William Ashley Posted January 24, 2010 Report Posted January 24, 2010 (edited) Is there a float plane missing or not? It shouldn't be "is this person crying wolf?" Does Canada not have a way of tracking airplanes, like NORAD or something they can call up and say - do we have any float planes missing in our country right now? I'm sure the national gaurd would have F16's in the air over this. The RCMP and search and rescue teams have stopped investigating reports of a floatplane crash off the Sunshine Coast near Sechelt for the nighthttp://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Search+called+reported+Sunshine+Coast+plane+crash/2474800/story.html I thought Norad tracked all of North American Airspace with Radar - you'd expect them to know if something dropped off the map. If they can track Santa, surely they can track a float plane! If not does this mean Canada is succeptable to Nuclear bombing from float planes infiltrated or assembled in Canada by say Chinese or Russian agents... eh.. ehh.? This quote is great "Today, NORAD is able to track virtually every inch of North American air space and can detect missile launches almost anywhere in the world, using satellites to spot heat signatures and exhaust plumes. In addition, NORAD tracks all man-made objects in space. All of this information is cross-referenced with civilian and military air traffic control. As a result, NORAD can quickly detect an unauthorized aircraft. Many of these turn out to be drug smugglers -- about 100 are caught each year with NORAD's help" Perhaps we found one of those inches. Edited January 24, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Smallc Posted January 24, 2010 Report Posted January 24, 2010 You do realize that Canada is half of NORAD, right? Quote
William Ashley Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Posted January 24, 2010 (edited) You do realize that Canada is half of NORAD, right? OK, and your point is...? And I guess you don't mean Canada is the outdated, discontinued half of Norad. Or does Norad = No Radar. arrr arrrrr duck and cover duck and cover and roll a a a a a a <-- people duck covering and rolling .....................................)=) <--floatplane . . . . . . . . . 0=0.......... . . . . . . . .o=0=0=o........ . . . . . .0=0=0=0=0....... . . . 0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0... 0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0= . . . . . . 0=0=0=0=0....... . . . . . . . . o=0=0=o........ . . . . . . . . .r.r.r........<--mushroomcloud . . . . . . . . . r.r.r........ . . . . . . . . .r.r.r........ . . . . . . . . . r.r.r........ a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a0a<-gold medalist ---------------------------- Vancover 2010 VanDUCK&cover 2010 AND ROLL PEOPLE ROLL IN VANCOVER!! quack. ducks float in water and fly... NORAD TRAINING ??? http://www.freespaceinvaders.org/ <-- canadian forces training simulation for Canadian aerospace defence response under Harper Conservatives. Representing defence allocations to Northern Airspace Defence. Hitlarpers response " We are finding Haitians!" "The stench of rotting bodies is a dead give away, even for Haitians." hBooooo Ignatieff 2011 "We found mass graves in Haiti, and it was your conservative government that sent Canadian Forces to help in making them." Hitlarpers 2011 Response: Oh yeah, I have a cell, you just wait, Jean will pick up any moment and when she does..... I'll have a few months to plan a better response than, yeah so what." "My buddy Barrack gave me CIA breifings, as part of my work for the state department, my other job, I was taking part in as evidence of this just yesterday" when asked if he felt Canada was at risk to failure in a 911 type attack with floatplanes Hitlarpers response: "Only if they were flown by Russians even the Canadian forces pilots working at NORAD Can't beat that space invaders game, after over 30 years of training, and taking into account we don't let them fly real planes anymore, unless it is a US mission in the middle east." -booo When questioned on Northern Sovereignty: Hitlarpers Response: We insure an adequette airpresence in Northern canada insuring Russian Soveriegnty, they fly more artic missions than Canadians do, as far as we can tell from Eskimo sightings from those who havn't died from DEW line toxic wastes, or starved to death. This mock question period brought to you by Steven Harper, MP for god knows where, representing you in darkened back rooms and where you can't find him 24/7, two to three months a year, sometimes, give or take a month or two depending on how little support he has. PS support = money to embezzle into slushfunds at the cost of the deaths of future seniors everywhere. Edited January 25, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Smallc Posted January 24, 2010 Report Posted January 24, 2010 Small planes aren't necessarily easy to find in remote areas. There is radar covering the approaches and important areas of our airspace, not every square inch. Quote
William Ashley Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Posted January 24, 2010 Small planes aren't necessarily easy to find in remote areas. There is radar covering the approaches and important areas of our airspace, not every square inch. What is important airspace in BC? ps. another "are SAR operations healthy in Canada" "the rescue helicopter had mechanical problems when it reached Iqaluit, forcing a delay while it was repaired." Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2479569#ixzz0dYdmuc3j Quote I was here.
