Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Is anybody saying the "National Party of Canada" can not say what their ideals are? I suspect that the only thing preventing them from explaining their views is that nobody would vote for them if they made their views known. As a courtesy to other forum members, why don't you learn to use the quote feature properly, so that people can figure out who and what you are replying to without reading the whole thread? -k Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 OK???? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Freedom of speech means exactly as it should.THE NATIONALIST PARTY OF CANADA has been up front and yes about European Heritage ...Case in point,they cannot be regognized due to the expression of their freedom of speech.I wont even bother to delve into the delusion of ceretain peoples to deny reality.Facist or not politically correct or not was not the question posed on this particular question.Truth is that people on both sides of the spectrum have a right to express their ideals publicly.Isnt that the point of our so called democracy?The Nationalist Party Of Canada doesnt have to be the majority,just a VOICE that can be recognized under the law. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) Freedom of speech means exactly as it should.THE NATIONALIST PARTY OF CANADA has been up front and yes about European Heritage ...Case in point,they cannot be regognized due to the expression of their freedom of speech.I wont even bother to delve into the delusion of ceretain peoples to deny reality.Facist or not politically correct or not was not the question posed on this particular question.Truth is that people on both sides of the spectrum have a right to express their ideals publicly.Isnt that the point of our so called democracy?The Nationalist Party Of Canada doesnt have to be the majority,just a VOICE that can be recognized under the law. Firstly,that party should have every right to voice it's ideological views. However,lets be clear...We know what "Nationalist" is code for. We know what "European Heritage" is code for. The views of that party would fit very nicely in a time warp...Somewhere in Germany circa 1938... The only reason I want them to say anything at all is to expose them for the socially inept buffoons that they are.I feel it's better to get that stuff out in the open than let it fester in the shadows using 10 dollar euphemisms to give it some specious legitimacy.The problem with the PC crowd is that they think if they legislate against this stuff that it goes away.It does'nt,and it ends up going on behind the scenes... Edited March 31, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Firstly,that party should have every right to voice it's ideological views. However,lets be clear...We know what "Nationalist" is code for. We know what "European Heritage" is code for. The views of that party would fit very nicely in a time warp...Somewhere in Germany circa 1938... The only reason I want them to say anything at all is to expose them for the socially inept buffoons that they are.I feel it's better to get that stuff out in the open than let it fester in the shadows using 10 dollar euphemisms to give it some specious legitimacy.The problem with the PC crowd is that they think if they legislate against this stuff that it goes away.It does'nt,and it ends up going on behind the scenes... Quote
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Firstly,that party should have every right to voice it's ideological views. However,lets be clear...We know what "Nationalist" is code for. We know what "European Heritage" is code for. The views of that party would fit very nicely in a time warp...Somewhere in Germany circa 1938... The only reason I want them to say anything at all is to expose them for the socially inept buffoons that they are.I feel it's better to get that stuff out in the open than let it fester in the shadows using 10 dollar euphemisms to give it some specious legitimacy.The problem with the PC crowd is that they think if they legislate against this stuff that it goes away.It does'nt,and it ends up going on behind the scenes... Quote
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Fair enough.Point still remains,regardless of what means what and what is "code" for what is not the issue.Freedom of speech stems from ideals and opinions does it not?Or does free speech have to be fair to be freely heard?I for one will keep my truest opinions to myself as i volunteer for a public service and as such CANNOT FREELY EXPRESS CERTAIN POLITICAL OPINIONS.This is proof that freedom of speech IS a myth Quote
Peter F Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) I for one will keep my truest opinions to myself as i volunteer for a public service and as such CANNOT FREELY EXPRESS CERTAIN POLITICAL OPINIONS.This is proof that freedom of speech IS a myth Its a myth because you choose to make it so. Speak freely. There's nothing stopping you. If the public service you volounteer for no longer wants you associated with them because of your opinions, that has got nothing to do with you speaking freely. If they cut you out it matters not for you can still speak freely. within the group or without. ...unless you prefer being deceptive. Edited March 31, 2010 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Fair enough.Point still remains,regardless of what means what and what is "code" for what is not the issue.Freedom of speech stems from ideals and opinions does it not?Or does free speech have to be fair to be freely heard?I for one will keep my truest opinions to myself as i volunteer for a public service and as such CANNOT FREELY EXPRESS CERTAIN POLITICAL OPINIONS.This is proof that freedom of speech IS a myth Yes it does stem from ideals ad opinions.My take on it is that it must be protected.It must protect even the most ugly forms of speech because if it can protect that,it can protect everyone.I don't think it has to be fair at all,but that goes both ways...If one has the freedom to say odious things,one also has the freedom to take the heat for saying it. To that end...Are intimating that you are a voter,or financial contributer,to the Nationalist Party? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Not so!.I would( speak freely among staff and fellow volunteers) if i wasnt slandered on the grounds of political correctness and therefore relieved.It may not pretty and not what we want but it is myth that Canadians have freedom of speech.We have the freedom as long as someone isnt offended? Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Not so!.I would( speak freely among staff and fellow volunteers) if i wasnt slandered on the grounds of political correctness and therefore relieved.It may not pretty and not what we want but it is myth that Canadians have freedom of speech.We have the freedom as long as someone isnt offended? I'd agree that that might be the road we are headed down if people don't realize what is going on... It's a sort of soft edged tyranny of thought,but tyranny just the same.Freedom is not always pretty.I always find that political correctness is a form of lying to someone.It's lying,under the guise of not hurting someone's feelings... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 the very guidelines of this forum do not permit slander or discrimination.You wish my to express my ideals for the purpose of curiosity?Intellect or fairness doesnot rule this land.The very point of my reply to this thread is in my eyes adding a very fair voice to an otherwise beurocratic mish mash of fulffy unrealistic thought processes Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 the very guidelines of this forum do not permit slander or discrimination.You wish my to express my ideals for the purpose of curiosity?Intellect or fairness doesnot rule this land.The very point of my reply to this thread is in my eyes adding a very fair voice to an otherwise beurocratic mish mash of fulffy unrealistic thought processes Well,I would recommend that you don't use racial epithets.Ohter than that,the usual code words would probably work... Would it be safe to assume you're a "nationalist" and believer in a racial hierarchy (ie.European heritage trumps African or Asian heritage)? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Well,I would recommend that you don't use racial epithets.Ohter than that,the usual code words would probably work... Would it be safe to assume you're a "nationalist" and believer in a racial hierarchy (ie.European heritage trumps African or Asian heritage)? Quote
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 This is sad and laughable at the same time.the fact that even in a forum where the question is posed -is freedome of speech a myth in canada ?. i cannot freely speak .this should be the end and answer to this topic.it is obvious we do not have freedom of speech in Canada Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 This is sad and laughable at the same time.the fact that even in a forum where the question is posed -is freedome of speech a myth in canada ?. i cannot freely speak .this should be the end and answer to this topic.it is obvious we do not have freedom of speech in Canada I'll take that as an affirmative on those two questions I asked... Like I said...Germany circa 1938... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 I'll take that as an affirmative on those two questions I asked... Like I said...Germany circa 1938... Quote
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Like I said freedom of speech is dead in Canada. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Like I said freedom of speech is dead in Canada. Cop out... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Loyalista Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 to draaaaag out your accusation to try and discredit my point is weak. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 to draaaaag out your accusation to try and discredit my point is weak. Your point is valid...You did'nt answer the question...So I'll repeat it for you and you can then explain yourself a little better... Would it be safe to assume that you're a "nationalist" and that you (maybe,possibly) believe in a racial hierarchy(ie.European heritage trumps African and Asian heritage)? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Born Free Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Like I said freedom of speech is dead in Canada. No matter how silly it is on the subject, your passion is commendable. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 31, 2010 Author Report Posted March 31, 2010 This is sad and laughable at the same time.the fact that even in a forum where the question is posed -is freedome of speech a myth in canada ?. i cannot freely speak .this should be the end and answer to this topic.it is obvious we do not have freedom of speech in Canada I seem to have been given a break thanks to this new member. They have found someone new to poke for a while...hehe. I believe this poster is either very young or didn't finish high school. Now onto the topic. Yes, many of us here believe that there isn't freedom of speech in Canada. I think people should be allowed to say whatever it is they want to say. That doesn't mean their wouldn't be consequences for their words and actions. You seem to be confusing these two things. Jack said something earlier in this thread, something like, let them say what they want so we can identify and dismiss those with extreme views right away. As it is now it can take a long time to find out who has those views. The Reform party suffered greatly from this as some MP's used racial epithets and had to removed from the caucus, it's not against the law to use them but people are responsible for their words. Reform never recovered from this and was forever labeled. Even though they had some really good non partisan ideas, it didn't matter. The label had been placed. These are some of the consequences I was speaking of. This board isn't Canada or any country. It's intellectual property and is governed by the Admins. They are free to set up any guidelines they wish in order to post here. It's the same at any forum across the internet. I don't agree with the hate laws in this country but at the same time I don't see how using "hate speech" or racial epithets in our discussions here would help foster meaningful debate and discussion. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
M.Dancer Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 the very guidelines of this forum do not permit slander ... The laws of most nations do not permit slander. Why would you want to slander anyone...it is a tool for morons. Besides, it is impossible to slander anyone on a forum. Slander is the spoken word. You actually mean libel. The US Supreme Court defined slander as: "... slander ... may be divided into five classes, as follows: (1.) Words falsely spoken of a person which impute to the party the commission of some criminal offence involving moral turpitude, for which the party, if the charge is true, may be indicted and punished. (2.) Words falsely spoken of a person which impute that the party is infected with some contagious disease, where, if the charge is true, it would exclude the party from society; or (3.) Defamatory words falsely spoken of a person, which impute to the party unfitness to perform the duties of an office or employment of profit, or the want of integrity in the discharge of the duties of such an office or employment. (4.) Defamatory words falsely spoken of a party which prejudice such party in his or her profession or trade. (5.) Defamatory words falsely spoken of a person, which, though not in themselves actionable, occasion the party special damage. Your dedire to lie in order to damage someone is truly bizarre. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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