Harper scores victory over ''buy american program''

[jbg]

Foreign ownership of damned near everything is up. A great business environment was created, however it was not in the best interest of this nation by a long shot.

And how much development capital of its own did Canada have?

[William Ashley]

You described the NEP to a tee. And why Mulroney got a thumping majority when elected.

I'm not saying we can't export oil, I am saying that we ought to supply our own gasoline and other petrochemicals. Canada should be able to meet domestic demand in these products without importing them.

As I stated there is a life cycle to even oil which wouldn't inhibited non domestically used reserves.

Canada should offer low price oil to Canadians First... if there is something left over after domestic demand is met it can be traded but currently we don't even produce to meet our domestic demand, then we pay out more money for finished products that employ foreigners for lost Canadian jobs, and lost self sufficiency.

It ain't the National Energy Program, so stop trying to attach negative sentiment to a bad idea by mindless rhetoric.

By stating "Exports can be weened", I mean that we can assure local resources to Canadians rather than importing finished

products from foreign companies made with our exports. There is a margin of self sufficiency that Canadians arn't meeting

and there is far too high a level of unemployment, or low income employment that could be enhanced by domestic sufficiency. As sufficiency increases, some exports may reduce, this doesn't equal lost profit, it means trading for goods with higher revenue potentials.

There are certain companies we don't want to give foreign ownership to. Natural Resources is far more important in todays global media age than communications companies. So I don't understand how they can be foreign asset protected while our lakes rivers and forests aren't.

There is nothing wrong with foreign partnership, but is Canada in command of cheyene mountain, no. So why should America be in charge of Sudbury mines.

There is nothing wrong with Canada investing in ever more extensive commodities, it is sound business.

Look at commodity prices - which ones have gone down in value over the last 10 years?

Canada should supply its own materials. There is no reason why Canadians can't compete with American manufacturing. It is a shame that Canada relies on American manufacturing for some products that it could otherwise produce itself. Does America do that - NO. So why should Canada. You go to stores in the USA you see made in the USA, you go to stores in Canada you see usually countries except for made in Canada. Most processed agricultural products are American - and that is a shame. You have the odd - packaged in Toronto etc.. but the product isn't even Canadians just boxed here and sold as if it is a Canadian product. Almost all brands are American brands - where are the Canadian products? Are Canadians goods no good. I don't beleive that, Canadians should have the choice, and it is a good thing if Canadians start supporting Canadians, rather than helping a country out for itself, the US isn't loyal to Canada, so Canada need not put their profit to America.

Edited February 14, 2010 by William Ashley

[jbg]

I'm not saying we can't export oil, I am saying that we ought to supply our own gasoline and other petrochemicals. Canada should be able to meet domestic demand in these products without importing them.

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There is nothing wrong with Canada investing in ever more extensive commodities, it is sound business.

Look at commodity prices - which ones have gone down in value over the last 10 years?

Canada should supply its own materials.

I guess you know nothing about how commodities work. They are bulky. It makes no sense to move Canadian oil from Alberta to Toronto. Far better to ship it to the Western U.S. and import on the Eastern end. Why would you want to drive up costs with useless shipping and handling expenses?

It ain't the National Energy Program, so stop trying to attach negative sentiment to a bad idea by mindless rhetoric.

How is your idea different?

There is no reason why Canadians can't compete with American manufacturing. It is a shame that Canada relies on American manufacturing for some products that it could otherwise produce itself. Does America do that - NO. So why should Canada. You go to stores in the USA you see made in the USA, you go to stores in Canada you see usually countries except for made in Canada. Most processed agricultural products are American - and that is a shame. You have the odd - packaged in Toronto etc.. but the product isn't even Canadians just boxed here and sold as if it is a Canadian product. Almost all brands are American brands - where are the Canadian products? Are Canadians goods no good. I don't beleive that, Canadians should have the choice, and it is a good thing if Canadians start supporting Canadians, rather than helping a country out for itself, the US isn't loyal to Canada, so Canada need not put their profit to America.

Canada does all the time. That's what CAFTA and NAFTA are all about. One giant free trade zone. I guess you're too blinkered by your anti-Americanism to understand that.

[William Ashley]

I guess you know nothing about how commodities work.

They occur - and get extracted - They get packaged, people acquire them by contract from the people who packaged them. They get delivered . They may be used or stored for later use afterwards. Is there more to it.

They are bulky.

Some are.

It makes no sense to move Canadian oil from Alberta to Toronto.

