bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Report Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) Protecting Our Children and Communities. http://www.robfordformayor.ca/issues/ 100 additional frontline police officers will be hired giving Toronto Police enough new officers to: o Protect Children in Schools. 30 additional School Resource Officers will double the number of schools protected by this successful program. By introducing police officers to youth in a positive environment, students are less likely to take a negative view of police and more likely to seek help for issues before they reach a violent stage. o Target Gangs, Guns & Violence in More Communities. 70 additional frontline officers will support an expansion of the successful Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy (TAVIS) targeting gangs and violence in priority neighborhoods year-round. This will more than double the number of officers currently available for TAVIS Rapid Response Teams. Funding for this initiative ($15 million per year) will not be taken from within the existing TPS budget. It represents additional funding in two phases. From 2014 onwards, funding will be in addition to current TPS resources and come from savings accrued through the reduction of City Council from 44 to 22 Councillors. Until Council is reduced in size, funding will be in addition to current TPS resources and come from a 0.1 per cent reduction in other (non-policing) city spending. Politicians will send more cops to schools. They want more tax dollars from the cake of weath. That means they admit the education system are even unable to make the kids to be good citizens. They are illustrating vavidly to the kids that power (or dictate) is much valuable than democracy. That is what Canadian politicians truely believe. ( http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16946&view=findpost&p=571293 ) Edited August 20, 2010 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 Dont worry as soon as these cops are on the payroll the city/municipality will turn them into tax collectors and theyll wind up doing traffic stops, and sitting at boat launches to make sure people have the Personal Pleasure Craft Operators Certification, because the City can make a mint on handing out fines, and real police work doesnt make them money. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 No kidding. Violators of the peace should just be sent off to rehabilitation facilities where they can clip the grass with scissors until they know how to be good comrades and citizens. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 No kidding. Violators of the peace should just be sent off to rehabilitation facilities where they can clip the grass with scissors until they know how to be good comrades and citizens. They "violators" sent out, they may not change to good citizens because: 1. The reason they do something wrong may caused by being bullied for long time and not able to change it with other way and no one can help him. 2. They schools and the laws define crime according to behavior, they don't care about the reason that cause the problem and they don't care about how to solve the problems by the root cause. 3. kids be punished can be more likely become anti-society because they think they are mis-treated. This will lead to create more crimes when they grow up, this might be what politicians want, because they can use this as a reason to hire more cops and take more tax dollars. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
ToadBrother Posted August 20, 2010 Report Posted August 20, 2010 Politicians will send more cops to schools. They want more tax dollars from the cake of weath. That means they admit the education system are even unable to make the kids to be good citizens. They are illustrating vavidly to the kids that power (or dictate) is much valuable than democracy. That is what Canadian politicians truely believe. ( http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16946&view=findpost&p=571836 ) I say we all chip in and buy bjre a ticket to China. Quote
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 Dont worry as soon as these cops are on the payroll the city/municipality will turn them into tax collectors and theyll wind up doing traffic stops, and sitting at boat launches to make sure people have the Personal Pleasure Craft Operators Certification, because the City can make a mint on handing out fines, and real police work doesnt make them money. And real police work can be much dangerous than bulling kids. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 I don't think we need more police in schools. What we need are more teachers and more qualified teachers, smaller classrooms and a better education system that challenges the kids in fields they are interested in. I was absolutely bored through most of my school life. I had little motivation to learn what was put on me. And when I was inspired by a class, I still did not do that well, but those moments I still remember over all else and have helped me up to this day. I considered myself a failure most of my life because I never had done well in school. In contrast I did go to college when I was 30. Graduated one course with honors, and the other I was .2 off from honors. The school classroom needs to be a garden of ideas and we need to make sure that when a kid is inspired by a certain thing, we should encourage the good behavior and help them. Tom wants to be an engineer or a scientists or an astronaut or a fireman... yes things change as time goes on and the kid might change focus as well to something else that is more to his liking and more suited for him. Sally wants to be a doctor or own/operate her own shop. Let's encourage them. The kids are always told what they are doing wrong and rarely told when they are doing right. If we start with a better education system, we can actually reduce the number of crimes committed by these kids when they grow into adults. If we start early we can really take control of the future and make it much much better. We have to give kids the ability to think for themselves but yet consider the collective that is the community. I don't see that happening. We have a school system that is breeding sheep. Kids feel better about themselves and then feel like they are making a difference if we help them to. We mold them in a better way a more sustainable way. Parenting here also is key. We rely so much on the public system to educate and tell our kids what is needed when the parents should also be taking a daily interest in their kids lives in regards to education and aspirations. We rely on the education system to grade our kids accordingly. If my son is bad in school I want to know why. If he is failing courses, why is that happening? How can it be fixed. The kid cannot do it alone, so we really need to change the approach of it all. I will also say that some children will/must be left behind. If we pass everyone when some don't deserve it, we encourage this kind of behavior and the kids do realize this early. Then they take advantage of it, knowing that they will be passed to the next grade every year without any reprocussions. Kids are our future, why not properly invest in them so they can take control of it for the better. /rant Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 What we need is teachers that actually want to help kids and not spend most of their time looking for more money, less work and after all these years they are still crying about mike harris, get over it and get back to work teaching and quit whinning how oppressed you are. