Tories Promise New Law - Human Trafficking

[scribblet]

We certainly do need a law on human trafficking. Severe penalties for the ship owners and captains, ability for Canada to intercept a ship in international waters to turn it back and so on.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2010/09/05/15255096.html

OTTAWA – The federal government intends to tackle human smuggling and trafficking as one of its first orders of business when Parliament resumes later this month, QMI Agency has learned.

[Molly]

(Sarkozy/ Rom?)

[scribblet]

?????

[capricorn]

I may be wrong but I think the (Sarkozy/Rom?) post refers to the Roma situation in France.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he is “determined” to enforce new security rules making it easier to deport illegal immigrants and strip violent criminals with foreign origins of their French citizenship.

Sarkozy, who started a security blitz with a July 30 speech in the Alpine city of Grenoble, “reasserted his determination to have all his decisions adopted” by the Parliament in the coming weeks, according to an e-mailed statement today by his office in Paris. The French president came under criticism last month for deporting Roma people from Romania and Bulgaria -- both members of the European Union.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-06/sarkozy-determined-to-enforce-new-rules-on-deporting-illegal-immigrants.html

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It's high time a debate on how to deal with migrant ships makes it to the House.

[scribblet]

Yes it is time for reasoned debate, we should be able to debate the issue with the negative labelling.

[msdogfood]

Yes it is time for reasoned debate, we should be able to debate the issue with the negative labelling.

The PMO may get new penalty's for Human Trafficking it self.

I dont think he will get anymore than that if he treys he Will Not get reelected

The CPC will have permanently bad PR to.!!!

[scribblet]

The PMO may get new penalty's for Human Trafficking it self.

I dont think he will get anymore than that if he treys he Will Not get reelected

The CPC will have permanently bad PR to.!!!

And this has - what - to do with the subject !

[Hazeleyes]

We certainly do need a law on human trafficking. Severe penalties for the ship owners and captains, ability for Canada to intercept a ship in international waters to turn it back and so on.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2010/09/05/15255096.html

So if you pay an exorbinant amount to someone to get you out of the country and you arrive here on the deck of a ship having suffered months of hardship getting here you obviously aren't a refugee. I am not sure there is a legitimate people carrier that caters to refugees, it sounds like a niche market.

[Molly]

?????

Sarkozy is in deep doo with his electorate, and in a feeble, transparent attempt to change the subject, has chosen to take his troubles out on those awful, terrible Rom.

The strategy is painfully familiar.

Hazeleyes, well said.

[Hazeleyes]

So if you pay an exorbinant amount to someone to get you out of the country and you arrive here on the deck of a ship having suffered months of hardship getting here you obviously aren't a refugee. I am not sure there is a legitimate people carrier that caters to refugees, it sounds like a niche market.

After the vietnam war thousands of refugees fleeing vietnam were welconed in the US and Canada. For the most part they were assimilated into our economy, their refugee status was never in doubt and they came by boat - in fact so many came by boat that the press referred to them as "boat people". I am an immigrant to this country my family went through the immigration process which my dad started in August 1963. We entered canada 2.5 months later in October. Now I understand that it could take years to process a claim which I think leads people, especially desparate people to skirt the rules and to find shortcuts. So rather than more draconian enforcement perhaps we should put more resources into speeding up the system.

[msdogfood]

And this has - what - to do with the subject !

in terms of any new legal power the only thing the PMO will be able to get is more types of penalty's

he will not get anything else!!

[msdogfood]

Sarkozy is in deep doo with his electorate, and in a feeble, transparent attempt to change the subject, has chosen to take his troubles out on those awful, terrible Rom.

The strategy is painfully familiar.

Hazeleyes, well said.

so true!

[William Ashley]

so true!

All you need to do is sink one of the boats to send a clear message to the others.

(This is a sick and twisted joke and I apologize, but what would they do if the Sinahelse were on the boat and they had the option to sink it?)

Really though what is wrong with more tamils? My immigration strategy deals with potential issues of immigration in a responsible and mature way that reduces harm.

http://williamashley.info/SOCIAL/SP/immigration.htm

Clearly Canada is a large country with lots of land. We need to implement both an open immigration policy backed with provincial and municipal control of immigration to developed areas. The federal government meanwhile should implement constructiv measures to develope the rest of the country.

We all deserve to live a full life, borders are just illusions of evil. We must be able to find a peaceful middle ground.

OH and yeah the tamils already here might not like it - connect them with the communities in their area - I'm geussing it will just be one of those processess.

The laws do need to change, but not to exclude or turn away people, but rather to implement a system that lets in the maximum number of immigrants.

Edited September 7, 2010 by William Ashley

[Shakeyhands]

All you need to do is sink one of the boats to send a clear message to the others.

(This is a sick and twisted joke and I apologize, but what would they do if the Sinahelse were on the boat and they had the option to sink it?)

Very Forgotten Rebel'ish of you.

[scribblet]

So if you pay an exorbinant amount to someone to get you out of the country and you arrive here on the deck of a ship having suffered months of hardship getting here you obviously aren't a refugee. I am not sure there is a legitimate people carrier that caters to refugees, it sounds like a niche market.

If you pay an exorbitant amount then obviously you are not as destitute or in need of help all that much. They do this because it's an end run around a system, an immediate entry into a welfare state. It makes fools of legitimate refugees and immigrants.

[Keepitsimple]

If you pay an exorbitant amount then obviously you are not as destitute or in need of help all that much. They do this because it's an end run around a system, an immediate entry into a welfare state. It makes fools of legitimate refugees and immigrants.

These people have documents. If they've got money, why not hop on a plane and choose any other country? Why get on a boat to come all the way to Canada? Because life is easy here - that's why......and once these "refugees" are settled, they can head back home for vacation. The scenario plays out far too many times.

[fellowtraveller]

If you pay an exorbitant amount then obviously you are not as destitute or in need of help all that much. They do this because it's an end run around a system, an immediate entry into a welfare state. It makes fools of legitimate refugees and immigrants.

That is simply not true. Your personal financial postion has little bearing on your status as a refugee. Having a few bucks in Sri Lanka, or access to credit, does not mean that you are not in serious danger.

They take the boat because with new airline regulations, they simply cannot get on an aircraft to Canada without proper passports and visas.

[Molly]

Prolly should be pointed out that the boat people aren't traffickers of humans. They are the humans being trafficked....

[eyeball]

So rather than more draconian enforcement perhaps we should put more resources into speeding up the system.

That would be too much like trying to prevent crime by stopping prohibition for the majority of Conservatives.

They always like to do things the hard way, they think it makes them look tougher or something.

[g_bambino]

They take the boat because with new airline regulations, they simply cannot get on an aircraft to Canada without proper passports and visas.

And yet, the vast majority of those seeking refugee status in this country, including those from Sri Lanka, show up at our airports.

[M.Dancer]

That is simply not true. Your personal financial postion has little bearing on your status as a refugee.

That is true. I know a fellow who is related to the Shah's wife and whose family fled after the Mullah's took over and a bloodbath of the aristicracy followed. While they had to abandon most of their wealth and land, they were able to leave with jewels and currency they smuggled out wqhich was not chump change. To this day they cannot go back because they would be executed.