Torontaunamo

[eyeball]

So it's the organizers fault that these cowards are smashing windows and destroying Toronto? Ok I see it now. So according to you the violent protesters aren't to blame at all. It's all the organizers and Police officers fault.

Not all just mostly. It still takes two to Tango.

That's pathetic. If these thugs weren't smashing windows everything would be fine. I hope they use the video coverage and arrest many of these so called anarchists. I'd like to learn if they work for a living or just collect welfare.

I would have thought you'd be more interested in their sexual orientation. Speaking of which aren't you supposed to be at a parade or something right now?

[Argus]

Yeah, that's...so surprising.

It would make a lot of people happy. Nobody likes these vermin. People get a visceral reaction to a pack of jackals dressed in black masks setting things on fire and smashing things just because they can. Don't tell me that if a bus load of riot cops screeched to a stop next to these guys as they were smashing windows, and the cops came out wacking heads with their batons, people across the country wouldn't have had the same fist in the air reaction as when the home team scores a big goal because they WOULD have.

Frankly, I don't see why our society has to tolerate groups like the "black block". They ought to be infiltrated, identified, rounded up, and shipped off to a labour camp. Probably be the first and only time in their miserable lives the scum put in any productive work.

[Argus]

No, I'd be wondering who the idiot was that concluded hosting this provocative summit in the biggest city in Canada was a good idea.

Where would you have held it? The fact they need a venue which can accomodate a couple of thousand people pretty much limits it to largish cities. I recall someone in the local media remarking that Ottawa wouldn't have been able to host this because we don't have a big enough convention centre - though the one we have is being expanded.

[Argus]

Not all just mostly. It still takes two to Tango.

That's an interesting cliché to use in such a completely improper way.

Do you honestly think that the black block would simply not do anything without police there? My understanding is they look for large crowds of protestors so they can commit violence with relative impunity. The abscence of police merely encourages them to commit MORE violence. Instead of setting fire to cars they'd be setting fire to buildings.

[Mr.Canada]

Not all just mostly. It still takes two to Tango.

I would have thought you'd be more interested in their sexual orientation. Speaking of which aren't you supposed to be at a parade or something right now?

There were no police present when the black bloc was smashing windows on Yonge St. So how exactly was the police to blame? Explain please.

Explain how police standing downtown are to blame for thugs smashing windows and vandalizing property. Are the "anarchists" to blame at all or is it someone else's fault?

Please expand your views.

[Molly]

Frankly, I don't see why our society has to tolerate groups like the "black block". They ought to be infiltrated, identified, rounded up, and shipped off to a labour camp.

That's ...oxymoronic.

[eyeball]

Where would you have held it? The fact they need a venue which can accomodate a couple of thousand people pretty much limits it to largish cities. I recall someone in the local media remarking that Ottawa wouldn't have been able to host this because we don't have a big enough convention centre - though the one we have is being expanded.

A cruise ship.

[eyeball]

There were no police present when the black bloc was smashing windows on Yonge St. So how exactly was the police to blame? Explain please.

Explain how police standing downtown are to blame for thugs smashing windows and vandalizing property. Are the "anarchists" to blame at all or is it someone else's fault?

Please expand your views.

The fault here lies with the organizers of the summit. By this point the police, protesters, store owners and the people of Toronto are, more or less the victims of a really stupid idea, which was holding the summit in Toronto in the first place.

[eyeball]

That's an interesting cliché to use in such a completely improper way.

Do you honestly think that the black block would simply not do anything without police there? My understanding is they look for large crowds of protestors so they can commit violence with relative impunity. The abscence of police merely encourages them to commit MORE violence. Instead of setting fire to cars they'd be setting fire to buildings.

My understanding is that the large crowds of protesters are looking for tiny groups of leaders. If they'd put the leaders on a cruise ship or a small isolated island none of this would have ever happened.

[CrazeeEddie]

Damned if the do and damned if they don't. I hope these black bloc scum get their heads bashed in by the police officers. Bunch of cowards. I wonder who and what group funds these people to travel the world protesting. I'm sure many people would like to know who funds these cowards.

