Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) You're either part of this country,or you're not...If you choose to be in this country,please understand how things are done. If you choose not to be,in my estimation,you're traitor,and should be dealt with as such... If you would wish to join your libertarian friends in Montana,please feel free to do so. If you want to try and start your idiotic idea of Cascadia,or try to secede...My sincerest hope is that you are on the business end of a bayonette,or are hanging on the end of a rope... Really...... I think you have far more issues then I, I suggest you see a therapist. Is that clear enough for you? Why the hell should you decide what Alberta's role and place in confederation, it is for the people of Alberta to decide how we fit into Canada. This is our province, our home, our culture, our legacy and who do you think you are to dictate to us? Back off. You hate Alberta, and Albertans since you want to hang us. I wonder what are your veiws on Quebec? Do you want to hang everyone that does not share your political views? How very totalitarian of you. Edited June 1, 2010 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 It was changed in 82 to keep the west under thumb. Just because parts of the constitution are right and just does not make the entire document correct. It was never as difficult to amend before 82 as it is afterwards. Trudeau made many mistakes, one was to make the document so inflexible, that we are doomed to fight regional battles that are unresolvable because they are entrenched in the constitution. Although I don't think you have enough experience yet to identify this. Oh yes, it's quite clear that the Constitution should simply reflect your wishes and the good of Alberta.....oh, I forgot this: The Constitution Act's from 1867 to present, (and many things before that) make up the Constitution of Canada. Alberta is only part of Canada. That's the way it is. If you want to leave then leave. Yes, Canada will lose money, but, as they say, don't let the door hit you on the way out. We'll make due, with or without you. Either Albertans are part of this country, or they're not. If you're not, do something about it. If you are, then realize that you're a part of this confederation, and as only one of 11 partners, you don't get to unilaterally dictate terms, whether you think something is yours or not. As for being biased against Alberta, no, I'm not, I'm biased against whiners of any kind, whether they be francophone or anglophone. Right now, the biggest whiners in Confederation happen to be from an anglophone western province. I'll let you guess which one it is. Quote
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Why the hell should you decide what Alberta's role and place in confederation is, it is for the people of Alberta to decide how we fit into Canada. This is our province, our home, our culture, our legacy and who do you think you are to dictate to us? Back off. No, and this is where you're wrong. The part does not get to dictate terms to the whole. As a partner, Alberta has a vote. They don't get to tell Canadians what is going to happen in Canada. Alberta is simply sovereign subnational entity like any other province. They cannot do things unilaterally. That was recognized by the Supreme Court and incorporated into the clarity act. In order for a province to even leave, it has to negotiate the terms with the members of Confederation. The funny thing is that without Confederation, Alberta wouldn't exist (nor would Saskatchewan) as it was in fact a creation of said Confederation. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Why the hell should you decide what Alberta's role and place in confederation is, it is for the people of Alberta to decide how we fit into Canada. This is our province, our home, our culture, our legacy and who do you think you are to dictate to us? Back off. Alberta is a province of this country,nothing more or less.It's place is in Confederation,just like Quebec's.The province belongs to the country of Canada. If you want stay ...Spectacular!Please live within the rules. If not... Well,a forced march of Albertan secessionists into the mountians where you can survive on Mountian Goat hide and moss,while YOUR "country" is gentrified sounds like a great idea to me... Or you could just go to Montana... This Eastern bastard could'nt care any less... Just make sure the oil,gas,and,cattle is to market on time. Edited June 1, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Alberta is a province of this country,nothing more or less.It's place is in Confederation,just like Quebec's.The province belongs to the country of Canada. If you want stay ...Spectacular!Please live within the rules. If not... Well,a forced march of Albertan secessionists into the mountians where you can survive on Mountian Goat hide and moss,while YOUR "country" is gentrified sounds like a great idea to me... Or you could just go to Montana... This Eastern bastard could'nt care any less... Just make sure the oil,gas,and,cattle is to market on time. Jack it is well within the rules for each province to define its place in confederation, each province has the ability to write its own constitution under confederation. I suggest you learn a little more about your country. Our do you think that any Albertan who wants Alberta to exercise these rights should be hung? