Wilders on Trial

[JB Globe]

Why stick to Geert Wilders? Is he alone in his views on Islam? Of course not.

Ever notice that all of the so-called authoritative sources on Islam that you put on a pedestal don't have any expertise in Islamic Theology?

Did you ever think that the reason why no experts on Islam agree with your positions might be because they are false?

[JB Globe]

And as mentioned, Wilders said it would never happen...wanting more to say such a thing for the effect it caused...which got the violent reaction he was after.

Exactly - he's deliberately being inflammatory to try and provoke a response from a segment of the population that will help his political position.

This is exactly what radical Imams did in the wake of the Danish newspaper cartoons - they deliberately stirred up outrage in order to bring more to their flock.

In that sense, Geertie isn't any better than they are, and actually has the same goal in mind - deliberately provoke a situation which closely resembles a "Clash of Civilization" so that you can rally more troops to your flag, and push the kinds of changes you want through society.

Essentially, White Nationalists and Radical Islamists are two sides of the same coin - they absolutely cannot achieve their goals peacefully, because no one would subscribe to them who lives in a peaceful world - they NEED conflict in order to get things done, hence why they provoke it whenever possible by being deliberately inflammatory and coming as close to endorsing violence as legally possible.

[DogOnPorch]

Exactly - he's deliberately being inflammatory to try and provoke a response from a segment of the population that will help his political position.

This is exactly what radical Imams did in the wake of the Danish newspaper cartoons - they deliberately stirred up outrage in order to bring more to their flock.

In that sense, Geertie isn't any better than they are, and actually has the same goal in mind - deliberately provoke a situation which closely resembles a "Clash of Civilization" so that you can rally more troops to your flag, and push the kinds of changes you want through society.

Essentially, White Nationalists and Radical Islamists are two sides of the same coin - they absolutely cannot achieve their goals peacefully, because no one would subscribe to them who lives in a peaceful world - they NEED conflict in order to get things done, hence why they provoke it whenever possible by being deliberately inflammatory and coming as close to endorsing violence as legally possible.

Care to point out where Geert Wilders has used violence to move forward his pro-Dutch policies? Three examples should be easy enough to locate and link...right?

[DogOnPorch]

One example?

[JB Globe]

Care to point out where Geert Wilders has used violence to move forward his pro-Dutch policies?

Care to point out where I claimed Geertie used violence to promote his agenda?

[ToadBrother]

Banning the Qu'ran is obviously not warranted. Everyone should have the opportunity to see and laugh at these kinds of religious books for themselves. As mentioned, any attempt to ban it would be futile anyway, since you can find it easily on the web. Drastically reducing Muslim immigration to Western countries though is something that should be looked at more closely.

Wilders isn't infallible, obviously not all of his proposals make sense (such as banning the book), but he makes many valid points and certainly doesn't deserve to be imprisoned for speaking out.

I'll agree with the last point, he does not deserve to be imprisoned. But he's still racist scum.

[Bonam]

I'll agree with the last point, he does not deserve to be imprisoned. But he's still racist scum.

Muslims aren't a "race".

[DogOnPorch]

Muslims aren't a "race".

Quite correct. Yvonne Ridley is as white as they come...and quite the loopy radical Israel hater herself. But she gets a pass in the media no matter what she blurts out.

Plus 'racist' is such a loaded word. It's not like Wilders and his fellow politicians haven't had run-ins with these Islamic radicals both at home and abroad. They openly call for his death...fearless of the law by appearances. They've succeded in other cases. The Netherlands has a small population in a small area. Islamification, to use the term...is a more concentrated 'thing' than over here in Canada. I would think that might really colour the ol' atmosphere in regards to how one views Islam as a whole.

[DogOnPorch]

Care to point out where I claimed Geertie used violence to promote his agenda?

I'm assuming you prefer think Wilders is a 'white nationalist' rather than pro-Dutch. Do you also characterize Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a 'white nationalist'?

Essentially, White Nationalists and Radical Islamists are two sides of the same coin - they absolutely cannot achieve their goals peacefully, because no one would subscribe to them who lives in a peaceful world - they NEED conflict in order to get things done, hence why they provoke it whenever possible by being deliberately inflammatory and coming as close to endorsing violence as legally possible.

[ToadBrother]

Muslims aren't a "race".

This is just pointless semantics. Fine, if you want to play that way, he is a vulgar, evil bigot. I still don't want him shut up. I think vulgar, evil bigots should be allowed to show just what inhuman monsters they really are.

