Glover to replace Guergis?

[Mr.Canada]

The police officer-turned-MP had to be a tough customer dealing with crack addicts and gang members in downtown Winnipeg. Now her plainspoken, hardnosed style is fitting in quite nicely within the Conservative caucus.

Glover - a hunter, bilingual Metis woman, police officer and mother of five - has Conservatives talking about a possible promotion in the future. She is currently the parliamentary secretary on official languages issues, although she was elected only in 2008.

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Guergis is going to go, it's just a matter of when. The PM needs to quiestly dump her and quickly replace her and make the story about that to minimize the damage Guergis has done to the Tory brand.

Glover is a solid choice, she's an Metis cop who grew up very poor under harsh circumstances but pulled herself out and didn't give up and expect a handout like so many do. She'd be an excellent role model for some of the young Native women in this country and for women in general proving that being born poor doesn't mean you must remain that way, dependant on government for money.

After dealing with gangs, whores and addicts in downtown Winnipeg I'm sure she would be used to pressure by now and wouldn't be prone to public meltdowns. She could do no worse then Guergis at any rate.

Opinions?

[Sir Bandelot]

Any replacement for Guergis would be an improvement.

"After dealing with gangs, whores and addicts...", she would likely do well as a parliamentarian.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Guergis is going to go, it's just a matter of when. The PM needs to quiestly dump her and quickly replace her and make the story about that to minimize the damage Guergis has done to the Tory brand.

Glover is a solid choice, she's an Metis cop who grew up very poor under harsh circumstances but pulled herself out and didn't give up and expect a handout like so many do. She'd be an excellent role model for some of the young Native women in this country and for women in general proving that being born poor doesn't mean you must remain that way, dependant on government for money.

After dealing with gangs, whores and addicts in downtown Winnipeg I'm sure she would be used to pressure by now and wouldn't be prone to public meltdowns. She could do no worse then Guergis at any rate.

Opinions?

Might be a good choice.

[Mr.Canada]

Might be a good choice.

Guergis needs to go. I have no idea why Harper is waiting so long to turf her from cabinet. She's damaged goods.

The Liberals, due to having no policy or priorities have talked about her for a week instead of dealing with the real issues that average Canadians care about. They certainly have a point but I don't think it needs to take up a weeks worth of Question Period. The week before this they took up the entire weeks worth of Question Period about the detainee thing which again missed it's mark. The Liberal numbers continue to fall so it's obvious average Canadians don't really care all that much and want to hear about the real issues. I'm sure their are more important issues honestly.

[Sir Bandelot]

The Liberals, due to having no policy or priorities have talked about her for a week instead of dealing with the real issues that average Canadians care about. They certainly have a point but I don't think it needs to take up a weeks worth of Question Period. The week before this they took up the entire weeks worth of Question Period about the detainee thing which again missed it's mark. The Liberal numbers continue to fall so it's obvious average Canadians don't really care all that much and want to hear about the real issues. I'm sure their are more important issues honestly.

Ignatieff does not have the charisma to be their leader. Ignatieff himself is damaged goods. He needs to go. In fact the whole party needs to be dismantled.

[Mr.Canada]

Ignatieff does not have the charisma to be their leader. Ignatieff himself is damaged goods. He needs to go. In fact the whole party needs to be dismantled.

The right wingers have been saying this from the beginning but the Liberal supporters kept saying he was akin to the second coming on this board. Perhaps the Liberal supporters should listen once in a while, we tried to help them. Many said that Ignatieff would be PM. I hate to say we told you so...but.

I'm sure once he qualifies for his gold plated pension he'll be back to Harvard. As an intellectual and an author he's ok but he's no politician. I look forward to his new book about his brief life in politics once he goes back to the US. The man is barely a Canadian.

Edited April 3, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[DrGreenthumb]

Glover is a complete idiot, but it would be pretty hard to be worse than Guergis.

[Mr.Canada]

Glover is a complete idiot, but it would be pretty hard to be worse than Guergis.

How is Glover a complete idiot? These cheap thrill smear tactics aren't good enough for MLW. Please provide specifics and not just opinion based on partisanship.

Who do you suggest replace Guergis?

Thanks.

Edited April 3, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[DrGreenthumb]

How is Glover a complete idiot?

Who do you suggest replace Guergis?

Thanks.