Did I say anything about moving Alberta oil to Toronto? I'm someone who favors localization. When the word Canada is used it doesn't equate only Toronto, it equates all regions of Canada. Your statement plays as nothing more than inflammatory. What don't you understand about meeting thresholds for meeting Canadian demand with Canadian products, Alberta's oil has very little to do with that. While Toronto does have some demand, it makes a lot more sense to move Alberta's oil to Toronto than from Newfoundland or California. Although local supplies where efficient make more sense. In comparison to most other continental sources of Oil - Alberta actually is the place Toronto should be getting their oil in terms of major developments. Is there somewhere closer?

Far better to ship it to the Western U.S. and import on the Eastern end.

Alberta is closer than California the only benefit is potentially cheaper extraction costs. - You are paying for it

anyway so why not increase the efficency of use by having refineries near the oilsands themselves to actually process the materials there, then ship them. Where the price of extraction can be recouperated by refining of jet fuels and gasoline, as well as other products. Why instead ship it to the US so they can get the real value - the real money in oil is in refining not extraction.

Why would you want to drive up costs with useless shipping and handling expenses?

You make no sense. There is a shorter distance to cover from Alberta than California.

Where else ware you getting it?

How is your idea different?

How is it the same? Here is how it is different. It isn't price control. It would merely

offer first go at contracts to Canadian companies and individuals for commodities purchases.

A certain strategic reserve would be kept by the government - and once established the

programs quota would be met by the government offer contract to Canadian companies.

As long as the reserve was met then there would be no obligations put to Canadian companies.

This would cause no harm to Canadian Companies -instead it would stimulate and increase

the cost of materials initially, with demand going up. All it is is establishing a

sizable strategic reserve over time, there is a maximum extent. It would simply

set the government as a cushion for the resource sector. To provide for an extra edge

in market controls to at least in some ways benefit stability in volatile resource industries which are often shocked by periods of reduced demand. There are some communities that are single resource industry towns. With any short term collapse then those towns fail and skilled labour becomes displaced. There are many reasons. With the inflationary aspects of commodities , especially rare commodities the program would pay for itself, and insure a strong resource industry.

Likewise businesses would not be as effected by volatility in the commodities markets for securing contracts in domestic commodities.

It isn't the NEP, it has very little to do with energy it is the CCR (Canadian commodities reserve)

Canada does all the time. That's what CAFTA and NAFTA are all about. One giant free trade zone. I guess you're too blinkered by your anti-Americanism to understand that.

If the programs were actually followed by our partners it wouldn't be as issued. Honestly though I don't support Nafta as it exists, it gives to much freedom to foreign industries without assurances of protections. Cases like US steel are just some instances of sacrificing Canadian Productivity and profit for US interests. Trade is not problematic but I think it is only fair that citizens on both sides of the borders arn't pawns for corporate profits - the big picture does matter, and while companies can fail without being foreign owned, it is easier to have protections from breaches of contracts in domestic bodies.

The easy way around this that does very little is allow citizenship to be purchased along with a test and a background check. Then only let Canadians have majority legal power in corporations in Canada. If the companies and people honestly care about Canadians they will become one, and respect their laws. This isn't happening under NAFTA. Canadians need more protections.

The dissolving of borders ain't free trade, it is breach of sovereign law for a privileged class of persons, by virtue of dollars - we need not allow aliens to buy our land, there ought to be a domestic interest in what aliens do in our country. I think it is a consensus of the population both in Canada and the US that they don't want aliens owning their land, and having their countrymen as pawns of their game. These are real peoples lives effected by closures and shut downs.

The CCR would remedy the up and down cycle of these peoples employment and ongoing productivity.

Free trade is not the enemy- trade is ok, but free trade ought to only apply when domestic interests aren't harmed by allowing it.

That is why setting quotas and restrictions should exist to buffer from damage to industry and citizenry.

This doesn't mean free trade can't exist - it does mean we ought to have protection from damage to our economy and people. I think most citizens of any country would agree to that. If you don't why not?

Here is an article on in relation to the oil aspects:

http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2008/02/06/does-canada-need-a-strategic-petroleum-reserve/

My proposition is a broad based commodities reserve - that would actually make money if commodities continued to rise in prices. That seems to be the perpetual trend - so it would generate immense government revenue over time. It would offer stability by buying when local markets were low or depressed - which is the best time - as this is when industries will start laying off local work forces or closing down, when demand has disappeared. There is a demand threshold that varies from region to region. This would keep Canadians with work - lowering demand on EI and welfare, and help increase productivity due to boom growth which could be maintained. Supposing that there was still some demand for product. Prices would be kept lower for Canadians through the reserves, and offer more stability from uncertainties.

