Republicans Eat Obama Alive

[Alta4ever]

No, he isn't. Income doesn't make you wealthy. He makes alot of money, yes, good for him, but he isn't wealthy.

Umm yes income does make you wealthy, what you do with it can build asset or waste it.

[Smallc]

Umm yes income does make you wealthy, what you do with it can build asset or waste it.

if you spend all of your income, you don't stay wealthy. He could very well become wealthy, but it doesn't seem that he is right now. He has a lot of money to spend, but he doesn't have any wealth built up.

[Argus]

No, he isn't. Income doesn't make you wealthy. He makes alot of money, yes, good for him, but he isn't wealthy.

It is IRRELEVENT whether Biden is a mililonare or not because Biden does not fight for tax breaks for milionaires and against health care for the poor. There's nothing wrong with being a millionaire. It's using that safe base to then suggest that no public health care is necessary - because YOU don't need it which is hypocritical and distasteful.

[Smallc]

I agree, there's nothing wrong with being a millionaire. I was just pointing out that as of a couple years ago Biden wasn't one.

[Bonam]

I just watched the entire debate over the last couple days. The overall impression I get is that the Democrats have gone out of their way to include many ideas from the Republicans in the bill. I haven't really followed the health debate much at all up until I decided to catch up to speed by watching this thing.

Anyway, the one thing that puzzles me is that huge chunks of the bill are basically not in dispute. For example, measures to address fraud in healthcare, measures related to mitigating the impact of frivolous lawsuits on healthcare costs, etc. So given that there is this agreement, why not pass some of these measures as smaller, separate, legislation rather than betting everything on this behemoth of a bill? Continue to debate the more contentious issues but there is a lot that could have been passed already.

[bloodyminded]

You will excuse me if I intervene in this bunfight, now that it's over ... but as I tag along here, I get inceasingly bored by Punked's necessity of replaying the constant narrative ... Democrats good, Republicans bad ... like something sung at school, part of opening exercises.

Let's pretend that one of the benefits of being Canadian is that we don't have to beat each other over the heads over that bullshit.

The interesting thing about this is how the majority of the American public is resisting. Government medicine is being imposed on the public. The people don't trust it. They don't believe that the whatever million they claim are uninsured can be given insurance, and the cost go down, or even stabilize. Everything about it is illegit. There are tie-ins to drug companies, and other suppliers of medical supplies, there are fines for having a gold-plated plan, it provides state funding for abortions, people who don't buy in will face fines. It's really coercive.

Not only that, the thing was presented as an emergency measure, a thousand pages and more of dense legalese, a cubic foot of pulp, requiring immediate passage in a few days. Nobody seems to have read the whole thing, but the Senate Bill stripped the House version. Most Americans, it seems, compare it with what they're getting, and they don't like the deal.

I think that's the part that creeps Punked out. How can any one not want government medicine? Just the thought seems crazy to him. It's like not wanting government education ...

But, as Argus has pointed out, every poll (EVERY poll) done by every organization (EVERY organization) show that a majority of Americans want, in fact, universal health care.

If you don't believe me, do a google search. I did. I stopped after fifteen completely different polls...every single one of them showing the same basic results. Majority support for universal health care.

And yes, the results vary a lot, often depending on the way the questions are phrased and so on. But it always, without exception, retains majority support.

This alone doesn't argue for whether it's a good idea or not, it's true; but it does refute the continually-repeated refrain that "Americans don't want any government in their health care." Because they decidedly DO want it.

Edited March 3, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Alta4ever]

But, as Argus has pointed out, every poll (EVERY poll) done by every organization (EVERY organization) show that a majority of Americans want, in fact, universal health care.

But it doesn't mean they want it to be single payer, tax payer funded system.

[blueblood]

But it doesn't mean they want it to be single payer, tax payer funded system.

That poll would be like asking do Americans want a free car in their garage. The problem is there is a myth spreading down there that Universal Health Care = Free Health Care. I think that a similar proportion of Americans polled would vote negative concerning a tax hike to pay for this health care (among other things).

[Oleg Bach]

As the old biblical saying goes 'will Satan toss out Satan?' It just can not happen. To create a proper health care system you would have to remove the very spirit of AMERICA - greed...and the peak of high parasitic finance..The so-calle no-insurance , private insurance companies would all have to be removed - totally dismantled - and that would be like destroying the very thing your nation was originally built on. Mark my word - AMERICA will never chop off it's own hand to save the whole body..or poke out it's own decaying eye to save the good one..it simply is impossible. How can you have socialistic medicine that for the most part has always been an industry based on fraud - coercion and general theft - where like the military they charge you a 100 bucks for an asprine ...no one is going to give up that cash cow that a few parasites milk.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Charles Anthony
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[Bonam]

America already has real health care. Most of the world's most advanced new medical technology and pharmaceuticals come from America, technology that has allowed the detection and treatment of previously incurable diseases. Americans have access to some of the best health facilities in the world and the world's foremost specialists in just about every field of health care.

[scorpio]

Americans have access to some of the best health facilities in the world and the world's foremost specialists in just about every field of health care.

Not all of them

[bloodyminded]

That poll would be like asking do Americans want a free car in their garage. The problem is there is a myth spreading down there that Universal Health Care = Free Health Care. I think that a similar proportion of Americans polled would vote negative concerning a tax hike to pay for this health care (among other things).

It's true, that's exactly when the poll results change.

But still retain majority support.