[DogOnPorch]

This is just pointless semantics. Fine, if you want to play that way, he is a vulgar, evil bigot. I still don't want him shut up. I think vulgar, evil bigots should be allowed to show just what inhuman monsters they really are.

Are you saying Islam is, infact, a race then? If it's pointless semantics...

[Oleg Bach]

HATE is a family attribute. It is intergenerational. Some are brought up to be possitive and show grace and love to all- in some families it is natural to love and tolerate..in other traditions- hate is instituted and passed down from generation to generation- we all know loving families and we all know some haters---what are we to do- execute the haters on mass? That would make us facilitators of hate and assist in it's growth- hate is useless but it is not a crime..because about forty percent of people hate.

[ToadBrother]

Are you saying Islam is, infact, a race then? If it's pointless semantics...

I'm saying the term "racist" has become more expansive than the vague notions of Victorian-era races.

[DogOnPorch]

If you can find a interview or video where Wilders uses hate as a platform...by all means, show it.

[DogOnPorch]

I'm saying the term "racist" has become more expansive than the vague notions of Victorian-era races.

So that's a 'yes' then. In your books, Islam is a race. How about Christianity? Scientology? Moonies? Satanists?

[Oleg Bach]

I'm saying the term "racist" has become more expansive than the vague notions of Victorian-era races.

Racism is like an old family feud. For instance- it is argued whether the Jews are a race or a religion? I would say because of their racist breeding policy that they are now offically a seperate race as are the Islamics...so in fact they are two seperate families who are tossing rocks at each other for eons.

[DogOnPorch]

Racism is like an old family feud. For instance- it is argued whether the Jews are a race or a religion? I would say because of their racist breeding policy that they are now offically a seperate race as are the Islamics...so in fact they are two seperate families who are tossing rocks at each other for eons.

That's nice. It's completely false...but nice. Sammy Davis Jr was Jewish.

[Oleg Bach]

That's nice. It's completely false...but nice. Sammy Davis Jr was Jewish.

TAKE those thousands of black jews in Africa who want to immigrate to Israel for a better life- the so-called white jews don't want them or they would be there by now.

[DogOnPorch]

TAKE those thousands of black jews in Africa who want to immigrate to Israel for a better life- the so-called white jews don't want them or they would be there by now.

Yeah, right, Oleg. Tel Aviv is a cosmopolitan city with folks living there from around the planet. Amazing you know what millions of people want or think. Again...you're wrong...but you usually are. More vodka should clear things up for you.

[ToadBrother]

So that's a 'yes' then. In your books, Islam is a race. How about Christianity? Scientology? Moonies? Satanists?

No, I said the term is much more expansive than it once was. Do you have some sort of comprehension issues, perhaps from a stroke or sharp knock to the head, that I should know about?

[DogOnPorch]

No, I said the term is much more expansive than it once was. Do you have some sort of comprehension issues, perhaps from a stroke or sharp knock to the head, that I should know about?

Like it or not, religion is not a race. Nice that you felt that you had to take a personal swipe at me. So, is the war of words on? Shall I start calling you names now?

Nahhhh....I leave that to you.

spit

[ToadBrother]

Like it or not, religion is not a race. Nice that you felt that you had to take a personal swipe at me. So, is the war of words on? Shall I start calling you names now?

Nahhhh....I leave that to you.

I clearly said the phrase "the term is more expansive". You either didn't read it, or you couldn't comprehend it. Perhaps you could give me another explanation as to why your rejoinder seemed to completely ignore what I had said. I'd gladly accept one that didn't make you look stupid.

[DogOnPorch]

You're the bright-light that hopped on in crying racism. Seems your mind was already made up. Does it make you feel like big man to do such a thing? Better than others? Meanwhile, like it or not, RELIGION is not a RACE.

[ToadBrother]

You're the bright-light that hopped on in crying racism. Seems your mind was already made up. Does it make you feel like big man to do such a thing? Better than others? Meanwhile, like it or not, RELIGION is not a RACE.

Ah, I see, you're suffering another stroke.

[Oleg Bach]

Yeah, right, Oleg. Tel Aviv is a cosmopolitan city with folks living there from around the planet. Amazing you know what millions of people want or think. Again...you're wrong...but you usually are. More vodka should clear things up for you.

For a supposed intellectual superior you always take the cheap shot..have another cheap Canadian beer or maybe a glass of phoney wine you can sip with your phoney friends---you do not know me or my supposed habits well enough to insult me.. If you honestly believe that the Jewish establishment is not racist or functions in a sense of human secular superiority then you are naive-- I go by what I personally witness not as you do by propoganda...