Oleg Bach Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 That video is not from the Gaza war. It's a video from years ago being re-used as propaganda to justify Israel's attack on ambulances and hospitals. There is no concrete evidence that this was done. They should pull up some Holocaust footage and play it-- with a narration stating that all they do is justified. Quote
Argus Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 That video is not from the Gaza war. It's a video from years ago being re-used as propaganda to justify Israel's attack on ambulances and hospitals. There is no concrete evidence that this was done. There are other videos, and one would have to be a fool to conclude that these things are captured on video more than a fraction of the times they take place. So we know that the Palestinians DO use ambulances for military purposes. Unless it's your contention that Hamas have more ethics and values than is the normal course for such people, I think we are safe in concluding this still goes on, and thus the Israelis are justified in stopping and searching ambulances. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 (edited) One comment by one or two people is not evidence that something did happen. Close to 200 people were interviewed. Hamas using amb for transport My linkwww.al-ghoul.com/grand_theft_auto.htm My link IN fact there are 53900 more examples of Hamas using ambulances as troop transports...just goggle it "hamas using ambulances to transport troops" Slightly above 200 hamas tricks of the trade My link Edited June 8, 2010 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Posted June 8, 2010 There are other videos, Show me these other videos. You and others have posted this video, pretending that it's from the Gaza attack. You realize that you've damaged your already bad reputation of lying and deceit. How far will you go to try to justify atrocities? Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
bloodyminded Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Show me these other videos. You and others have posted this video, pretending that it's from the Gaza attack. You realize that you've damaged your already bad reputation of lying and deceit. How far will you go to try to justify atrocities? You don't actually think there is some limit, do you? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Shady Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 You don't actually think there is some limit, do you? There's definitely no limit to the truth. Hamas is a terrorist organiaztion, that's very frequently broken international rules and laws on a regular basis. But in your world, Hamas can do no wrong. It's quite bizarre. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 There's definitely no limit to the truth. Hamas is a terrorist organiaztion, that's very frequently broken international rules and laws on a regular basis. But in your world, Hamas can do no wrong. It's quite bizarre. I think Hamas has done plenty wrong, to the Israelis and to the Palestinians themselves. You're the one being one-sided. I mean...you actually brought up the breaking of international rules and laws...as a point to support Israel? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Posted June 8, 2010 There's definitely no limit to the truth. Hamas is a terrorist organiaztion, that's very frequently broken international rules and laws on a regular basis. But in your world, Hamas can do no wrong. It's quite bizarre. Are you sure you want to talk about violations of international rules and laws? Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
Bonam Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Are you sure you want to talk about violations of international rules and laws? Obviously not with you since you endlessly dwell on any minor violation Israel might commit while utterly ignoring the countless crimes perpetrated by the Palestinians, their rulers, and their Arab neighbors. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 I adore God believing Jews...I really am not inclined to respect Jews that are atheistic Zionists...Zionist usually dislike God believing Jews..Because those that believe in the authority of God will not submit to the will of secular Zionists..once you give up God you are no longer a Jew...so the problem we have is not with the upholders of GOD and goodness but with those who have upsurped God. Quote
Army Guy Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 I was doing some checking on good restaurants in gaza and found a few. in the travel section ..... what i found interesting was this restaurant comments... By far the most expensive up-scale restaurant in Gaza, Roots is where important people dine on steak au poivre and chicken cordon bleu, though, since alcohol isn't served, there's no washing it down with a good vintage of anything other than Coke. Owner Basil Eleiwa and partners sunk US$1.1 million into the place, which has a nice outdoor area for evening dining, and incorporates the Green Terrace Café, serving sandwiches, mezze and light lunches all day long in less formal surroundings. All of this and a severe food crises going on, is the ad full of shit, or what gives.... The UN's Food & Agriculture Organization says 61% of the territory's residents are "food insecure," while the UN relief agency for Palestinian refugees UNRWA (United Nations Relief & Works Agency) says 80% of households rely on food aid. UNRWA says When i was putting myself through school i was "food insecure, thank god for Kraft dinner.... Read more: http://www.financialpost.com/todays-paper/Policy+under+siege+agencies+Israel+Gaza+blockade+worsening+conditions/3115315/story.html#ixzz0qIEy2IS9 The Financial Post is now on Facebook. Join our fan community today. My linkwww.lonelyplanet.com/ Water crises....but enough to fill this olypic size pool in gaza .....not enough to drink but enough to swim in.... My linkspktruth2power. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 (edited) double post. Edited June 8, 2010 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Posted June 8, 2010 Obviously not with you since you endlessly dwell on any minor violation Israel might commit while utterly ignoring the countless crimes perpetrated by the Palestinians, their rulers, and their Arab neighbors. Minor? You are obviously not interested in the truth. You haven't been since the first post I saw from you. Remind me when you are going to talk about facts and not fiction. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Posted June 8, 2010 I was doing some checking on good restaurants in gaza and found a few. in the travel section ..... what i found interesting was this restaurant comments... All of this and a severe food crises going on, is the ad full of shit, or what gives.... When i was putting myself through school i was "food insecure, thank god for Kraft dinner.... Read more: http://www.financialpost.com/todays-paper/Policy+under+siege+agencies+Israel+Gaza+blockade+worsening+conditions/3115315/story.html#ixzz0qIEy2IS9 The Financial Post is now on Facebook. Join our fan community today. My linkwww.lonelyplanet.com/ Water crises....but enough to fill this olypic size pool in gaza .....not enough to drink but enough to swim in.... My linkspktruth2power. So Army Guy, with his few photos and links is basically saying that: - UN Aid program - Amnesty International - HRW - Red Cross - Justice Richard Goldstone - Numerous Israeli human rights organizations Are ALL lying about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Thanks for jumping on board the Israeli Propaganda machine. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
Bonam Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Remind me when you are going to talk about facts and not fiction. If you're so interested in facts and not fiction perhaps you'd like to stop posting under your fictional assumed identity, dub. Quote
Army Guy Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Show me these other videos.You and others have posted this video, pretending that it's from the Gaza attack. You realize that you've damaged your already bad reputation of lying and deceit. How far will you go to try to justify atrocities? Honestly do you think that the other 53,000 links provided by goggle are all from the same tape....have you check any of them.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bloodyminded Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 So Army Guy, with his few photos and links is basically saying that: - UN Aid program - Amnesty International - HRW - Red Cross - Justice Richard Goldstone - Numerous Israeli human rights organizations Are ALL lying about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Well, as you know, the first four are all radical leftists, and the last two are a bunch of self-hating Jews. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Posted June 8, 2010 If you're so interested in facts and not fiction perhaps you'd like to stop posting under your fictional assumed identity, dub. Okay. I admit that I am this dub person and I have assumed another identity. In fact, I will admit to being whoever you two are accusing me to be. Now what? Will this get you and Dancer to start responding to comments instead of trying to get out of replying to facts? tell me about these 'Minor' violations of international law. What makes them so 'Minor'? Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Posted June 8, 2010 Honestly do you think that the other 53,000 links provided by goggle are all from the same tape....have you check any of them.... Honesty, Army Guy: Have you looked at the 575 page report by Richard Goldstone? It's quite extensive. What about the information from Amnesty International? Human Rights Watch? Numerous Israeli Rights organizations? If I didn't think that you were here as part of the propaganda machine that tries to justify Israeli atrocities and were actually interested in talking about facts, then I would post information from the 575 page report. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
