Wilders on Trial

[bush_cheney2004]

Did it "poorly" even as "he didn't do that."

Your confused contradictions are fun for me.

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tag [.../quote] tag...you're welcome.

Edited March 8, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[bloodyminded]

See

tag [.../quote] tag...you're welcome.

Yes, I understand that pedantic adherence to spell-it-out formality matters so very, very much...even though I understood he was quoting immediately (even if you didn't). I guess these things are easier to grasp for readers, but confusing for enthusiasts of NASCAR and rape porn.

[bush_cheney2004]

ame='bush_cheney2004' date='07 March 2010 - 08:34 PM' timestamp='1268017568' post='517382']

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Yes, I understand that pedantic adherence to spell-it-out formality matters so very, very much...even though I understood he was quoting immediately (even if you didn't). I guess these things are easier to grasp for readers, but confusing for enthusiasts of NASCAR and rape porn.

What you understand is irrelevant...it was my post, Francis. Tough titty for you.

[DogOnPorch]

Shallow and pedantic.

[bloodyminded]

What you understand is irrelevant...it was my post, Francis. Tough titty for you.

Hey, you're the defensive little patriot, not me.

[bush_cheney2004]

Hey, you're the defensive little patriot, not me.

Better that than a commie without a country.

[bloodyminded]

Better that than a commie without a country.

Communist countries tend to breed chest-thumping hyperpatriots as well. You're much more like them then I am.

[bush_cheney2004]

Communist countries tend to breed chest-thumping hyperpatriots as well. You're much more like them then I am.

But remember...you don't have a country...so try again.

[bloodyminded]

But remember...you don't have a country...so try again.

You mean, comrade, since I'm not continually insulting everyody out of some laughable sense of wounded patriotism--like yourself, for example--I don't have a country. Awesome theory.

[bush_cheney2004]

You mean, comrade, since I'm not continually insulting everyody out of some laughable sense of wounded patriotism--like yourself, for example--I don't have a country. Awesome theory.

Your twisted reasons are your own...even as you live in the comfort provided by patriots and nationalists.

[bloodyminded]

Your twisted reasons are your own...even as you live in the comfort provided by patriots and nationalists.

Finally the "morals are irrelevant" troll shows an exposed nerve, and gets sanctimonious on us.

[Peter F]

We are, in effect, selecting our neighbours.

What are you going on about here? Are you suggesting I should be able to say who can or cannot move into my neighbourhood? That I should actually have the power to say who can or cannot buy the lot of land adjacent to mine? Or rent the apartment across the hall?

We do not get to select our neighbours. We get to select to move out, of course, but we don't select who moves in.

If you got to select who would live on your street would you choose a bunch of bible-thumping, god-fearing southern baptists who hate Jews and Gays and think womens place is in the home? I'm betting - nope.

And again, I do not get that selection. But...If I did I would pray to god above for you to place a massively huge sum of money, for you would lose it.

Yet because Muslims generally have brown skin, the fact their social views are, if anything, about a century behind those bible-thumping baptists causes you to not care at all how many hundreds of thousands of them come in to live among us.

Exactly...except for the skin colour part...and also except for the religous part. Oh, yeah; and the social views part...and the numbers.

[Peter F]

No, but I think you have...all Muslims do not have "brown skin".

Argus did claim that it was the generalness of Muslims having brown skin (amongst other things) as the reason I would accept them as neighbours. The unwritten implication of his statement is that if it wasn't for Muslims generally having brown skin, I would not accept them as my neighbours. Which is to say that I am in fact a racist in that browness (generally speaking) is a determining factor in how I treat people. If they have browness (generally speaking)then I am nice to them. If they have no browness (generally speaking) then I am not nice to them.

IE: I hate white folks.

But as usual, he's too much of a chicken-shit to actually say that. So, in typical bigot fashion, he simply implies it.

[DogOnPorch]

RT interview of Wilders in the UK...dated today.

Edited March 8, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[Peter F]

RT interview of Wilders in the UK...dated today.

Re the youtube entry above "Ban the koran? Geert Wilders speaks out on his-"

3:14

Q: There is certainly one person who would disagree with you: Dr.mohammed kahir al-qadri, who is a muslim cleric, has issued a fatwa against terrorism through his own reading and interpretation of the koran. Is that a move that you support?

[she refers here to this guy at Fatwa on terrorism. I particularly recommend watching the bit from 2:44 of tape 5].

A: Well, you know, there is no room for much interpretation when it comes to the koran and sharia, it is written in the book and muslims believe its the word of Allah and its not to be interpreted. Its a difference for instance with the old or the new testament. And also people forget about the doctrine of Taqqiya. Taqqiya means that muslims that are living - its an islamic concept, I didn't not invent it myself - if muslims are living under muslim rule but especially under non-muslim rule in non-muslim countries, they can lie. I'm not saying that all muslims are liars, that would be rediculous, but they are allowed to fool ones society and to lie about it. For instance if a muslim beleives that homosexuality is something that should be punished if asked that question, he would give the politically correct answer and say 'this is not true' or 'we should accept it' and I promise you as long - as soon! - as Islam becomes more prominent - it doesn't even have to be dominant - that they will change their tune. So I'm not saying that its a bad thing what this Imam said but believing him is something entirely different.

And here the Bigotry is revealed.

Muslims, you see, will lie to you. Anything good a muslim says or does cannot be trusted. Their good words and deeds are bullshit.

Don't get him wrong! He's not saying that all muslims are liars - but when they become prominent they will change their tune.

No, Geert, I understand. You're not saying Muslims are liars (because that would after all be rediculous) you're only saying that muslims are lying.