But you've answered your own question already......

[CrazeeEddie]

It would make a lot of people happy. Nobody likes these vermin. People get a visceral reaction to a pack of jackals dressed in black masks setting things on fire and smashing things just because they can. Don't tell me that if a bus load of riot cops screeched to a stop next to these guys as they were smashing windows, and the cops came out wacking heads with their batons, people across the country wouldn't have had the same fist in the air reaction as when the home team scores a big goal because they WOULD have.

Frankly, I don't see why our society has to tolerate groups like the "black block". They ought to be infiltrated, identified, rounded up, and shipped off to a labour camp. Probably be the first and only time in their miserable lives the scum put in any productive work.

These people are more than likely the police themselves. Wouldn't be the first time now would it?

[CrazeeEddie]

There were no police present when the black bloc was smashing windows on Yonge St.

That we know of, I bet there was a bigger presence than you think.... it was an oddly calculated and controlled riot eh? And funny how that seems to have been the only place there was no presence, each and every time... but hey, at least a few cop cars got conveniently burned, and then put on display....

of course, then we had the official police presence rounding up peaceful protesters in Queen's Park... weird how that all worked out....

I can't wait until the full story comes out....

[Mr.Canada]

The fault here lies with the organizers of the summit. By this point the police, protesters, store owners and the people of Toronto are, more or less the victims of a really stupid idea, which was holding the summit in Toronto in the first place.

So you place no blame on the anarchists who are the ones who months in advance planned to "cause shit" during the G20. They planned it for months in advance on several websites. Yet you place no blame on them at all? So people are not responsible for their actions in your words. Perhaps you're funding this group.

[CrazeeEddie]

So you place no blame on the anarchists who are the ones who months in advance planned to "cause shit" during the G20. They planned it for months in advance on several websites. Yet you place no blame on them at all? So people are not responsible for their actions in your words. Perhaps you're funding this group.

If we knew which ones were anarchists, and which ones were paid for by our tax dollars, it might be easier to lay blame. However, in the end, despite everyone in the city of Toronto pleading for it to be held somewhere else, Harper holds it right downtown Toronto. Great call Stephen! If Toronto didn't hate the Tories before, they're done now.....

[Mr.Canada]

If we knew which ones were anarchists, and which ones were paid for by our tax dollars, it might be easier to lay blame. However, in the end, despite everyone in the city of Toronto pleading for it to be held somewhere else, Harper holds it right downtown Toronto. Great call Stephen! If Toronto didn't hate the Tories before, they're done now.....

Where should they have held it?

Keep in mind that that wherever you hold it has to be able to seat several thousand people plus sleeping quarters for the governments, aides, media etc.

See the problem is with the violent protesters not the meeting. You need to stop trying to blame the government, police et el and place the blame on the people who are destroying things. Many of these violent protesters aren't even from Canada but they come here to cause trouble.

We are each responsible for our own actions.

[Borg]

Freeze you Eastern bastards! Takes on a whole new meaning in a police state doesn't it?

Is the spectacle unfolding in Torontaunamo a clue to what crackin' down and gettin' tough on crime will look like? It sounds like it if the budgets being projected for doing so are any indication.

Toronto - one of the nicest places in Canada - pretty much strictly defined by garbage, crime, an excess of low quality folks and of course - traffic

Everything that happens there is well and truly deserved

Borg

[CrazeeEddie]

See the problem is with the violent protesters not the meeting. You need to stop trying to blame the government, police et el and place the blame on the people who are destroying things. Many of these violent protesters aren't even from Canada but they come here to cause trouble.

We are each responsible for our own actions.

I am laying blame with the police for a reason. There are MANY stories here in the big city about the possibility of certain plain clothes 'officers' inciting the riots, starting the fires, etc. Once again, being here, in Toronto, I find it very funny that each and every time the 'Black Bloc' was up to their antics, the police were nowhere to be found. Where were they? Arresting peaceful protesters of course. I'll say it again, this is one of the most convenient, peaceful and well organised riots I've ever seen.... makes one wonder....