Controls over imports by tariffs mean that the reserve can be liquidated or the excesses could be met by tariff revenues. Tariffs would only need to be raised when life cycle of product reached end or product needed to be moved for logistics reasons. It is supply and demand based, but exerts internal force on external forces disrupting the local economy. It is protectionistic but not in a way that would limit the free market. It just places an interest to loss to insure that disruptions are paid for by the product being imported to support the social damage of buying foreign product at dump rates. Localization is not only good for the economy but also in the big picture better for the environment - reducing the requirement for transport waste. It is a better system for the world economy and environment. While the CCR is localization based on only effecting local resources - it could be expanded to buy low price goods when projections for local demand is to be higher when capital is freed to really very much play with futures for better economic gain. There are some needs which are constant like heat, food, building materials, and any projects the government has planned that will require foreign commodities.

The capital issue exists, but when I speak of this plan it is stand alone to implement - but I have a more intricate system of processes to insure maximum profit and productivity and efficiency. Localization is not only good for Canadians but also good for the world. It would lower carbon emissions by reducing transport waste. Localization and the CCR is good for us. Say it with me. Localization and the CCR is good for us. CANADA FIRST!!!

It is a sound system to protect the Canadian Economy. It is about bridging local access by creation of a public market. Markets do exist for Commodities but these are globally open. Canadians ought to have a secure local source to buy from, even better if it helps Canadian businesses. I honestly think it will lower the costs and keep more of the work in Canada.

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As a subnote the only reason I feel this is required is because the US can't be trusted - it has betrayed Canada and Canadians more than once for their own gain, and if Americans can't be trusted Canadians can't depend on their trust, Canadians can't be dependent on their goods, or them to take ours. Canadians need to take care of themselves because the US is playing economic mind games with Canada.

CANADA should protect Canadians.

CANADIANS FIRST!

CANADIANS should protect CANADA!

Edited February 15, 2010 by William Ashley

[bush_cheney2004]

Alberta is closer than California the only benefit is potentially cheaper extraction costs. - You are paying for it

anyway so why not increase the efficency of use by having refineries near the oilsands themselves to actually process the materials there, then ship them. Where the price of extraction can be recouperated by refining of jet fuels and gasoline, as well as other products. Why instead ship it to the US so they can get the real value - the real money in oil is in refining not extraction.

Here is your answer...at least for jet fuel.....you may not like it:

But nearly all of Air Canada's jet fuel – about half of the 2 billion litres consumed at Pearson every year – is purchased overseas and arrives by a combination of ship and rail before it is finally dumped from a truck into the system, similar to the way a gas station is re-supplied.

Whitty says Air Canada decided in 2002 to create its own fuel-supply chain because of concerns that the supply in Ontario, where most of Air Canada's flying originates,

was not reliable enough to meet its fuel needs

.

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/498556--air-canada-s-fuel-proof-supply-system

Build it and they will come.

[William Ashley]

Here is your answer...at least for jet fuel.....you may not like it:

But nearly all of Air Canada's jet fuel – about half of the 2 billion litres consumed at Pearson every year – is purchased overseas and arrives by a combination of ship and rail before it is finally dumped from a truck into the system, similar to the way a gas station is re-supplied.

Whitty says Air Canada decided in 2002 to create its own fuel-supply chain because of concerns that the supply in Ontario, where most of Air Canada's flying originates,

was not reliable enough to meet its fuel needs

.

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/498556--air-canada-s-fuel-proof-supply-system

Build it and they will come.

There arn't many refineries in Canada, that is part of the supply issue. The import of petrol products for a net exporter such as Canada just demonstrates how poorly run and inefficient the petrol infrastructure is in Canada.

Edited February 15, 2010 by William Ashley

[bush_cheney2004]

There arn't many refineries in Canada, that is part of the supply issue.

...and there is a reason for that. Canada imports about 900,000 bpd of petroleum and distillates from all over the world because it lacks the infrastructure to be self sufficient. Presently, it is cheaper and more reliable to continue business as usual. There are other examples as well, from lack of slaughterhouse capacity to blood plasma supplies.

If you wanna run with the big dogs, you will need more than just a loud bark.