Lack of intelligent ideas? A world view completely biased from working as a winnipeg cop and dealing mostly with the small percentage people who are involved in criminal activity? The woman doesn't even know how to have an original thought, all she can do is parrot the Conservative crime slogans. She would get steamrolled in question period.

To replace Guergis? Pretty much any member of the Liberal or NDP.

[Mr.Canada]

Lack of intelligent ideas? A world view completely biased from working as a winnipeg cop and dealing mostly with the small percentage people who are involved in criminal activity? The woman doesn't even know how to have an original thought, all she can do is parrot the Conservative crime slogans. She would get steamrolled in question period.

To replace Guergis? Pretty much any member of the Liberal or NDP.

So in other words you have chosen to take a completely partisan position and not take the topic seriously. You can move along now.

[Jack Weber]

So in other words you have chosen to take a completely partisan position and not take the topic seriously. You can move along now.

Are seriously trying to make the claim that your positions are'nt partisan???

Actually,I take that back...Your positions are'nt only partisan,they're also creepy...

Are'nt you the,"Populist Conservative" with a seemingly unhealthy obsessive Daddy complex for Mr.Harper?

[Mr.Canada]

Let's try to stay on topic please. The bash Mr.Canada thread is within my sig.

This topic is for Glover replacing Guergis. IF you cannot form your thoughts within those confines just don't post at all in this thread. Thanks so much.

Edited April 3, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[ToadBrother]

Guergis is going to go, it's just a matter of when. The PM needs to quiestly dump her and quickly replace her and make the story about that to minimize the damage Guergis has done to the Tory brand.

I don't think there's any "quietly" possible now about dumping her. Of course the standard resignation (rather than firing) will be proffered, filled with B.S. like "leaving for personal reasons".

Glover is a solid choice, she's an Metis cop who grew up very poor under harsh circumstances but pulled herself out and didn't give up and expect a handout like so many do. She'd be an excellent role model for some of the young Native women in this country and for women in general proving that being born poor doesn't mean you must remain that way, dependant on government for money.

I don't think there's much likelihood of a mass exodus of Natives to the Tory party. I'm sure she couldn't do a worse job at making the Government look bad.

After dealing with gangs, whores and addicts in downtown Winnipeg I'm sure she would be used to pressure by now and wouldn't be prone to public meltdowns. She could do no worse then Guergis at any rate.

Opinions?

My opinion is the Tory caucus has a severe lack of talent.

[bloodyminded]

Let's try to stay on topic please. The bash Mr.Canada thread is within my sig.

This topic is for Glover replacing Guergis. IF you cannot form your thoughts within those confines just don't post at all in this thread. Thanks so much.

Mr. Canada, I originally thought your "bash Mr. Canada" thread a good idea: I actually felt you were being unfairly attacked on a personal level, and that this was unfair.

I even stated this.

And then some other posters said, in effect, "Wait a while. You'll see."

Well, they were right; I was wrong.

You keep insulting people...and then when they bite back--in response to your insults--you say "Please refer personal insults to the Mr. Canada thread."

It's a bit...frustrating, let's say.

[Mr.Canada]

Mr. Canada, I originally thought your "bash Mr. Canada" thread a good idea: I actually felt you were being unfairly attacked on a personal level, and that this was unfair.

I even stated this.

And then some other posters said, in effect, "Wait a while. You'll see."

Well, they were right; I was wrong.

You keep insulting people...and then when they bite back--in response to your insults--you say "Please refer personal insults to the Mr. Canada thread."

It's a bit...frustrating, let's say.

Hrm, I wasn't aware that I was insulting anyone directly at all. I like to have some fun with my posts, maybe I have too much fun sometimes. I'll keep a closer eye on what I am writing, make sure I'm not insulting people. Thanks.

[Argus]

My opinion is the Tory caucus has a severe lack of talent.

Yes, I agree. However, I haven't noted much in the way of talent on the NDP or Liberal teams over the last decade either.

The life of a politician has become one of currying favour from above while making bland, non-committal mouth noises to everyone else while the media and other parties do their best to lay traps to ruin you. In order to succeed you need to do nothing controversial, nothing to offend or upset anyone. No one with real talent, drive and skill has much desire for such a job.

