Ontario

[PIK]

Small business is going to disappear, because of this . Small business has to now pay the tax up front, not when you sell it. So if you buy something for 100$ you pay the tax on it, if you have to sell it at a lower sale price ,you lose money, if someone steals it you have lost more money.Which measn on 500G's in stock you will need 40 -50 g's of cash flow to pay up front amd most small business's don't have a cash flow like that , it is going to be a killer.

[Muddy]

I feel for seniour citizens who thought because they kept their noses to the grind stone and shoulder to the wheel they were being responsible for their old age needs.They paid off their homes. They saved and went without . Now at seventy years of age they have to think about finding a job if they are healthy enough to have that option. I am anold fart ,but I am fortunate that I built my own business ,and now they can1t figure out how to get rid of me. I come in at seven and get in the way then go home at twelve. So I am OK jack! But I really feel for some of my Pals. Good honest hard working souls ,who now pay more in property tax than what their mortgages were. Revenue neutral my hairy bottom. Lies and more lies.

[Topaz]

I feel for seniour citizens who thought because they kept their noses to the grind stone and shoulder to the wheel they were being responsible for their old age needs.They paid off their homes. They saved and went without . Now at seventy years of age they have to think about finding a job if they are healthy enough to have that option. I am anold fart ,but I am fortunate that I built my own business ,and now they can1t figure out how to get rid of me. I come in at seven and get in the way then go home at twelve. So I am OK jack! But I really feel for some of my Pals. Good honest hard working souls ,who now pay more in property tax than what their mortgages were. Revenue neutral my hairy bottom. Lies and more lies.

I agree with you 100%.The low and middle seniors are going to find it stuff and some may have to sell their homes to survive. We have Hydro One, and this month bill the actual hydro used only came to $59.27 BUT delivery came to 62.98,regulatory charges6.98, debt retirement charge-6.53 GST $6.78 grand total of 142.43 and they have me paying $164 per month and we have the smart meter. I don't think they will ever pay off that debt on hydro, they make the mistakes and we all pay for it! As far as seniors or even people 50, its really hard to get a job because of your age and even though its against the law to not hire someone because of their age, that is what alot of lay off or people who lost their jobs are experiencing.

[jbg]

I thought the HST was designed to make Canadians sing in harmony.

[Bonam]

Like I said before, all those fancy social services gotta be paid for. You get what you ask for. All those seniors who won't be able to afford whatever I'm sure will qualify for some social program that will help them out, which in turn means taxes will have to be raised some more somewhere else to pay for those programs. Vicious cycle of ever increasing taxation and government control.

[jbg]

Not Socialism...Corporatism!

Jack -

Almost all modern-day "socialism" is rooted in European corporatism that emerged during the era of royalty. The concept was that the King took care of the people and made all of the decisions.

After the French Revolution a modern skin had to be put on the concept, so Karl Marx's lingo was borrowed. Voila, it's "socialism", but in reality it's nothing more than old-fashioned corporatism. With a modern name. The Americas were and are different. We're an individualistic society.

My view of history is that in general, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Borg]

Well, its seems the HST will hit Ontarians in their pocket book by increasing the hydro and gas bills by $250.00 per year.

The On. govt has said they will give us $1000-2000.00 to help off set the expense

Well, voters get what they deserve

Governments cannot give to anyone without taking from someone else first - nice redistribution of wealth - take from the working stiff and give to those who do not or cannot.

Seems that cracker Squinty used to say it would be revenue neutral - and people believed him

Too funny

Borg

[lubpop]

We are facing the same HST increase in BC.

People who earn less $20000 seem to get some extra benefits from the government. The people who earn $20000 to $50000 have very few benefits. They are the ones who pay most of the taxes that the government collects. They are the ones who will be hurt the most by this regressive tax and they are the ones who least afford this added tax.

We need taxes to pay for our health, education, roads etc, but lets be fair. Spending billions on Olympics in BC and billion for security of the G8 and G20 is totally misdirected spending. HST is just another way of getting extra taxes to pay for this. Cuts in services would be unnecessary if these outlandish spending were not made.

[madmax]

Well, voters get what they deserve

Governments cannot give to anyone without taking from someone else first - nice redistribution of wealth - take from the working stiff and give to those who do not or cannot.

Seems that cracker Squinty used to say it would be revenue neutral - and people believed him

Too funny

Borg

Conservative and Liberal MPs have been selling the HST to the business community and general public.

Hudaks running around like a jackass afraid to talk to big brother.

The governments are giving nice breaks, to the tune of 15 Billion to corps and banks and insurance companies.

The puppeteer in this is Stephen Harper. McGuinty is a follower, and not going to turn his back on $4.3 Billion in Harpers Bribe monies.

Flaherty loves the HST .... the grinning idiot.

The working stiff sided with the government and the HST long ago with their silence.

Enjoy it.... more people are going to be affected by the HSt then the school kerfuffle Mcguinty backtracked on.

Seriously, if the HST was a major burden on the public we would hear... ok... it is a burden and the government will hear, but too late.

You think Hiding Hudak is going to do anything any differently? The taxing of the middle class and removal of burden upon the upperclass and corporations has always been the Conservative idealogy.

[madmax]

We are facing the same HST increase in BC.

People who earn less $20000 seem to get some extra benefits from the government. The people who earn $20000 to $50000 have very few benefits. They are the ones who pay most of the taxes that the government collects. They are the ones who will be hurt the most by this regressive tax and they are the ones who least afford this added tax.

We need taxes to pay for our health, education, roads etc, but lets be fair. Spending billions on Olympics in BC and billion for security of the G8 and G20 is totally misdirected spending. HST is just another way of getting extra taxes to pay for this. Cuts in services would be unnecessary if these outlandish spending were not made.

I agree with much of your post. ANd no doubt the burden has shifted to the middleclass. To think those under $20,000 are going to benefit from this tax means you believe the government.

The only ones benefiting from the HST is the Government, followed by some businesses and the very wealthy. Those who can afford to pay will get a tax holiday.

[Wayne McQ.]

Sadly the sheeplies in Ontario have no recourse to paying this tax transfer from the corporate sector to consumers. We in BC at least have Recall legislation to make our politicians accountable to the people. Sadly still is that the corporation who will benefit from this tax transfer do not keep their money in Canada where they will ever have to pay their due, but instead they operate off-shore where they can be assured that the governments of the West cannot hold them accountable for taxes due. These corporate welfare bums have politicians who are bought and paid for so that they can transfer their manufacturing operations to Third World countries and have been allowed to avoid paying their fair share of of the social safety nets for those countries who have lost those manufacturing jobs. That has to change if we are to survive with livable wages and benefits to support our own people.

[Wilber]

I agree with much of your post. ANd no doubt the burden has shifted to the middleclass. To think those under $20,000 are going to benefit from this tax means you believe the government.

The only ones benefiting from the HST is the Government, followed by some businesses and the very wealthy. Those who can afford to pay will get a tax holiday.

d

And Washington State merchants. It was on the news last night that once the BC HST takes effect, BC residents will not be subject to Washington State sales tax which is 8.5%. They do the same thing for Alaska residents. Look for even bigger lineups at the border.

Edited June 9, 2010 by Wilber

[PIK]

You can't trust a politician that does not age.

[madmax]

You can't trust a politician that does not age.

LOL....

There goes Harper and McGuinty.