Iran on Morality Rampage

[jbg]

At least there's some assurance of moral probity somewhere. This article reminds me why I admire Islam greatly in spite of their oppostion to Israel and the United States:

Sun-Tanned Woman, Arrested for Looking Like ‘Walking Mannequins’: Iran Islamic Law Crackdown (link)

by beth — published on April 28th, 2010

Things aren’t going well for anyone in Iran who opposes Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The Iran Islamic law crackdown has led to the ‘Green Revolution’ in that country which has led to violence against the protesters, deaths and hangings of opposition sympathizers. Now that crackdown is expanding to the point that a sun-tanned woman, arrested looking like ‘walking mannequins’.

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Ayatollah Kazim Sadighi, a leading cleric in Iran, had earlier warned that women who dress immodestly cause earthquakes. His theory seemed to be that young men who see a woman that is not covered from head to toe in a hajib and burka are ‘disturbed’ which causes agitation which causes earthquakes. Along the same lines, Ayatollah Aziz Khoshvaqt, another cleric in Tehran has warned that the citizens should flee the city before allah brings down his punishment for his undoubted displeasure at the immodesty of the women in the city. Khoshvaqt said in a sermon to his followers:

[bloodyminded]

At least there's some assurance of moral probity somewhere. This article reminds me why I admire Islam greatly in spite of their oppostion to Israel and the United States:

Sun-Tanned Woman, Arrested for Looking Like ‘Walking Mannequins’: Iran Islamic Law Crackdown (link)

by beth — published on April 28th, 2010

Things aren’t going well for anyone in Iran who opposes Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The Iran Islamic law crackdown has led to the ‘Green Revolution’ in that country which has led to violence against the protesters, deaths and hangings of opposition sympathizers. Now that crackdown is expanding to the point that a sun-tanned woman, arrested looking like ‘walking mannequins’.

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Ayatollah Kazim Sadighi, a leading cleric in Iran, had earlier warned that women who dress immodestly cause earthquakes. His theory seemed to be that young men who see a woman that is not covered from head to toe in a hajib and burka are ‘disturbed’ which causes agitation which causes earthquakes. Along the same lines, Ayatollah Aziz Khoshvaqt, another cleric in Tehran has warned that the citizens should flee the city before allah brings down his punishment for his undoubted displeasure at the immodesty of the women in the city. Khoshvaqt said in a sermon to his followers:

I consider such views to be about as "moral" as the "moral majority" [sic]. I disagree with them because I think such notions are immoral.

[AngusThermopyle]

Well now we know whats been causing all these earthquakes around the world lately. I bet it was women who caused that latest volcanic eruption as well.

[DogOnPorch]

[jbg]

I consider such views to be about as "moral" as the "moral majority" [sic]. I disagree with them because I think such notions are immoral.

I greatly admire Islam's moral probity.

[Rue]

I greatly admire Islam's moral probity.

You presented an example of religious fundamentalist extremism as a pretense to keep engaging

in shots at the Islamic religion? Why?

What is the point?

why not just say, Islam is poo, and leave it at that. What was your point other then that?

You engage in the same exercise anti-semites do with Jews or others do when negatively stereotyping

all Christians or gays or blacks, etc.

What is the point?

What is the point suggesting an entire religion and therefore all its followers are negative and

fundamentalist extremists or have the same negative characteristics other then to incite

intolerance?

Is it possible for you to criticize Islamic precepts without just throwing out the entire religion

and inferring anyone who is Muslim has a moral problem?

I resent it very much when people suggest because there are fundamentalist Jews who subsrcibe to

the same extremist values as you presented above, that I as a Jew also think that way.

I tell such people to take their negative stereotypes and shove them up their keesters. I would say

to you the same thing.

If you want to criticize Islamic precepts do so. Resorting to negative stereotypes of the entire religion and all its followers, I pass on.

[Sir Bandelot]

Yes Iran is a bad country.

[Sir Bandelot]

Is it possible for you to criticize Islamic precepts without just throwing out the entire religion

and inferring anyone who is Muslim has a moral problem?

I resent it very much when people suggest because there are fundamentalist Jews who subsrcibe to

the same extremist values as you presented above, that I as a Jew also think that way.

I don't understand the premise either. Not much room for discussion.

[jbg]

I don't understand the premise either. Not much room for discussion.

I see nothing in my post that attacks Islam.

I also see nothing wrong with reporting actual events, largely without comment, and letting people come to their own conclusions. For what it's worth I have from time to time given some coverage to seriously heartwarming efforts from Islam to get past the hateful relations that have developed.

[Sir Bandelot]

I also see nothing wrong with reporting actual events, largely without comment, and letting people come to their own conclusions.

Oh there's nothing really wrong with it. Thanks for providing such a valuable service.

Your news reports seem to have one consistent theme. You characterize the whole of Islam as being in opposition to Israel, and the United States.

As to letting others "come to their own conclusions", you have provided yours already. Why hide behind words?

[DogOnPorch]

So you're in agreement that women cause earthquakes?

[myata]

There're people on neverending morality quest right here around us (believe it or not!) so why go far, all the way to Iran, you can express your astonishment and disbelief right here and now.

[jbg]

You presented an example of religious fundamentalist extremism as a pretense to keep engaging

in shots at the Islamic religion? Why?

