Should Corporate persons resonsible for death, have their rights strip

[eyeball]

I did but somehow I don't think a book written in 1995 will have the names of the Union reps on the Bof D at VW.

Try it on the 1st link you provided.

Edited May 25, 2010 by eyeball

[M.Dancer]

Try it on the 1st link you provided.

Feel free to prove your claim....

[waldo]

Feel free to prove your claim....

I'll take a piece of that... anything to show the selectivity of your claim of advocating for, "optics and accuracy".

also picked at random from that list of offered companies - Porsche: New Members of the Porsche AG Supervisory Board - April 19, 2010

As in the past, the employees are represented on the Supervisory Board by Uwe Hück, Werner Weresch, Antonio Girone, Walter Uhl, Rolf Frech, Jürgen Kapfer, Hans Baur, and Hansjörg Schmierer. As a result of the enlargement of the Board, Günther Magerer, the Deputy Chairman of the Works Council of Porsche AG, and Kai Bliesener, the Press Spokesman of the IG Metall Baden-Württemberg metalworkers’ union, were appointed new Members of the Board representing the employees

[M.Dancer]

I'll take a piece of that... anything to show the selectivity of your claim of advocating for, "optics and accuracy".

also picked at random from that list of offered companies - Porsche: New Members of the Porsche AG Supervisory Board - April 19, 2010

Very good .waldo, you have shown your are marginally more able than eyeball.

Now be so kind as to explain the differences for us between a supervisory board and a management or executive board...and why supervisory boards have an inherint totalitarian stink.

[eyeball]

In any case, people who have a stake in the environment by dint of living or working in it are de-facto shareholders of the natural capital that resource corporations often either extract or despoil or both. Like workers these shareholders should have representation on executive boards according to similar principles afforded workers through co-determination.

Even more so given that unions are in the same conflict of interest corporations are when it comes to protecting the same environment they both need to impact to make a living.

Relying on some distant government to protect the environment from a distance is hopeless.

Edited May 25, 2010 by eyeball

[M.Dancer]

In any case, people who have a stake in the environment by dint of living or working in it are de-facto shareholders of the natural capital that resource corporations often either extract or despoil or both.

Yeah, sure....show me your stock certificate, the number of shares you claim to own etc etc etc...who handles your proxy solicitation....

[eyeball]

Yeah, sure....show me your stock certificate, the number of shares you claim to own etc etc etc...who handles your proxy solicitation....

I'll gladly do that when the concept evolves to some point that these or something like them can become codified in law. As for now all I've got is Canadian citizenship and some asshole in Ottawa or Victota who's probably being solicited by some C-suite cocksucker as we speak.

At the moment all we have in Canada that even comes close to what I'm talking about is an inherent aboriginal right. We should take a clue and start thinking along the same lines but with a view to making them applicable in the sense of an inherent human right.

[waldo]

Feel free to prove your claim....

I'll take a piece of that... anything to show the selectivity of your claim of advocating for, "optics and accuracy".

also picked at random from that list of offered companies - Porsche: New Members of the Porsche AG Supervisory Board - April 19, 2010

As in the past, the employees are represented on the Supervisory Board by Uwe Hück, Werner Weresch, Antonio Girone, Walter Uhl, Rolf Frech, Jürgen Kapfer, Hans Baur, and Hansjörg Schmierer. As a result of the enlargement of the Board, Günther Magerer, the Deputy Chairman of the Works Council of Porsche AG, and Kai Bliesener, the Press Spokesman of the IG Metall Baden-Württemberg metalworkers’ union, were appointed new Members of the Board representing the employees

Very good .waldo, you have shown your are marginally more able than eyeball.