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Jack it is well within the rules for each province to define its place in confederation, each province has the ability to write its own constitution under confederation. I suggest you learn a little more about your country. Our do you think that any Albertan who wants Alberta to exercise these rights should be hung? I think you're the one that needs to learn more about Canada. Any provincial constitution is overridden by the Constitution of Canada. One province cannot change the rules of the nation on its own. Edited June 1, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 No, and this is where you're wrong. The part does not get to dictate terms to the whole. As a partner, Alberta has a vote. They don't get to tell Canadians what is going to happen in Canada. Alberta is simply sovereign subnational entity like any other province. They cannot do things unilaterally. That was recognized by the Supreme Court and incorporated into the clarity act. In order for a province to even leave, it has to negotiate the terms with the members of Confederation. The funny thing is that without Confederation, Alberta wouldn't exist (nor would Saskatchewan) as it was in fact a creation of said Confederation. Oh but they do get to tell the ROC what is going to happen within the boarders of Alberta my friend its call the not with standing clause. I suggest you familiarize yourself with it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Oh but they do get to tell the ROC what is going to happen within the boarders of Alberta my friend its call the not with standing clause. I suggest you familiarize yourself with it. The notwithstanding clause cannot be used in all cases, as you in Alberta have already found out...and the notwithstanding clause does not apply forever. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Jack it is well within the rules for each province to define its place in confederation, each province has the ability to write its own constitution under confederation. I suggest you learn a little more about your country. Our do you think that any Albertan who wants Alberta to exercise these rights should be hung? Not at all.. You seem to be suggesting that Alberta should be able to do whatever it wants with what it has,irrespective of everyone else because it's Alberta and everyone else is'nt. What would be the point of writing it's own constitution,as it relates to the sharing of provincial revenues,other than to keep them for themselves? By the way,you're last sentence is right out of the "States Rights" arguement of the Confederate States of America...If that's the road you would like to go down,it's a road I'm quite prepared to take. Edited June 1, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 What would be the point of writing it's own constitution,as it relates to the sharing of provincial revenues,other than to keep them for themselves? A declaration of intent that we are no longer going to be kept under the Jack boot and will be respected as an equal partner in this confederation as every province should. Unlike now where some provinces are more equal then others. But I know this concept is foreign to you since you think that it is wise to hang those you perceive to have step out of line with your views of Alberta. Jack what type of ideology do you subscribe to since you want to have your political opponents at the end of a rope or bayonet? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 A declaration of intent that we are no longer going to be kept under the Jack boot and will be respected as an equal partner in this confederation as every province should. Unlike now where some provinces are more equal then others. If you think that, you're beyond delusional. Every province is Confederation is an equal partner. That seems to be what you don't like. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 A declaration of intent that we are no longer going to be kept under the Jack boot and will be respected as an equal partner in this confederation as every province should. Unlike now where some provinces are more equal then others. But I know this concept is foreign to you since you think that it is wise to hang those you perceive to have step out of line with your views of Alberta. Jack what type of ideology do you subscribe to since you want to have your political opponents at the end of a rope or bayonet? The ideology of wiping out secession... Know anything about Sherman's Neckties? How 'bout the War Measures Act circa October,1970? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Shakeyhands Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Our do you think that any Albertan who wants Alberta to exercise these rights should be hung? If you are talking seperating, I'm all in favour of that, for the BQ as well. Long overdue. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 If you think that, you're beyond delusional. Every province is Confederation is an equal partner. That seems to be what you don't like. Really define equal, we are forever attacked by Ont, Quebec, they even went as far as to attack us on the international stage in Copenhagen, yet they still want to reap the benefits of the resources. Our contributions to the country are diminished. Our sons and daughters are looked down upon as rubes and red necks by the ROC. Hell the prime minister in the nineties didn't even bother to stop in Calagry because there were no vote for him there, it was best to fly over. Our culture and yes we have one is not as valuable to Canada as the one in Quebec. Our way of life is constantly criticized by the ROC. We are not equal we are only the means to give the rest of Canada its entitlements. We are to be patronized to by Ontario and Ottawa. That is not equal. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Really define equal, we are forever attacked by Ont, Quebec, they even went as far as to attack us on the international stage in Copenhagen, yet they still want to reap the benefits of the resources. Our contributions to the country are diminished. Our sons and daughters are looked down upon as rubes and red necks by the ROC. Hell the prime minister in the nineties didn't even bother to stop in Calagry because there were no vote for him there, it was best to fly over. Our culture and yes we have one is not as valuable to Canada as the one in Quebec. Our way of life is constantly criticized by the ROC. We are not equal we are only the means to give the rest of Canada its entitlements. We are to be patronized to by Ontario and Ottawa. That is not equal. And that my friends, is the victim mentality in a nutshell. Only in the western world could the most privileged province in one of the most privileged countries see itself as being hard done by.....because people say mean things about them (because you know, an Albertan has never said a bad thing about Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba, Atlantic Canada, Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, etc, etc, etc,). Guess what....being equal doesn't close you