[bush_cheney2004]

As a subnote the only reason I feel this is required is because the US can't be trusted - it has betrayed Canada and Canadians more than once for their own gain, and if Americans can't be trusted Canadians can't depend on their trust, Canadians can't be dependent on their goods, or them to take ours. Canadians need to take care of themselves because the US is playing economic mind games with Canada.

Correct...the US cannot be trusted to permit continued dumping from Canada...close the border and teach those bastard Americans a lesson. That will show them, eh?

[William Ashley]

...and there is a reason for that. Canada imports about 900,000 bpd of petroleum and distillates from all over the world because it lacks the infrastructure to be self sufficient. Presently, it is cheaper and more reliable to continue business as usual. There are other examples as well, from lack of slaughterhouse capacity to blood plasma supplies.

If you wanna run with the big dogs, you will need more than just a loud bark.

Not expected this lifetime. Thing is though, refineries are also not run efficiently. Huge cost overheads and outdated technologies. Although you can say you arn't an engineer, I've researched enough about the processes to understand how they work.

There is no reason why cost efficient refineries can't be made in Canada. The material costs are not high in relation to prices and profit. So frankly I disagree with ROI being too low to benefit from construction of processing plants in low supply import areas. Petrocan made a profit before it was sold to Suncor.

Also crown corporations will cost on average 30-50% less than private corporations, with costs paying for themselves. The refineries just need to be the right size. You can ask why gas prices are lower in the US, it is because the US refines its own gas. There is even quite a large cieling for price fixing which would benefit both consumers and the federal government.

They just need to be sized and placed properly. Costs arn't high in relation to return. A lot of overhead corporate costs can be cut, all that is required is logistics and purchasing agreements.

Part of the issue is that supply chain is largely owned by private companies - who get the profits from importing from themselves.. even if all demand is not met by local refineries, you give a tax free benefit to companies for purchasing from local refineries, it is in their advantage to export their private stocks that would be produced from excess production after domestic demand is met. If not give a tax free advantage to the crown corps and undercut the local companies who arn't buying into the program. It is ludicrous when companies can be multinational but the company can't use its own domestic supply in the same country because of its geography. It is even worse when the country can't use its own suppy when geographically it isn't multinational. Nafta simply doesn't serve Canadians interests.

All you need to do is look at the countries doing this and there much lower gas prices as compared to Canada - there is a reason for that. Canadians deserve better. They deserve lower gas

prices.

Here is one example from NRC.

http://canmetenergy-canmetenergie.nrcan-rncan.gc.ca/eng/industrial_processes/industrial_energy_systems/environmental_technologies/waste_oils_recycling/micro_refinery.html

Their processsing plan is priced at $2.5 Million and I have few doubts the price has overhead inflation which would be subject to tax recovery of atleast 25%.

This type of plant would produce around 70,000,000 gallons of gasoline - plus other products such as jet fuel.

If a gallon of gas brought in 25 cents on the gallon waste oil recovery -- in the US the state makes somewhere in the ballpark of 15 to 20 cents on each gallon and the oil company such as exxon makes about 8.5 cents. If this profit was put to the refiner/government you would have around say 25 cents on each gallon... this works out to gross revenue of 17.5 million / refinery on the gasoline - other products such as jet fuel. You get about 14,000,000 gallons of jet fuel 30,000,000 gallons of diesel and the list goes on. It is not hard to see how a refinery would pay for itself.. hold on.. in less than 1 year... actually each refinery would profit millions.

It would cost 2.7 million approx at 75$ a barrel.. this still equates more than 10 million profit on operations costs on the gasoline alone. profit would be more than 10 million per micro refinery/year. 10 of these would equal a profit of 100 million for the government 100 would equal a billion in profit for the government.

The government could sustain about 9125 of these.. so about 91.25 billion in additional revenue per year on the gasoline sales alone. While these wouldn't meet all processed needs, they would go a long way with insuring local market viability in the resource sector, and improving supply issues.

The investment for implementation of the program would cost less than 20 billion equating a 70 billion profit in the first year alone- although one can surmise much greater profits due to expansion of the domestic economy. These profits would in part pay for the cost of government - as well as other profit generators like the Canadian Commodities Reserve.

Edited February 15, 2010 by William Ashley

[bush_cheney2004]

It is even worse when the country can't use its own suppy when geographically it isn't multinational. Nafta simply doesn't serve Canadians interests.

Then why did Canada ratify NAFTA? (I already know why.) Canada can abbrogate at any time with six months notice....but it's not going to happen, except for campaign rhetoric come next election cycle.