Army Guy Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 So Army Guy, with his few photos and links is basically saying that:- UN Aid program - Amnesty International - HRW - Red Cross - Justice Richard Goldstone - Numerous Israeli human rights organizations Are ALL lying about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Thanks for jumping on board the Israeli Propaganda machine. How do you explain a 5 star restaurant recently opened up with it's owner manging to pour in 1.1 million US dollars into this new bussness venture in the middle of a "declared food crisses"....the owner is either retarded, or lacks any bussiness sense....unless thier is a customer base to support this new venture.... Lets get sensiable here a severe food crises is not what we are seeing here not when so many othr nations in the world face real food crises...there may be a shortage And the new oylimpic size pool in a city with severe water shortages come on....can you explain that... So it's not that i jumped on the band wagon....These people and thier terrorist masters are very skilled at bending the media and people like yourself into thinking they are the victims here....open your eyes...on does not open a massive pool in a water crisies....nor do they open 5 star restaurants.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Your talking to a guy who has done a few tours in this very area, albiet many years ago, but nothing has changed here, not the people, not the tactics, nothing....And i'm not taking one side or the other trust me when i say i seen both sides do exactly the same thing.....what i refuse to do is pin the blame on just one side here....in your case the Israelis....bad evil little bastards....but if you wanted to be taken seriously you should post all the shit that has happened from all sides of the conflict.... This conflict will stop when one of 3 things happen Israel or palistine cease to exist or the other middle east countries come to grips that Israel is not going any where....and learn to live with each other....and every body knows that is not going to happen...so 100 years from now a new group of psoters will be having the same argument.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bloodyminded Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 How do you explain a 5 star restaurant recently opened up with it's owner manging to pour in 1.1 million US dollars into this new bussness venture in the middle of a "declared food crisses"....the owner is either retarded, or lacks any bussiness sense....unless thier is a customer base to support this new venture.... Lets get sensiable here a severe food crises is not what we are seeing here not when so many othr nations in the world face real food crises...there may be a shortage And the new oylimpic size pool in a city with severe water shortages come on....can you explain that... So it's not that i jumped on the band wagon....These people and thier terrorist masters are very skilled at bending the media and people like yourself into thinking they are the victims here....open your eyes...on does not open a massive pool in a water crisies....nor do they open 5 star restaurants.... There are filthy rich Haitians running expensive service businesses too. And Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world. Every society has its rich elites. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Posted June 8, 2010 How do you explain a 5 star restaurant recently opened up I don't really know when it opened or when those photos were taken. If this restaurant is in fact open and operating, the food is being smuggled through the many tunnels. There is, however, . How recent do you think that video is and how recent is the web site made?At the bottom of the web site, it says: 2008, RootsClub.Ps So anyway, how do you explain all these organizations and international experts who say there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza? I don't trust Israeli propaganda. They will go to any length to falsify information. They censor and manipulate information. I just don't see why the following organizations, who are in the Gaza strip would lie: - UN Aid program - Amnesty International - HRW - Red Cross - Justice Richard Goldstone - Numerous Israeli human rights organizations Is the outdated web site your response to these organizations? Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
bloodyminded Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Your talking to a guy who has done a few tours in this very area, albiet many years ago, but nothing has changed here, not the people, not the tactics, nothing....And i'm not taking one side or the other trust me when i say i seen both sides do exactly the same thing.....what i refuse to do is pin the blame on just one side here....in your case the Israelis....bad evil little bastards....but if you wanted to be taken seriously you should post all the shit that has happened from all sides of the conflict.... i would take this seriously, except that there are numerous pro-Israeli arguments here which claim, explicitly, that everything Israel does--I mean everything--is justified; that the conflict IS one-sided, with Israel as the good guys in every instance. In fact, unlike most of the defenders of the Palestinians, the defenders of Israel more often fall back on crude jokes about the Palestinians, and openly mock their suffering, and frequently resort to the anti-Arab racism which is about as normal as the air we breathe.... ...and you have nothing whatsoever to say to any of them. Ever. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Posted June 8, 2010 This conflict will stop when one of 3 things happen Israel or palistine cease to exist or the other middle east countries come to grips that Israel is not going any where....and learn to live with each other....and every body knows that is not going to happen...so 100 years from now a new group of psoters will be having the same argument.... Why isn't one of your options for all parties, including Israel to follow international law? Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.