[Topaz]

Glover is ok but there are other women in the Tory party, is Glover the only one to replace her? The small detail though, Harpr hasn't asked her yet for her resignation. I hear Guergis has bought a 800,000 house and didn't have a down payment for the mortgage. Bob Fife, is going to look into that and see what exactly is going on. Is it that she doesn't have to have a down payment because she part of the government? Which bank would give her 800,000 without a down payment and the possibility of her losing her job?

[Wild Bill]

Glover is ok but there are other women in the Tory party, is Glover the only one to replace her? The small detail though, Harpr hasn't asked her yet for her resignation. I hear Guergis has bought a 800,000 house and didn't have a down payment for the mortgage. Bob Fife, is going to look into that and see what exactly is going on. Is it that she doesn't have to have a down payment because she part of the government? Which bank would give her 800,000 without a down payment and the possibility of her losing her job?

Well, she is married, after all. In fact, her husband Jaffer is a known drug user. Perhaps he has a lot of drug money? Failing that, their two incomes and resources may be enough.

Doesn't really matter. The CPC owes her nothing about her personal finances. Her house and debts are her and I presume, her husband's problems.

Harper likes to let people go as quietly as possible, to minimize the damage. Give it a bit more time. She's toast! She brought it on herself. People are entitled to make mistakes but her mistakes damaged the party name. No party can forgive this.

Unless the offender is Hedy Fry and a member of the Liberal party, of course!

[ToadBrother]

Yes, I agree. However, I haven't noted much in the way of talent on the NDP or Liberal teams over the last decade either.

The life of a politician has become one of currying favour from above while making bland, non-committal mouth noises to everyone else while the media and other parties do their best to lay traps to ruin you. In order to succeed you need to do nothing controversial, nothing to offend or upset anyone. No one with real talent, drive and skill has much desire for such a job.

Well, ultimately we vote along party lines. Would you consider voting for a talented NDP candidate? Would an NDP support consider voting for a talented Tory candidate?

[HitEleven]

Harper likes to let people go as quietly as possible, to minimize the damage. Give it a bit more time. She's toast! She brought it on herself. People are entitled to make mistakes but her mistakes damaged the party name. No party can forgive this.

Agreed about Harper. He's quite petulant. The more he's pressed to do something, the less willing he is to do it.

[Wild Bill]

Agreed about Harper. He's quite petulant. The more he's pressed to do something, the less willing he is to do it.

I don't share your interpretation. I agree he can be quite petulant but it's just a partisan stretch to say he doesn't quickly axe people just because he resents being pushed to do it.

No, it's simply good strategy. Why make an issue bigger than it is? That's just handing the opposition more fuel for their flames. Much better to try to keep things as low key as possible.

That was Chretien's strategy for years and it worked well. He carried it a bit further, in that he would keep denying a problem with one of his MPs far past the point when it was blatantly obvious to the world. Still, quite often things just blew over and went away. This was frustrating to the Opposition but why should Chretien have cared?

[Mr.Canada]

Harper isn't a stupid man and people here who think he is are vastly underestimating him. I'm sure he knows she has to go but he's doing this to wind up the opposition a little bit plus he wants to do it on his own terms and not when some socialists tell him to. I honestly think he's amused by the opposition going into a frothing mouthed frenzy over the ordeal. The MP from Malpaque is very entertaining.

Harper also knows that the dip in his support are temporary and let's face it, he ca afford to play games a little bit. It's not as if he has any real competition across the aisle who will hold him to task. The more the Op. Leader speaks the more his numbers fall. Harper knows this and is enjoying watching the Op. go crazy.

[Argus]

Well, ultimately we vote along party lines. Would you consider voting for a talented NDP candidate? Would an NDP support consider voting for a talented Tory candidate?

I wouldn't vote for an NDP candidate because they are basically drones. They will vote according to how their party leaders tells them to vote, and say whatever they are told to say, and I don't like the ideological tilt of that party.

[DrGreenthumb]

I wouldn't vote for an NDP candidate because they are basically drones. They will vote according to how their party leaders tells them to vote, and say whatever they are told to say, and I don't like the ideological tilt of that party.

LOL, and the Conservatives are such independant voters, pffft!

[Argus]

LOL, and the Conservatives are such independant voters, pffft!

On any number of issues there is an acceptance of a divergence of opinion - ie abortion, death penalty, gun control, immigration and multiculturalism, gay rights.

There is no such acceptance from the NDP. You either fully accept and parrot 100% of their platform or get lost. There is no ability of an individual to challenge the sacred cows of Chairman Jack.