All you need to do is look at the countries doing this and there much lower gas prices as compared to Canada - there is a reason for that. Canadians deserve better. They deserve lower gas prices.

The main reason for your higher gas prices has more to do with taxes, not the costs of production or distribution. My gas comes from Canada by way of a local refinery.

It is cheaper than Diet Coke.

Edited February 15, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[William Ashley]

Then why did Canada ratify NAFTA?

This is a good question. Why did the US ratify NAFTA?

If it was in my power I'd rewrite or scrap it. I think free trade in time limited resources which do not have a domestic market makes sense. Free trade in rare and limited resources does not make sense. domestic demand should be met by localized resources first. National Supply should be met first before exporting - at least the opportunity should exist.

NAFTA doesn't allow that, and that is a problem.

Canada can abbrogate at any time with six months notice....but it's not going to happen, except for campaign rhetoric come next election cycle.

If you know what is it? Maybe because the people in power have represented multinational business peoples interests.. could that be it. They directly benefit with free access to goods without markups. Could that be it?

The main reason for your higher gas prices has more to do with taxes, not the costs of production or distribution. My gas comes from Canada by way of a local refinery.

It is cheaper than Diet Coke.

probably less of a solvent also. Its not all taxes.

Gas tax is less in Canada but gas costs more. In the US gas tax costs can be as much as 23% higher than in Canada - in Canada it depends on province and varies from 22 to 39.9% in the us the rate is

45.6%

(Canadas with PST inclusive)

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Actually I may be mistaken as the US is cents per gallon not percent of value of sale. So it is more difficult to calculate - it looks like it is about 7% sales tax plus between 8 and 30 cents per gallon plus 18 cents federal so the rate can vary

I think fuel prices have risen dramatically also since last I drove in the us

I was sitting around an even 2$/gallon last time I was in the US driving, where as it is 3.78 / gallon or more for instance in my remote northern ontario community on the trans canada highway it is one of the most expensive places in ontario for gas. It is sitting around 1.05 / litre or about 4$ / gallon - that ain't all tax.

which would be well beyond the differentiation in fuel tax pricing. however now it is around 2.7 to 3.7 which still probably doesn't account for it being solely tax.

Edited February 16, 2010 by William Ashley

[bush_cheney2004]

If you know what is it? Maybe because the people in power have represented multinational business peoples interests.. could that be it. They directly benefit with free access to goods without markups. Could that be it?

You have a very short memory when it comes to the BILLION$ of American (and other foreign) investment in Canada's energy sector coupled with the largest market in the world just across the border. In comparison, the USA did not need Canadian capital investment to exist or survive.

[William Ashley]

You have a very short memory when it comes to the BILLION$ of American (and other foreign) investment in Canada's energy sector coupled with the largest market in the world just across the border. In comparison, the USA did not need Canadian capital investment to exist or survive.

Canada doesn't need it. Actually it is a bad move to take foreign capital if it means lower ROI.

Canada has the resources and knowledged to exist on its own just fine. $375 Billion ain't a huge chunk regardless.

While Canada is up on its trade with the US there are plenty of products it could domestically produce

#1 close to $64 billion is oil is imported from Canada - around $64 billion in car products (although this may have been effected somewhat....), and around $20 Billion in products such as aluminum and wood and other metals.

There is very little Canada needs to import from the US if it tapped its own resources to function at the same economic level

While some trade is good, it ain't all required... it is free and open trade but Canada ought to tap that

$20 billion export market and compare with imports. Setting up a domestic reserve atleast gives the option to procure from a store rather than from those options that you see. It is better for domestic business to bridge the lowest price so companies aren't left speculating.

It is actually somewhat the other way around the US spends far more on Canada than Canada spends on US products. Canada has a net gain - but this could be expanded further by producing finished products.

Trade local before international, it makes sense.

Putting a margin of tax on foreign procured resources that were available locally should have an extra margin of cost if they put Canadians out of work, forcing them onto welfare funding at tax payers expense. That is a company profiting at other citizens expense when they could help their fellow man.

Companies ought to put Canadians First!

Canadians ought to put Canadians First!!

An example here is why the hell is Canada importing close to $100 million in US wheat - is there not enough wheat to feed Canadians in Canada?

Although as I stated Canada is profiting from US trade, some of it is just stupid.

Another example is 8 billion exports in feul oil with 2 billion in imports of Fuel oil. Canada and the US are generally geographically the same and generally within 200 KM of one another in terms of population - it makes no sense to have a variance of $4 billion in trade of the same product over borders.