Wilber Posted January 24, 2010 Report Posted January 24, 2010 Is there a float plane missing or not? It shouldn't be "is this person crying wolf?" Does Canada not have a way of tracking airplanes, like NORAD or something they can call up and say - do we have any float planes missing in our country right now? I'm sure the national gaurd would have F16's in the air over this. No they wouldn't, it was two years before a hiker found Steve Fossett's remains in the Sierra Nevadas. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted January 24, 2010 Report Posted January 24, 2010 What is important airspace in BC? ps. another "are SAR operations healthy in Canada" "the rescue helicopter had mechanical problems when it reached Iqaluit, forcing a delay while it was repaired." Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2479569#ixzz0dYdmuc3j All aircraft are equiped with emergency locater beacons (ELT's) These will go off if subjected to the G force of a crash (supposedly) or activated manualy and transmit a signal on international distress frequencies. These signals can be picked up by other aircraft monitoring those frequencies and by SAR sattelites and can be used to narrow down the the aircraft's position. While there is a legal requirement for light aircraft to file a flight plan if they travel over 25 nm from their departure airport, many do not. There is a lot of float aircraft traffic on the coast and most of it flies at low level over Georgia Strait to stay out of the way of faster commercial aircraft and single engine land planes which want as much air under their ass as possible when crossing the strait. Radar is line of sight, it has very limited range in mountainous country except for detecting aircraft an high altitudes. At low altitudes, it can only see as far as the next hill. Almost all of BC low altitude airspace that is outside major airport terminal areas has no radar coverage. If not in controlled airspace, a light aircraft that is not on an instrument flight plan can ask for flight following from ATC but other than that, a controller's only interest in traffic that is not under his control is to keep those that are from running into it. ATC uses secondary surveillance radar which is designed to work with transponders mounted in the aircraft. Fewer and fewer ATC units have primary radar which can readily pick up objects not equipped with a transponder. Even military radars have great difficulty picking up targets at low level. Because radar is line of sight, the lower you can fly the more you can use the curvature of the earth to avoid detection. The military often uses AWACS aircraft to fill this gap but even then, you need Doppler radar that will only detect moving objects so you can differentiate the target from the ground. This is why terrain hugging cruise missiles are so difficult to counter. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Smallc Posted January 24, 2010 Report Posted January 24, 2010 What is important airspace in BC? ps. another "are SAR operations healthy in Canada" So we should buy new SAR helicopters every 10 years?...because all of our SAR helicopters are between 8 and 15 years old. They also spend more on maintenance of military equipment now than ever before. Sometimes things break. Quote
bill_barilko Posted January 25, 2010 Report Posted January 25, 2010 It's painfully apparent who on this thread has actually flown in small aircraft and who is wasting bandwidth. Quote
William Ashley Posted January 25, 2010 Author Report Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) So we should buy new SAR helicopters every 10 years?...because all of our SAR helicopters are between 8 and 15 years old. They also spend more on maintenance of military equipment now than ever before. Sometimes things break. 8 years is a very short shelf life for expensive technologies. You could afford it if you wern't spending a billion a year in afghanistan. Whats more important an aircraft that can carry one or two tanks or 100 helicopters that are state of the art and up to date for SAR operations. They got supplies in why not just rescue the person with the huge aircraft that sent supplies down? So if SAR aircraft are breaking down (dejavu seakings) then why the hell is the government neglecting to replace the aging fleet? Last thing you want is for your rescue helicopter to crash during a rescue operation. Also the logic.. why not just parachute some people down with a small boat and head back to shore the 15 km? Rather than sending in multiple aircraft Edited January 25, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Guest TrueMetis Posted January 25, 2010 Report Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) William most people can't keep a freaking car working for 8 years, you really think that a helicopter is going to last longer before it need to be repaired? Edited January 25, 2010 by TrueMetis Quote
William Ashley Posted January 25, 2010 Author Report Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) William most people can't keep a freaking car working for 8 years, you really think that a helicopter is going to last longer before it need to be repaired? This isn't an encouraging comment, they kept the sea kings working for 50 years until they started falling from the sky? Chretien: What do they need helicopters for - they are the navy! Yes I expect the DND to keep aircraft they purchase operational for more than 8 years -is this too high a standard? If so why spend hundreds of millions on JSF (each) if they are only going to work for 8 years? Is a billion dollars for a heavy lift aircraft (to be used for 8 years) really a good use of money.. that is what 125 million a year 100 flights, wouldn't leasing just cost less?) Edited January 25, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Guest TrueMetis Posted January 25, 2010 Report Posted January 25, 2010 This isn't an encouraging comment, they kept the sea kings working for 50 years until they started falling from the sky? Chretien: What do they need helicopters for - they are the navy! Yes I expect the DND to keep aircraft they purchase operational for more than 8 years -is this too high a standard? If so why spend hundreds of millions on JSF (each) if they are only going to work for 8 years? Is a billion dollars for a heavy lift aircraft (to be used for 8 years) really a good use of money.. that is what 125 million a year 100 flights, wouldn't leasing just cost less?) Read the comment again. William most people can't keep a freaking car working for 8 years, you really think that a helicopter is going to last longer before it need to be repaired? They can be fixed just don't expect them to go 8 years without it. Stuff breaks and people fix it. I doubt this is the first time they have broken down. You have any idea how much maintenance the sea kings went through? Any idea how hard it must have been to keep them flying after 50 years? I'm surprised they lasted that long. All hail the mechanics who were responsible for that. Quote
Wilber Posted January 25, 2010 Report Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) This isn't an encouraging comment, they kept the sea kings working for 50 years until they started falling from the sky? Chretien: What do they need helicopters for - they are the navy! Yes I expect the DND to keep aircraft they purchase operational for more than 8 years -is this too high a standard? If so why spend hundreds of millions on JSF (each) if they are only going to work for 8 years? Is a billion dollars for a heavy lift aircraft (to be used for 8 years) really a good use of money.. that is what 125 million a year 100 flights, wouldn't leasing just cost less?) That just about sums up Chretien's complete ignorance of what a navy does. An instructor in helicopter maintenance I know once said that maintaining a helicopter consisted of putting them back together faster than they shook themselves to pieces. You obviously have no idea what it takes to maintain an aircraft in an arctic winter. Edited January 25, 2010 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
William Ashley Posted January 25, 2010 Author Report Posted January 25, 2010 "Of the cops who remain in Nanaimo, four officers will spend all day overseeing floatplane security screening downtown." http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/2010wintergames/cops+leaving+Olympic+security/2467614/story.html Quote I was here.
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