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 I think you'd want to spend some time teaching before you say that kind of thing. Teachers want to help kids, this is why they become teachers in the first place. And with the current set up, kids don't respect any authority (especially in a class room) so they don't respect the teacher, and they don't learn a damn thing in school. Then we wonder why there is a problem with our kids? A cop policing the school halls is not going to change this mentality, it's going to do exactly the opposite of what they say its intentions are. * edit* Kids need some kind of structure and they do need to be brought into line. We took that ability away from the teachers which makes them the so called whiners. Their ability to administer the class has been taken away which gives the kids that freedom to be as disruptive as they please without many consequences. So why do we need the cops again? I had much respect for many of my teachers because they were not shy about throwing the banhammer down. Get out of my class, go see the principle. You are being disruptive, stop now or GTFO. I have seen it a couple times were the teacher gets quite pissed and turfs the kid out of the class for being a tool. The rest of us applauded and continued with the lesson at hand. When we do this we are already setting them up for failure. The classroom almost looks like a prison. Metal detectors, pat downs, locker searches, all this is will just make them feel like a criminal when the majority of them have done nothing wrong to begin with. I object 100% to having any police on a school property. Why do we need this, and how the hell did it come to this? Where have we failed as a society to facilitate this problem? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 What exactly do you think these police are for? They are there for a very positive purpose. Many youth are terrified of or hate police. Having them interact with the students every day is a great idea. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 I doubt it will be a positive experience for the kids. They seem to loath the cops and authority as it is, which is the reason they need cops in schools now. Irony? Having one in the school halls will not change that mentality one bit IMHO. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 I think you'd want to spend some time teaching before you say that kind of thing. Teachers want to help kids, this is why they become teachers in the first place. And with the current set up, kids don't respect any authority (especially in a class room) so they don't respect the teacher, and they don't learn a damn thing in school. Then we wonder why there is a problem with our kids? A cop policing the school halls is not going to change this mentality, it's going to do exactly the opposite of what they say its intentions are. * edit* Kids need some kind of structure and they do need to be brought into line. We took that ability away from the teachers which makes them the so called whiners. Their ability to administer the class has been taken away which gives the kids that freedom to be as disruptive as they please without many consequences. So why do we need the cops again? I had much respect for many of my teachers because they were not shy about throwing the banhammer down. Get out of my class, go see the principle. You are being disruptive, stop now or GTFO. I have seen it a couple times were the teacher gets quite pissed and turfs the kid out of the class for being a tool. The rest of us applauded and continued with the lesson at hand. When we do this we are already setting them up for failure. The classroom almost looks like a prison. Metal detectors, pat downs, locker searches, all this is will just make them feel like a criminal when the majority of them have done nothing wrong to begin with. I object 100% to having any police on a school property. Why do we need this, and how the hell did it come to this? Where have we failed as a society to facilitate this problem? Your edit is spot on..I had this discussion wiht my stepson's principle last March after he had been in an"incident"...She said the biggest problem is that there is no fear of the strap anymore and they teachers are legally bound to soft pedal issues to keep from hurting the childs feelngs instead of dealing with them directly...Needless to say,she was very frusterated... Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 I doubt it will be a positive experience for the kids. They seem to loath the cops and authority as it is, which is the reason they need cops in schools now. Irony? Having one in the school halls will not change that mentality one bit IMHO. That's not what school resource officers are for. They aren't there to punish and investigate (unless there is something very serious). They're there to form relationships with the students and to foster understanding. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 Your edit is spot on..I had this discussion wiht my stepson's principle last March after he had been in an"incident"...She said the biggest problem is that there is no fear of the strap anymore and they teachers are legally bound to soft pedal issues to keep from hurting the childs feelngs instead of dealing with them directly...Needless to say,she was very frusterated... I have an aunt who is a retired teacher (high school) and now tutors privately. I also have a cousin who is a grade school teacher and has expressed some frustration with the ability to administer a large class. According to her, she is only to have 22 kids in her class maximum (some legislation in Ontario states this from her information) but it looks like she will have over 30. She can give better attention and specific attention to 22 kids, but is spreading herself thin with 30 kids. Also another comment to PIK: A Schoolteachers job does not stop when the kids go home. I am fine with a teacher having a summer off because many of them put in 10-12 hour days for months on end. And then a great deal of them go home to take care of their own families. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 What are you doing? To make it topic friendly. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
g_bambino Posted August 20, 2010 Report Posted August 20, 2010 To make it topic friendly. Oh, you're censoring. The Chairman would be proud. Quote
bloodyminded Posted August 20, 2010 Report Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) What are you doing? This is the most cogent post here, as of yet. Edited August 20, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bjre Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Posted August 20, 2010 Oh, you're censoring. The Chairman would be proud. Shall I do it again? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
P. McGee Posted August 21, 2010 Report Posted August 21, 2010 Shall I do it again? Was it worth the fifteen minutes of copying and pasting? Maybe the topic you wanted to talk about has played itself out. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 What the hell happened to this thread??????????? Quote
g_bambino Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 What the hell happened to this thread??????????? Beijing ordered that it be cleansed, for the happiness benefit of the glorious People's Republic. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 Shall I do it again? Seriously, what have you done to this thread? You have obviously altered the whole thread. To what end? Out with it. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 It never happened. Your families will be billed for the 'modify' function. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
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