MPP hints at motion at Queens Park to make Toronto 11th Province

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't get it. Are you saying that being evasive doesn't make it easier for you to criticize without personal accountability? You can't get into a boxing match over the phone, sweetie.

Correct...you don't get it....sweetie.

[dizzy]

Correct...you don't get it....sweetie.

Okay, you don't want to answer. And yet your post frequency just jumped, like your heart rate. Don't worry, I don't care where you're from... I'm just making a point.

Back to toronto, feel free to come by sometime. I'd love to show you a good time in the most multicultural city in the world.

[bush_cheney2004]

Okay, you don't want to answer. And yet your post frequency just jumped, like your heart rate. Don't worry, I don't care where you're from... I'm just making a point.

What was your point? I am from.....AMERICA! (You know, where many of your doctors and nurses go.)

Back to toronto, feel free to come by sometime. I'd love to show you a good time in the most multicultural city in the world.

Sure it is....New York was "multicultural" 100 years before Trudeau "invented" it....LOL!

[dizzy]

What was your point? I am from.....AMERICA!

Just wondering why an 'american' who claims to be beyond us spends all of his nightlife as a keyboard warrior on canadian issues. I guess it will have to be a matter left between you and your priest...

[bush_cheney2004]

Just wondering why an 'american' who claims to be beyond us spends all of his nightlife as a keyboard warrior on canadian issues. I guess it will have to be a matter left between you and your priest...

Because I want to be the ugly American that you have in your mind....and dominates "Canadian" issues. Besides, NCAA basketball is done for the evening....Toronto wasn't invited.

[dizzy]

Because I want to be the ugly American that you have in your mind....and dominates "Canadian" issues. Besides, NCAA basketball is done for the evening....Toronto wasn't invited.

I don't have an 'ugly american' mystique in mind, I'm just talking to and about you, clearly on issues you don't want to answer but are spending time and effort not answering...

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't have an 'ugly american' mystique in mind, I'm just talking to and about you, clearly on issues you don't want to answer but are spending time and effort not answering...

But that's part of the game...because...you see...I haven't asked where you live, as I don't give a damn.

Toronto would still suck.

[dizzy]

But that's part of the game...because...you see...I haven't asked where you live, as I don't give a damn.

Toronto would still suck.

Game? passive aggressive rage isn't a game, it's just the internet. a world of lonely people being tough, but only when they're anonymous.

[bush_cheney2004]

Game? passive aggressive rage isn't a game, it's just the internet. a world of lonely people being tough, but only when they're anonymous.

Yes it is a game...and I play to win...laughs. Sometimes I crack myself up.

You wanna piece of me...huh...well...dooya?

[dizzy]

Yes it is a game...and I play to win...laughs. Sometimes I crack myself up.

You wanna piece of me...huh...well...dooya?

You play an anonymous character on an internet forum to 'win'...

[bush_cheney2004]

You play an anonymous character on an internet forum to 'win'...

We don't exactly know who the hell you are either....sweetie.

It's not important...except to you.

[dizzy]

We don't exactly know who the hell you are either....sweetie.

It's not important...except to you.

I'm guessing it's somehow important to you because you keep responding.

I'm only here occasionally, but when I'm here it's all me, baby!

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm guessing it's somehow important to you because you keep responding.

I'm only here occasionally, but when I'm here it's all me, baby!

You are just a rookie...and it shows. I'm waiting for an eBay auction to end.

[dizzy]

You are just a rookie...and it shows. I'm waiting for an eBay auction to end.

You're right, I am just a rookie... and you always have an excuse for why you're not doing something better with your life other than hanging with us lowly canucks. It's been fun, pumpkin!

[bush_cheney2004]

You're right, I am just a rookie... and you always have an excuse for why you're not doing something better with your life other than hanging with us lowly canucks. It's been fun, pumpkin!

Bye bye Junior....I've got more time and a faster broadband connection than you. Toodles.....

[Guest American Woman]

Washington I've been to 3 times and it's ok. The museums are good but were too Americentric for me

I hear ya, and I just hate it when that happens! Like when I went to China, and it was good but everything was too Chinese for me. What's up with that??

The capital of America "too Americentric."

:lol:

[nicky10013]

I hear ya, and I just hate it when that happens! Like when I went to China, and it was good but everything was too Chinese for me. What's up with that??

The capital of America "too Americentric."

:lol:

No, my comment is that a lot of museums carry a lot of stuff from around the world, which, when going to a museum, I'm sorry, isn't too big of an expectation. The Capital, the White House, the monuments aren't what I was talking about, more about the smithsonian's. There's cool stuff in there but even the ROM in Toronto I found had more interntaional content and they don't compare to the museums in Europe.

[Guest American Woman]

No, my comment is that a lot of museums carry a lot of stuff from around the world, which, when going to a museum, I'm sorry, isn't too big of an expectation. The Capital, the White House, the monuments aren't what I was talking about, more about the smithsonian's.

Generally speaking, when people visit a nation's capital, it's not to learn about the rest of the world. For example. I didn't visit Ottawa hoping to learn more about Europe or Asia, and I wasn't critical when I didn't. I found it to be very Canadian, and since I was in Canada, I found it to be just what I had expected/hoped for.

There's cool stuff in there but even the ROM in Toronto I found had more interntaional content and they don't compare to the museums in Europe.

Personally, having been to Toronto, Amsterdam, and Paris, the three cities you mentioned, I've never noticed that they were any less focused on their own history in museums comparable to the Smithsonian than Washington, D.C. is, but if the Smithsonian isn't what you're looking for, try visiting NYC or Chicago or any number of other American cities, then you'll find comparable museums.