What is the point?

why not just say, Islam is poo, and leave it at that. What was your point other then that?

You engage in the same exercise anti-semites do with Jews or others do when negatively stereotyping

all Christians or gays or blacks, etc.************************

If you want to criticize Islamic precepts do so. Resorting to negative stereotypes of the entire religion and all its followers, I pass on.

Oh there's nothing really wrong with it. Thanks for providing such a valuable service.

Your news reports seem to have one consistent theme. You characterize the whole of Islam as being in opposition to Israel, and the United States.

You are both just dead wrong, and I think I'm due an apology from both as you can see from my posting below.

When there are positive reports I always poit them out and even open a thread. Here's one example (link). Here's an excerpt from the article I highlighted (link to article):

Many Jews consider Christmas Day an opportunity to serve their community while Christian neighbors celebrate their holiday. This year, what's also known as Mitzvah Day in southeast Michigan is getting an added boost from Muslims.

For the first time, about 40 Muslims are expected to join 900 Jews for what they call their largest annual day of volunteering. Leaders say it's a small but significant step in diffusing tensions and promoting good will between the religions — particularly on a day that is sacred to Christianity, the third Abrahamic faith.

Mitzvah Day, a nearly 20-year tradition in the Detroit area also practiced in other communities, is so named because Mitzvah means "commandment" in Hebrew and is generally translated as a good deed.

The new partnership stemmed from a recent meeting between members of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Michigan, the Jewish Community Relations Council and the Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Detroit — which said it was unaware of any similar Mitzvah Day alliances.

The Jewish groups organize Mitzvah Day, which consists of volunteers helping 48 local social service agencies with tasks such as feeding the hungry and delivering toys to children in need.

Victor Begg, chairman of the Islamic council, said he was seeking a public way for the two faith communities to "build bridges of understanding and cooperation," which led to joining the Mitzvah Day effort.

"The general public is what we need to give the message to, our entire community," he said.

Not only are most Muslims and Jews available to serve on Christmas Day, but leaders also recognized a shared commitment to community service. Charity in Judaism is known as "tzedakah." In Islam, it's called "zakat."

As to letting others "come to their own conclusions", you have provided yours already. Why hide behind words?

As you can see I show both sides of the coin. My one wish is that all religions would do more of what that article is about.

[myata]

Or you think that when you want to dictate what people should be allowed to do with their bodies; or what they could wear on their heads, as opposed to their bottoms; it would be anyhow different from those you want to keep in ridicule and moral inferiority?

Nope, it makes you quite similar. In fact, as similar as an identical twin. Try to understand that.

[Sir Bandelot]

As you can see I show both sides of the coin. My one wish is that all religions would do more of what that article is about.

Well looking at the past dozen or so topics you've introduced, one could say there's a common theme in them. "Muslims bad, Jews Good".

Still getting over "War, to be humane, " etc.

I think I'm due an apology.

Oh please, not again. We have people around here apologizing for something they never did, and not apologizing for something that they did. What's an apology really worth these days?

Tell you what, we'll see how well you do over the next little while. Maybe if you keep reporting both sides of the coin as you say.

I'll be watching

[jbg]

Tell you what, we'll see how well you do over the next little while. Maybe if you keep reporting both sides of the coin as you say.

I'll be watching

If you PM me worthy deeds by Muslims I'll either open a new thread or post them in the other one I started.

[DogOnPorch]

BEDEMIR: And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.

ARTHUR: This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedemir. Explain again how

sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

BEDEMIR: Oh, certainly, sir...

LAUNCELOT: Look, my liege!

ARTHUR: Camelot!

GALAHAD: Camelot!

LAUNCELOT: Camelot!

PATSY: It's only a model...

ARTHUR: Shhh! Knights...I bid you welcome to your new home. Let us

ride...to Camelot!

Edited May 22, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[jbg]

Or you think that when you want to dictate what people should be allowed to do with their bodies; or what they could wear on their heads, as opposed to their bottoms; it would be anyhow different from those you want to keep in ridicule and moral inferiority?

Apparently the mullahs want to dictate what women wear on their bodies. Isn't that the subject of the opening post?

[Sir Bandelot]

Or you think that when you want to dictate what people should be allowed to do with their bodies; or what they could wear on their heads, as opposed to their bottoms; it would be anyhow different from those you want to keep in ridicule and moral inferiority?

Nope, it makes you quite similar. In fact, as similar as an identical twin. Try to understand that.

I think there should be a limit to what's acceptable, at some point. For practical reasons. Ultra liberalism is a degenerative disease in society, but equally harmful is harsh conservatism. Finally liberal degeneracy becomes a threat to national security.

[myata]

Finally liberal degeneracy becomes a threat to national security.

But of course it is. The only question is, who decides what and how constitutes the terrible threat to "security"? One jerk thinks it's bare bottom, while another - covered face.. how do you pick between the two?! Because you really, have to!

Edited May 24, 2010 by myata

[Oleg Bach]

There can be nothing moral in a nation where the administrators say they speak on behalf of God - because that is impossible and an utter lie. Same goes for a secularist nation where powerful corporates act as if they are God..and answer to no man - Oil companies seem to behave in the same manner...and they are on a type of self justified moral monetary rampage - that money does no wrong.