to criticism...and believe it or not people can benefit from something while at the same time criticizing it. What you want is for Alberta to be more equal, above the other provinces. You want Alberta to be above criticism or even discussion. I can tell you that you aren't going to find many sympathizers among the provinces outside of Alberta. Canadians are tired of it, and they want part of it. As I said earlier in this thread, Canadians don't have patience for another province to play the games that Quebec did in the 80s and 90s. We're tired of it, whether it's coming from Alberta, or Quebec (and it's mostly coming from Alberta now). Oh, and stop with the ROC thing. What are you, a member of the PQ? Edited June 1, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Really define equal, we are forever attacked by Ont, Quebec, they even went as far as to attack us on the international stage in Copenhagen, yet they still want to reap the benefits of the resources. Our contributions to the country are diminished. Our sons and daughters are looked down upon as rubes and red necks by the ROC. Hell the prime minister in the nineties didn't even bother to stop in Calagry because there were no vote for him there, it was best to fly over. Our culture and yes we have one is not as valuable to Canada as the one in Quebec. Our way of life is constantly criticized by the ROC. We are not equal we are only the means to give the rest of Canada its entitlements. We are to be patronized to by Ontario and Ottawa. That is not equal. Cry me a river... You're so hard done by... You sound like a crybaby secessionist... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 If you are talking seperating, I'm all in favour of that, for the BQ as well. Long overdue. No I'm not, I've warned about it but don't want to it as we have the ability to be greater as a whole. Some idiots on this form, can't wrap their heads around the difference in warning of the result and the active advocacy for secession. Some idiots think that they should be hanging their political opponents. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 And that my friends, is the victim mentality in a nutshell. Only in the western world could the most privileged province in one of the most privileged countries see itself as being hard done by.....because people say mean things about them (because you know, an Albertan has never said a bad thing about Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba, Atlantic Canada, Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, etc, etc, etc,). Guess what....being equal doesn't close you to criticism...and believe it or not people can benefit from something while at the same time criticizing it. What you want is for Alberta to be more equal, above the other provinces. I can tell you that you aren't going to find many sympathizers among the provinces outside of Alberta. We're tired of it, whether it's coming from Alberta, or Quebec (and it's mostly coming from Alberta). Oh, and stop with the ROC thing. What are you, a member of the PQ? SPOT ON!!!!! QUIT COMPLAINING!!!!! We're not interested in your feeble greivances! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest TrueMetis Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Really define equal, we are forever attacked by Ont, Quebec, they even went as far as to attack us on the international stage in Copenhagen, yet they still want to reap the benefits of the resources. Oh poor you. You live in one of the richest provinces in Canada quit complaining. We are not equal we are only the means to give the rest of Canada its entitlements. Alberta isn't the only province that is a net contributor to equalization payments, the rest of us just don't bitch so much. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 No I'm not, I've warned about it but don't want to it as we have the ability to be greater as a whole. Some idiots on this form, can't wrap their heads around the difference in warning of the result and the active advocacy for secession. Some idiots think that they should be hanging their political opponents. You can warn all you want... And you can die trying... Southerners warned of secession long before the outbreak of war in April of 1861.. How 'bout we burn Calgary to the ground like the Yanks did Atlanta? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 SPOT ON!!!!! QUIT COMPLAINING!!!!! We're not interested in your feeble greivances! In a time, post Vancouver 2010, when Canadians are perhaps more united than at any time in our history as a nation, I (and I think many others) have little time for people who bitch too much about having too little money (when they have more than anyone else in the country). Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 In a time, post Vancouver 2010, when Canadians are perhaps more united than at any time in our history as a nation, I (and I think many others) have little time for people who bitch too much about having too little money (when they have more than anyone else in the country). [/quotPretty much... And I have little time for those who advocate for secession along those lines... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Cry me a river... You're so hard done by... You sound like a crybaby secessionist... Jack you are the problem. Do you still want to come and hang me, for my political opinions? For a constitution and charter you hold so high you seem to have forgotten the fundamental rights enshrined in the document. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 In a time, post Vancouver 2010, when Canadians are perhaps more united than at any time in our history as a nation, I (and I think many others) have little time for people who bitch too much about having too little money (when they have more than anyone else in the country). You don't get it, money is not at the core of the issue, it is just a symptom. But why bother because you don't want to try to understand anyway. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 You don't get it, money is not at the core of the issue, it is just a symptom. So what is the core of the issue? What exactly is Alberta suffering from? Is it terminal? Quote
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