In the meantime, the very names of most of the museums in the Smithsonian should tell you that it focuses on America, in America's capital.

[dizzy]

Personally, having been to Toronto, Amsterdam, and Paris, the three cities you mentioned, I've never noticed that they were any less focused on their own history in museums comparable to the Smithsonian than Washington, D.C. is, but if the Smithsonian isn't what you're looking for, try visiting NYC or Chicago or any number of other American cities, then you'll find comparable museums.

In the meantime, the very names of most of the museums in the Smithsonian should tell you that it focuses on America, in America's capital.

I pretty much agree. While the ROM's collection is built heavily on world history, the museum of civilization in ottawa focuses more on the canadian narrative. I'm guessing that national capitals like ottawa and washington will want to place greater emphasis on their own political histories.

Europe is different in this regard because they have had fluid borders filled with conquest and invasion, and a colonial history that has given them access to much of the world's treasures. But, while they have pieces from the rest of the world, I feel like they have been absorbed by the country holding them and are treated as national properties. The example that comes quickly to mind are the egyptian obelisks the dot Rome.

[Smallc]

Yes, much like in Washington D.C. is America centric, Ottawa is pretty Canada centric.

The Canadian Museum of Civilization

The Canadian Museum of Nature

The Canadian War Museum

The Currency Museum of the Bank of Canada

The National Gallery of Canada

The Royal Canadian Mint (collectors minting location)

Canada Agriculture Museum

Canada Science and Technology Museum

etc, etc, etc.

[groupeii]

http://www.thestar.com/yourcitymycity/article/780571--should-toronto-go-it-alone?bn=1

Interesting points by the author and commentators. Would allow the Ontario province to focus more on rural issues while Toronto could handle it's own urban issues. I personally like it as just within the borders of the "city of Toronto" 11 billion in GST and PST fly out the door. Being able to keep approximately 62% of that money would lead to a gigantic cash infusion that would lead to upgrades to services across the GTA. Creates the problem of "Where does Toronto end?" You'd have to include the 4 surrounding regions, possibly further.

Oh, have I mentioned yet that it'll NEVER happen? Oh well, it's an interesting discussion.

It actually might make more sense to have Northern Ontario join Manitoba. The same true of Northern Quebec, or just have

Northern Quebec and Manitoba turned into territories. They were originally. Northern Ontario was part of the North West Territories the district of Keewatin and Patricia etc.. It would probably be better administered as a territory with more scope and local representation. Southern Ontario is all mostly within 2 or 3 hours of Toronto, so it ain't that much of a gap but northern ontario is 7+ hours up to 15 or more hours from Toronto by car. Even after 100 years still some areas only have a few hundred or thousand people in them.

It might make sense administratively - but at the same time there are lots of developments that will hopefully be bringing in cash to the provinces coffers.

The GTA is expanding regardless, it is all the way to Guelph and Kitchener in terms of service such as go transit that is around 1 hour surrounding toronto by car within the External GTA sphere now. That is about 1/4 of Soutern Ontario and reaches all the way to Niagra Falls. BUffalo is a sister city of the Greater Toronto Sphere.

Eg. Have Ottawa join "Southern" Quebec or turned into a federal district that is connected to an enlarged Federal Algonkwin park.

Turn everything north of the trans Canada into the territory of New Ontario

A city state and "Federal Territories" version of Canada would work much better than a provincial model.

Edited March 23, 2010 by groupeii

[Smallc]

Yeah, sure. Lets just shred the Constitution while we're at it. Manitoba is the 5th most populous province. Why would Manitoba become a territory?

[Shakeyhands]

Where do you live?

Not that it really matters, butifmemory serves (and it doesn't always) I believeBC is from WI or MN... MN I think...

[nicky10013]

I pretty much agree. While the ROM's collection is built heavily on world history, the museum of civilization in ottawa focuses more on the canadian narrative. I'm guessing that national capitals like ottawa and washington will want to place greater emphasis on their own political histories.

Europe is different in this regard because they have had fluid borders filled with conquest and invasion, and a colonial history that has given them access to much of the world's treasures. But, while they have pieces from the rest of the world, I feel like they have been absorbed by the country holding them and are treated as national properties. The example that comes quickly to mind are the egyptian obelisks the dot Rome.

Never been to the museum of civilization.

Generally speaking, when people visit a nation's capital, it's not to learn about the rest of the world. For example. I didn't visit Ottawa hoping to learn more about Europe or Asia, and I wasn't critical when I didn't. I found it to be very Canadian, and since I was in Canada, I found it to be just what I had expected/hoped for.

Personally, having been to Toronto, Amsterdam, and Paris, the three cities you mentioned, I've never noticed that they were any less focused on their own history in museums comparable to the Smithsonian than Washington, D.C. is, but if the Smithsonian isn't what you're looking for, try visiting NYC or Chicago or any number of other American cities, then you'll find comparable museums.

I've been to both but never got to the museums which was a disappointment for me.

As for Toronto and Paris, the ROM focuses heavily on international themes. They have things from pretty much everywhere. There is Canadian content but it's heavily outweighed by things from abroad. For such a relatively small museum, the egyptian wing is really good. Everything in the big Paris museums are international in character. Everything, I found at least, was done more by date and period than where it comes from. The Louvre has a French Painting section, then again, some of the most known paintings are by French painters of French scenes, such as "Liberty Leading the People." I also have to distinguish between world renowned museums and going to DC. I agree, you go to a city to learn about it, but I wouldn't include major museums in that. That's all my point was. There's a difference between Musee D'Orsay and the Eiffel Tower.

In the meantime, the very names of most of the museums in the Smithsonian should tell you that it focuses on America, in America's capital.

Completely fair point.