On the Torontojobs.ca site their are over 19,000 listings. Working.com 13,390. Workopolis.ca 8413. I am not searching the GTA just toronto. There is work, someone that can't earnestly find anything is not looking, or isn't willing to accept what is available.

Also, funny enough, not only will you not admit that in this economy that despite the basic math there isn't work for everyone, you also seem to be a liar.

Checked torontojobs.ca. Input the most basic search possible to get every single return (keyword - none; category - all; employment type - any type; period - any period). 387 jobs. Not 19,000. You have some explaining to do.

[msdogfood]

Really, there are over 5000 listed on monster.ca for toronto.

Like I said there is plenty of work.

it than depend on your work experience or qualifications.

[Alta4ever]

Also, funny enough, not only will you not admit that in this economy that despite the basic math there isn't work for everyone, you also seem to be a liar.

Checked torontojobs.ca. Input the most basic search possible to get every single return (keyword - none; category - all; employment type - any type; period - any period). 387 jobs. Not 19,000. You have some explaining to do.

basic math how about the difference before the recession 7.87% and during the worst of the recession 9.99% the unemployment rate moved just 2.12%. You are dishonestly proposing that before the recession there was no one with out work. So by your population figures those with out work rose by about 112,000 in an area of 5.6 million. But if we use real labour force numbers those numbers decline again the labour force in the GTA is about 4.5million 4.5*0.0212= 94,500 (btw stats can numbers on the labour force and unemployment rate for toronto).

As for the torontojobs.ca 50 results per page x 387 pages of results = 19350

Don't like that one here's Kijiji Current Matches (23897) http://toronto.kijiji.ca/f-jobs-W0QQCatIdZ45

I don't think it calls for drastically reducing the number of hours needed to claim EI

Edited September 27, 2010 by Alta4ever

[RNG]

I fought the Trudeau caused recession of 1980 and around there. It was terrible in Alberta. But there were jobs even through the worst of it. The biggest problem was the Joe Dork, who was making x$ per hour before wouldn't settle for x-1$ per hour. Well, tough titties for him. My son just got into the labour market then, fresh out of school, and had a great time. Took a job at a lesser rate and progressed way up really fast past all the bitch and moan types.

[dre]

Even black holes contribute as they consume.

Black holes can move matter between different times as well

In a "Schwarzschild" black hole (the kind that doesnt rotate) you reach infinite gravitation and nothing escapes the event horizon... matter is certain to collide with the singularity. But in a rotating "Kerr" black hole, matter can miss the event horizon and be spit back out in a another time... a billion years in future (for example).

Also according to Hawking black holes will eventually degrade and release all that matter over billions of years.

Edited September 27, 2010 by dre

[nicky10013]

basic math how about the difference before the recession 7.87% and during the worst of the recession 9.99% the unemployment rate moved just 2.12%. You are dishonestly proposing that before the recession there was no one with out work. So by your population figures those with out work rose by about 112,000 in an area of 5.6 million. But if we use real labour force numbers those numbers decline again the labour force in the GTA is about 4.5million 4.5*0.0212= 94,500 (btw stats can numbers on the labour force and unemployment rate for toronto).

As for the torontojobs.ca 50 results per page x 387 pages of results = 19350

Don't like that one here's Kijiji Current Matches (23897) http://toronto.kijiji.ca/f-jobs-W0QQCatIdZ45

I don't think it calls for drastically reducing the number of hours needed to claim EI

Where did I ever say that before the recession people were out of work? You invented that one. I was only coming to the defense of EI because there are more people unemployed than work available which you still won't admit which is funny because you proving the unemployed of the GTA went up by roughly 100,000 only proves my point further, which was never it was the recession's fault, just that people shouldn't be called lazy when they're not working because demand for work far outstrips supply.

As for torontojobs.ca, I think you've made a basic error. You said at 50 results a page there were 387 pages. I only had the results at 10 per page...and there were 387 "pages." You've clearly mixed up total jobs available and the number of pages. Why else would my number of jobs available and your number of pages be the exact same?

[nicky10013]

I fought the Trudeau caused recession of 1980 and around there. It was terrible in Alberta. But there were jobs even through the worst of it. The biggest problem was the Joe Dork, who was making x$ per hour before wouldn't settle for x-1$ per hour. Well, tough titties for him. My son just got into the labour market then, fresh out of school, and had a great time. Took a job at a lesser rate and progressed way up really fast past all the bitch and moan types.

In what kind of job?