There is nothing a muslim can do. No matter how peacefull they are; no matter how much they condemn violence; no matter what they write, do, or say; or for how long they do such: They are being decietful.

Steyn made the same bullshit argument with his even peacefull law-abiding non-violent muslims 'secretly' support terrorism.

Muslims are bad folk even if they appear good folk. Thier actions mean nothing.

To be a muslim to be bad.

Edited March 10, 2010 by Peter F

[DogOnPorch]

Three parts...

[bloodyminded]

Three parts...

I appreciate your posting the Steyn video, because once again, he exposes himself as a servile little nationalist who adores notions of Western powers ruling through force and brutality.

He's quite explicit about this, if one listens to him seriously, rather than nodding along and masturbating to his unfortunate rhetoric. (I'm not naming names here...just saying that...someone posted this video, in evident appreciation of its glorification of self-adulation and bigotry. )

His views on the British Empire--which was forged through arrogant brutality, force, coercion, racism, and untrammelled greed--can be heard right before the 2-minute mark in this video, and then again around the 4-minute mark.

A wonderful thing, this history of slaughter and slavery and nationalist excesses. It's all positive, in Steyn's considered view.

And how does he know this? Why, because as a ruddy-faced British youth, his teacher would point proudly to all the red areas on the map, which signified British exploitation and violence around the globe.

What a sordid little dink, yes? Yes.

Later in the video, her excoriates anti-war protesters as ridiculous--totally related to "multiculturalism," for some reason; presumably, anyone not under the deep, dark spell of multiculturalism will automatically think all Western-led wars are inherently glorious.

You know, the standard view of the shrinking little coward.

(For some unstated reason, tea-party protesters are absolved of all the innate sins of the protester.)

Steyn is here preaching obedience to the State as a primary virtue. No doubt his teacher beat that opinion into him with a strap across his ass, in that old British martial tradition of punishing young boys' buttocks.

Edited March 13, 2010 by bloodyminded

[DogOnPorch]

Settle down there, Wavy Gravy. Haight-Ashbury is that-a-way.

[Argus]

What are you going on about here? Are you suggesting I should be able to say who can or cannot move into my neighbourhood?

We ARE selecting who moves into our neighborhood.

We do not get to select our neighbours. We get to select to move out, of course, but we don't select who moves in.

You really have a narrowly focused mind, don't you?

Are you suggesting we have no right to say who comes to settle in Canada?

And again, I do not get that selection. But...If I did I would pray to god above for you to place a massively huge sum of money, for you would lose it.

Riiiight. Because you are incapable of making any judgements on whether it would be more comfortable for you to live amongst a group of bible-thumping born-agains Christian fundamentalists or whether you would prefer to live amongst a more secular crowd.

Exactly...except for the skin colour part...and also except for the religous part. Oh, yeah; and the social views part...and the numbers.

So Muslims don't have more backwards views towards women and homosexuals than secular Canadians?

[Argus]

But as usual, he's too much of a chicken-shit to actually say that. So, in typical bigot fashion, he simply implies it.

Off your meds again, eh?

Let me state it as bold as brass. You're the worst kind of bigot. You're a bigot who doesn't expect "brown people" to live up to the expectations you have of white people. You make excuses for misbehaviour of every imaginable part because you see it as your job to protect "brown people" in a paternalistic, head-patting fashion, from what you consider the unfair judgement of white people.

Brown people, in your mind, are so inferior, that we have to tolerate whatever they do because they're simply incapable of meeting the standards we hold white people to.

As for me, because I ignore skin pigmentation but judge all peoples everywhere by the same standards, you're outraged and call me the bigot for not being as "tolerant" and "understanding" of the "issues" they face.

Clear enough?

[wyly]

So Muslims don't have more backwards views towards women and homosexuals than secular Canadians?

that descibes my very white atheist brother too as well as millions of other white conservative canadians of many faiths....

[DogOnPorch]

Let's test that theory of yours...in theory.

You've got a Gay Pride Parade ready to go...and you can 'drop it' into any city on the planet. Are the results of this 'dropping-in' going to be the same in Toronto as in Tehran? Mecca?? Are these 'white Canadian conservatives' going to get upset? Violent? Murderous? If so...give examples.

[wyly]

Let's test that theory of yours...in theory.

You've got a Gay Pride Parade ready to go...and you can 'drop it' into any city on the planet. Are the results of this 'dropping-in' going to be the same in Toronto as in Tehran? Mecca?? Are these 'white Canadian conservatives' going to get upset? Violent? Murderous? If so...give examples.

only our laws prevent open attacks...coincidently last evening I'm reading my G&M in my favourite coffee shop and what is the teenage discussion on the next table to me about? beating gay kids...and this isn't unusual my teenagers tell me abusing gay kids is a hobby for some of their schoolmates...

[DogOnPorch]

I'm reading my G&M in my favourite coffee shop and what is the teenage discussion on the next table to me about? beating gay kids

Were these apparent teenagers white and conservative as well?

coincidently

I'll say.

...and this isn't unusual my teenagers tell me abusing gay kids is a hobby for some of their schoolmates...

More white conservative teens?

only our laws prevent open attacks

I see...yes...the caveman days were brutal. Well...without laws re: assault and murder, no doubt there'd be open attacks on any ol' body regardless of sexual preference.

[Argus]

that descibes my very white atheist brother too as well as millions of other white conservative canadians of many faiths....

While it's certainly true millions of those evil white conservative types have less open-minded views towards gays I rather doubt a sizeable number feel the appropriate remedy for their discomfort is to kill them. Likewise while some surely are less appreciative of female equality I don't think any of them would shove girls back into a burning building because they weren't dressed conservatively enough.