Now be so kind as to explain the differences for us between a supervisory board and a management or executive board...and why supervisory boards have an inherint totalitarian stink.

perhaps we could have some fun here, hey Dancer? Of course, since it's your assertion, you could actually step up and explain the distinction you proclaim... like, uhhh.... qualifying that inherent totalitarian stink reference. Perhaps you could start by distinguishing where the "totalitarian stink" separates - and isolates, particularly when it's the Supervisory Board that, by definition, actually appoints the members to the Management Board and oversees the workings of the Management Board. You could also comment on how that "totalitarian stink" originates and maintains itself, particularly since, typically, shareholders appoint half of the membership of the Supervisory Board. While you're at it, you could actually define "totalitarian stink" in the context you're presuming to use it... sure... you could do that, hey Dancer?

[M.Dancer]

perhaps we could have some fun here, hey Dancer? Of course, since it's your assertion, you could actually step up and explain the distinction you proclaim... like, uhhh.... qualifying that inherent totalitarian stink reference. Perhaps you could start by distinguishing where the "totalitarian stink" separates - and isolates, particularly when it's the Supervisory Board that, by definition, actually appoints the members to the Management Board and oversees the workings of the Management Board. You could also comment on how that "totalitarian stink" originates and maintains itself, particularly since, typically, shareholders appoint half of the membership of the Supervisory Board. While you're at it, you could actually define "totalitarian stink" in the context you're presuming to use it... sure... you could do that, hey Dancer?

I could waldo and have....you can start with this thread....right around the time where eyeball puts on his tinfoil hat and proclaims he doesn't want more government but wants more government in the form of government interferene in others property rights.

[eyeball]

eyeball wants more government...

No, I want better more rigorous corporate responsibility and respect for the environment.

The only role government should have is to facilitate the constitutional changes that give communities of real human beings the right and responsibility to help co-determine themselves the direction corporations take that operate within their regions. Especially the one's that extract resources and or despoil our ecosystems.

Once that's done what do we need the government for?

[M.Dancer]

The only role government should have is to facilitate the constitutional changes that give communities of real human beings the right and responsibility to help co-determine themselves the direction corporations take that operate within their regions.

You probably haven't heard....provincial and federal as well as municple levels of governments have members who are elected by communities of real human beings....but given you don't vote...your share (or vote) of the <cough> natural capital is given to a proxy specialist firm for use by the crown lands...this is good cause while you think that those lands somehow belong to you, they ion fact belong to everyone, not just the granola chewing classes.

[eyeball]

provincial and federal as well as municple levels of governments have members who are elected by communities of real human beings...

So you merely want everyone to rely more on government and presumably less of it?

[M.Dancer]

So you merely want everyone to rely more on government and presumably less of it?

I would settle on you having less mutually contradictory ideas and focus on reality...

[eyeball]

I would settle on you having less mutually contradictory ideas and focus on reality...

Really? The only mutually contradictory idea I see here is your sudden focus on the notion that federal, provincial and municipal governments are better at co-determining a corporations direction than people.

Fine, have it your way.

[M.Dancer]

Really? The only mutually contradictory idea I see here is your sudden focus on the notion that federal, provincial and municipal governments are better at co-determining a corporations direction than people.

Fine, have it your way.

I am not surprised at all you see that...given I have not made the claim. Seeing what is not there most be some side effect I assume. I do stand though that civic, provincial and federal agencies make better stewards of crown lands than hippies with totalitarian leanings...

[eyeball]

I am not surprised at all you see that...given I have not made the claim. Seeing what is not there most be some side effect I assume. I do stand though that civic, provincial and federal agencies make better stewards of crown lands than hippies with totalitarian leanings...

What I see is through you.

I recall local old-time loggers in the 70's who said the government in Victoria was allowing the corporations to take far too much wood out of our region too quickly. Old timers were also pointing out that the government in Ottawa was letting them do this without regard for salmon, but that's another deeply connected story.

I also recall how these same governments and the exact sorts of hippies you mention, most from far off places, like Toronto for example, basically shut down our logging industry in the 90's. Of course by that time the companies were more than happy to leave our region since by then they'd cut most everything down anyway.

That's why I suggest communities in my region would make better stewards of our resources and probably the corporations that despoil them too.