You can explain some finished products by stupid IP protection laws, but you can't do that for natural resources because except GMO's you don't have IP protected fuel oil. Oil is oil more or less. There are some variations but none enough most of the time to demand a different product.

Edited February 16, 2010 by William Ashley

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada doesn't need it. Actually it is a bad move to take foreign capital if it means lower ROI.

Really? Then why did Canada specifically invite and solicit foreign investment for so many years?

Answer: LACK OF CAPITAL

Canada has the resources and knowledged to exist on its own just fine. $375 Billion ain't a huge chunk regardless.

While Canada is up on its trade with the US there are plenty of products it could domestically produce

#1 close to $64 billion is oil is imported from Canada - around $64 billion in car products (although this may have been effected somewhat....), and around $20 Billion in products such as aluminum and wood and other metals.

Not 50.....25...or even 15 years ago it didn't. You have no idea what it meant to be parked next to the biggest market on the planet.

There is very little Canada needs to import from the US if it tapped its own resources to function at the same economic level

..and if pigs had wings they could fly. Canada even imports American television programming because it's cheaper to do so.

It is actually somewhat the other way around the US spends far more on Canada than Canada spends on US products. Canaa has a net gain - but this could be expanded further by producing finished products.

So does Mexico....

[William Ashley]

Really? Then why did Canada specifically invite and solicit foreign investment for so many years?

Answer: LACK OF CAPITAL

You aren't seeing it .. think more closely.. it actually wasn't for capital the reason was to grow exports.

Not 50.....25...or even 15 years ago it didn't. You have no idea what it meant to be parked next to the biggest market on the planet.

It existed just fine 50, 25 or even 15 years ago. Most the developed stuff is going to export.

Canada started to address development issues in the 60's with agencies such as D.R.E.E.

Part of Canada developmental programs stemmed from division of powers. It wasn't until the late 1970's that the Truedeau government actually started to correct that problem. IRDP was instituted; however Mulrooney sold off the national assets and started extreme debt spending (not unlike the Harper Government). The problem in the new system is that it hyper regionalized development rather than took a consolidated approach, at the same time as liquidating controls. Localization was ignored by the Mulrooney government which caused destablization of local growth in favor for centralized growth. In the late 80's IRDP was disbanded altogehter leaving a vacuum this while - control crown assets were liquidated and privatized. (Some might say that the movement had started - mulrooney came from major players such as POWER CO. which with is the D family.

The change came with creating specific agencies such as FEDNOR and Atlantic Oppourtunities totally abandoning a consolidated federal approach to coordinating the upper most layer to economic development. "Funding of state regions rather than the Federation as a whole based on local growht potentials, and instead just lump summing on a regional basis.

The problem is that the Federal development strategy was abandoned by the tories and dealt a death blow in favor of the rich stakeholders. This geared development to private profit rather than Federal Economic capacity.

..and if pigs had wings they could fly.

GMO baby pork wings... coming to a supermarket near you (it will happen)

Canada even imports American television programming because it's cheaper to do so.

It's not cause its cheaper. It really isn't I could throw together a TV show no problemo.. it doesn't make

it have the appeal. American TV is rubbish, that is why people like it. Cheeso and mindless junk that appeals to the masses offering nothing but fluff for the minds because it provokes emotions that people seldom feel in their mindless lives of monotony

So does Mexico....

[bush_cheney2004]

You aren't seeing it .. think more closely.. it actually wasn't for capital the reason was to grow exports.

You can't do that without capital investment. There is no way for you to skirt around this.

It existed just fine 50, 25 or even 15 years ago. Most the developed stuff is going to export.

Canada specifically leveraged 20% of domestic auto sales to get foreign plants.....Canada has no significant domestic car make.

The problem is that the Federal development strategy was abandoned by the tories and dealt a death blow in favor of the rich stakeholders. This geared development to private profit rather than Federal Economic capacity.

Sure...and we all know how the government's NEP cocked things up in Alberta.

GMO baby pork wings... coming to a supermarket near you (it will happen)

So what...can't be any worse than BSE in my Big Mac.

It's not cause its cheaper. It really isn't I could throw together a TV show no problemo.. it doesn't make

it have the appeal. American TV is rubbish, that is why people like it. Cheeso and mindless junk that appeals to the masses offering nothing but fluff for the minds because it provokes emotions that people seldom feel in their mindless lives of monotony

Sure...that's why so many Canadians consume it? Go look at your cable or satellite programming lineup....you can't throw any such thing "together".