[CrazeeEddie]

Toronto - one of the nicest places in Canada - pretty much strictly defined by garbage, crime, an excess of low quality folks and of course - traffic

Everything that happens there is well and truly deserved

Borg

Speaking as someone who has lived in San Antonio, Detroit, Ottawa, Windsor, London, Edmonton, and any number of smaller communities across Canada, I want to thank you for having no clue what you're talking about

The only one I'll give you is Traffic, and maybe if Toronto kept some of the millions and millions of dollars we give to the rest of this country that loves us so much, we could fix that problem too

[g_bambino]

I want to thank you for having no clue what you're talking about...

You'll find that isn't uncommon with Borg's drive-by commentary.

[Mr.Canada]

I am laying blame with the police for a reason. There are MANY stories here in the big city about the possibility of certain plain clothes 'officers' inciting the riots, starting the fires, etc. Once again, being here, in Toronto, I find it very funny that each and every time the 'Black Bloc' was up to their antics, the police were nowhere to be found. Where were they? Arresting peaceful protesters of course. I'll say it again, this is one of the most convenient, peaceful and well organised riots I've ever seen.... makes one wonder....

So now you claim that this is a conspiracy theory? Lol, ok. The anarchist group S.O.A.R has been planning this for months. You can read forum posts on google from months ago stating what they're planning to do. Try searching it.

By the way your toaster has a message for you.

Also to these anarchists, you should go live in Somalia. They have anarchy there now in Mogadishu. Go and see what living in anarchy is really like. No welfare cheques for one.

Edited June 27, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Leafless]

These cowards have no respect for property or authority and deserve what they get. I want to see lots of them bleeding and hospitalized, that would make me very happy.

I wish the same fate on manufacturers, corporations and banks who fleece tax payers and investors, one way or the other, out of billions of dollars.

The recent HST goes to Ontario manufacturers to upgrade THEIR manufacturing equipment to make them more efficient, a problem they knew about for years but never acted on it. Now tax payers are stuck with THEIR very costly problem.

So what if violent protesters caused a couple of hundred thousand dollars in damages. This is nothing compared to what manufacturers, corporations and banks cost Canadians.

Maybe Harper should have hosted a G20 video conference.

[eyeball]

So you place no blame on the anarchists who are the ones who months in advance planned to "cause shit" during the G20. They planned it for months in advance on several websites. Yet you place no blame on them at all? So people are not responsible for their actions in your words.

I did say it takes two to tango, scroll back up the page a bit and see for yourself. Of course the anarchists are also at fault.

Perhaps you're funding this group.

No, I'm funding the other side, against my will I might add.

[eyeball]

Where should they have held it?

A CRUISE SHIP.

[Mr.Canada]

A CRUISE SHIP.

That's a silly idea and it leaves them wide open to a variety of attacks that cannot be escaped from. They need to have control over the environment, at sea they do not. Way to many variables. Plus, you are of the opinion that putting 20 of the worlds most powerful leaders onto the same ship is the best idea?

I can tell you right now the secret service would never agree to this and when it comes to the Presidents safety it's up to them not the President. It's the Secret Service who inspect the area before the President arrives.

I'm sure the other countries take similar precautions.

Edited June 29, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Shwa]

That's a silly idea and it leaves them wide open to a variety of attacks that cannot be escaped from. They need to have control over the environment, at sea they do not. Way to many variables. Plus, you are of the opinion that putting 20 of the worlds most powerful leaders onto the same ship is the best idea?

I can tell you right now the secret service would never agree to this and when it comes to the Presidents safety it's up to them not the President. It's the Secret Service who inspect the area before the President arrives.

I'm sure the other countries take similar precautions.

How about Antartica then? They could build this giant ice palace - a Fortress of Solitude if you will - and then call it the "Super" G20 Summit. Heck, they could even build it on a summit of one of those Antarctic moutains!

You could probably build the whole thing for less than a billion and imagine all the economic benefits for Antarctica. I hear that is one continent that could use the stimulus. Just not the global warming kind.