August1991 Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 Former Quebec premier Jacques Parizeau has been hospitalized because of a drop in blood pressure brought on by exhaustion.Parizeau is in stable condition and under observation, says a statement issued Tuesday evening by Montreal's Jewish General Hospital. Montreal GazetteI am sure the irony will not be lost on others. Parizeau was born in 1930 (the same year as Gorbachev and Yeltsin). Parizeau was a heavy smoker and he drinks like Churchill. I think he still lives in Outremont (where he and Trudeau grew up, sons of wealthy French Canadian fathers; Trudeau was 10 years his elder). Brebeuf and the Jewish General Hospital are close. Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 Montreal Gazette I am sure the irony will not be lost on others. Parizeau was born in 1930 (the same year as Gorbachev and Yeltsin). Parizeau was a heavy smoker and he drinks like Churchill. I think he still lives in Outremont (where he and Trudeau grew up, sons of wealthy French Canadian fathers; Trudeau was 10 years his elder). Brebeuf and the Jewish General Hospital are close. It'll be tough being saved by the special interests. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 It'll be tough being saved by the special interests. First he was beaten by money and the minority vote... Now,he might have his life prolonged by it... Parizeau is a disgusting,shameful person...I can't say I'm terribly upset to see he's suffering... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
M.Dancer Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070718051559/desencyclopedie/images/d/d6/Simpsons_nelson_haha.jpg Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Guy M Posted April 11, 2010 Report Posted April 11, 2010 Parizeau's first wife was a Polish holocaust survivor, she had been a part of the Warsaw uprising and interned at a concentration camp... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Poznanska Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 12, 2010 Report Posted April 12, 2010 (edited) Parizeau's first wife was a Polish holocaust survivor, she had been a part of the Warsaw uprising and interned at a concentration camp... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Poznanska Holocaust survivor? That's a bit of a stretch....although she was in a POW camp. Bergen-Belsen prisoner of war camp Not that any of that has any bearing on Parizeau's racist utterings Edited April 12, 2010 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
August1991 Posted April 14, 2010 Author Report Posted April 14, 2010 (edited) Parizeau's first wife was a Polish holocaust survivor, she had been a part of the Warsaw uprising and interned at a concentration camp... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Poznanska I think that it's an exaggeration to say that Alice Parizeau was a holocaust survivor.From what I understand, she was a Catholic child (born in 1930, near Krakow) who grew up in prewar Poland and then under Nazi occupation. (To compare, Roman Polanski, a Jew, was born in 1933 in Paris but moved near Krakow in 1936.) Life in Poland under Nazi Occupation (the General Government) was dramatically different if one was deemed/perceived Jewish or Polish Catholic. ---- I have read about two novels by Alice Parizeau - "Blizzard sur Quebec" comes to mind. They are pedestrian. ---- Nationalism or prejudice, if that's the word, is a strange beast. Lucien Bouchard chose a unilingual anglophone American for a second wife. Trudeau chose a unilingual daughter of a Vancouver Liberal MP. Tiger Woods chose a blonde Swede. I'm not sure that any of these men were happy. Parizeau happened to meet a Catholic Polish woman, and he lived with her for about 40 years. By all accounts, they had a happy marriage until she died of cancer. Since this is now in the news, Michel Chartrand lived a long and happy marriage with Simonne Monet so I don't know what conclusion to draw. Edited April 14, 2010 by August1991 Quote
Wilber Posted April 14, 2010 Report Posted April 14, 2010 Perhaps one should read up a little on Bergen Belsen before they write it off as just a POW camp. Over 50,000 died there. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
M.Dancer Posted April 14, 2010 Report Posted April 14, 2010 Perhaps one should read up a little on Bergen Belsen before they write it off as just a POW camp. Over 50,000 died there. But not 50,000 polish POWs... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Wilber Posted April 14, 2010 Report Posted April 14, 2010 But not 50,000 polish POWs... Considering the death rates of Soviet and Polish POW's in German camps I think it is safe to assume that quite a few of them were Polish POW's. However, I agree that it doesn't make her a Holocaust survivor regardless of how bad the odds of walking out of Belsen alive. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
August1991 Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Posted April 17, 2010 (edited) We're well off topic here but anyway... Perhaps one should read up a little on Bergen Belsen before they write it off as just a POW camp. Over 50,000 died there.Bergen Belsen was a Nazi prison, like Buchenwald or Dachau. These names are known in the West because when the western Allies first arrived in Germany in 1945, these were the first "death camps" that the soldiers saw. (BTW, Rene Levesque was one of those soldiers, in US uniform, who first saw Dachau.)In fact, Buchenwald, Dachau and Bergen Belsen (all in Germany) were distinct from Treblinka, Auschwitz, Belzec or Sobibor (all in Poland). Sobibor, for example, existed simply to murder people. It was not a prison like Bergen Belsen. Edited April 17, 2010 by August1991 Quote
Wilber Posted April 17, 2010 Report Posted April 17, 2010 We're well off topic here but anyway... Bergen Belsen was a Nazi prison, like Buchenwald or Dachau. These names are known in the West because when the western Allies first arrived in Germany in 1945, these were the first "death camps" that the soldiers saw. (BTW, Rene Levesque was one of those soldiers, in US uniform, who first saw Dachau.) In fact, Buchenwald, Dachau and Bergen Belsen (all in Germany) were distinct from Treblinka, Auschwitz, Belzec or Sobibor (all in Poland). Sobibor, for example, existed simply to murder people. It was not a prison like Bergen Belsen. It's true that Belsen was not a death camp like Auschwitz etc in that its express purpose was not extermination. Belsen and its ilk were more subtle. Death was merely a result of abuse, malnutrition and disease. Different approach, similar result. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Muddy Posted April 21, 2010 Report Posted April 21, 2010 It's true that Belsen was not a death camp like Auschwitz etc in that its express purpose was not extermination. Belsen and its ilk were more subtle. Death was merely a result of abuse, malnutrition and disease. Different approach, similar result. was it not Belsen where the towns people were made to bury corpses so they understand what they had turned their eyes away from ? Did not the Mayor and his wife then commit suicide? If you ever visit the place you will know it was not a POW camp. It was a murder most foul place. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 21, 2010 Report Posted April 21, 2010 If you ever visit the place you will know it was not a POW camp. How would you know that when the info centre says it was a POW camp and a concentration camp. Polish and Russian POWS were kept there....the Russians fared the worse. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Muddy Posted April 21, 2010 Report Posted April 21, 2010 (edited) How would you know that when the info centre says it was a POW camp and a concentration camp. Polish and Russian POWS were kept there....the Russians fared the worse. Alright! It was more than a POW camp to say the least. Real POW camps treated our guys pretty well according to Geneva conventions on the most part. In comparison to regular POW camps with Canadian, Brits, Aussies etc they were resorts compared to Belsen. Edited April 21, 2010 by Muddy Quote
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