DogOnPorch Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 Well, there are many reasons they may have wanted to come to Canada. Realistically, there's no way to know what the Americans would have done. There are rules for these kinds of things. My point: legal immigrant refugees don't spend $45,000 to get on a rusty ship when an Airbus is available. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Griz Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 I was born here you idiot. So you rebuke the immigrant label but not the terrorist label? Too Funny! Trace your family tree and you'll trace it back to a ship buster Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 So you rebuke the immigrant label but not the terrorist label? Too Funny! Trace your family tree and you'll trace it back to a ship buster So what? They didn't blow folks up. They built this land. Now go crawl back under your rock. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bill_barilko Posted January 17, 2010 Author Report Posted January 17, 2010 The Tigers have a long history in Canada of raising money and sending it back to continue the war. That's why they were deemed a terrorist organization to begin with. Not just raising money but using strongarm tactics and extorion to rob people of their life savings. In short they are criminal swine/violent goons and worse-anyone who believes otherwise is astoundingly naive/must live in some backwoods rathole like Kirkland Lake. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 I will answer your question with a story. A young anti-gang black activist was shot about a year ago - He surived the attack and three black men where put on trial for the attempted murder...The crimminals were released by our dear courts..because of "resonable doubt" - so about a year later the black activist was shot again - this time he did not survive and guess what...It was the same guys that killed him..... that a court had previously released...So what are the courts going to do this time? Release the cuprits again? Who knows they just might _ I suspect that the release is intentional - Judges are not stupid and probably not that inept..so what else could it be...a class of high faluting and arrogant overly privledged old bastards who play a little game of release the hounds on society..to harrass us and torment us with crimminal crazies while the judicary and those that appoint them jerk off and feel powerful...I say they are abusing the people...You do not release mad dogs on the public unless you are a mad dog yourself. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 My point: legal immigrant refugees don't spend $45,000 to get on a rusty ship when an Airbus is available. Since the group is banned in Canada, I have to wonder why they are being treated "the same as any other immigrant" (I believe that's how it's being put), under the circumstances. Is it just another attempt to be oh-so-fair-and-open-minded-and-multi-cultural? As you pointed out, what legal immigrant would pay $45,000 to come on a rusty freighter, a ship that is linked to the Tigers and may have carried arms, when they could fly first class for a helluva lot less? Makes no sense. Quote
ZenOps Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Since the group is banned in Canada, I have to wonder why they are being treated "the same as any other immigrant" (I believe that's how it's being put), under the circumstances. Is it just another attempt to be oh-so-fair-and-open-minded-and-multi-cultural? As you pointed out, what legal immigrant would pay $45,000 to come on a rusty freighter, a ship that is linked to the Tigers and may have carried arms, when they could fly first class for a helluva lot less? Makes no sense. The requirements for "legal" immigration are still fairly strict. English fluency (or French since 1990's) is a requirement for everything but refugee and special cases, or the very young (ESL programmes) The point system is still heavily skewed, just like an IQ test is heavily skewed towards language an upbringing. Which is of course in its own way a little bit exclusionary, regardless of mental or physical capacity, work ability or general appeal as a citizen. Others still greatly greatly fear being noticed by the British Empire. They will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to "fly under the radar" even if not criminal - just to avoid scrutiny of a monarchy that has subjugated arguably half of the world. I imagine it would be no different if some other empire was in control (say if Germany won WWII) there are always people who will want to avoid being noticed. I would not be surprised at all - to see a native Canadian leaving Canada completely avoiding "standard" means of transportation. Edited January 17, 2010 by ZenOps Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 I would not be surprised at all - to see a native Canadian leaving Canada completely avoiding "standard" means of transportation. I would be surprised if anyone without something to hide either left or entered a country "avoiding 'standard' transportation." There would be no reason to pay thousands of dollars more than would otherwise be necessary, while being a lot more uncomfortable in the process. It makes no sense, therefore I don't see it happening. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 Since the group is banned in Canada, I have to wonder why they are being treated "the same as any other immigrant" (I believe that's how it's being put), under the circumstances. Is it just another attempt to be oh-so-fair-and-open-minded-and-multi-cultural? As you pointed out, what legal immigrant would pay $45,000 to come on a rusty freighter, a ship that is linked to the Tigers and may have carried arms, when they could fly first class for a helluva lot less? Makes no sense. The Tamil War ended and the ship suddenly appears...but Canadian officials seem to think it was a coincidence...doh! Boy are we dumb. This happened with Chinese line jumpers in the 1990s...we let them in and they promptly scattered. But, I'm sure the 'promise to appear' will be honoured by all the Tamils..... AW...it makes me shake my head. We have immigration rules here...but it seems that our own system constantly makes exceptions. Forty-five grand makes no sense unless you're a wanted individual...but...oh well...Welcome to Canada!! Thank the lawyers... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 The Tamil War ended and the ship suddenly appears...but Canadian officials seem to think it was a coincidence...doh! Boy are we dumb. On the other hand, you're assuming that they haven't done their due diligence. I don't think that's a very good assumption. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 On the other hand, you're assuming that they haven't done their due diligence. I don't think that's a very good assumption. Oh really? Perhaps you're right. They never f**k up. Nah...I saw the Chinese thing close-up. They are quite capable of shooting themselves in the foot...twice. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 Of course they make mistakes, but that doesn't mean they're making a mistake now. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Of course they make mistakes, but that doesn't mean they're making a mistake now. It doesn't mean they're not, either. Most of our system is run by bureaucrats who'd have a problem finding Haiti or Sri Lanka w/o the help of Google Maps. Edited January 17, 2010 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 Look, I don't like it either, but there has to be some reason that they let all of the people go free. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 Look, I don't like it either, but there has to be some reason that they let all of the people go free. Good lawyers. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 Possibly, and if this is all legal, then I'm not sure there's much that can be done different without a change in the law, which I hope will happen. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 Possibly, and if this is all legal, then I'm not sure there's much that can be done different without a change in the law, which I hope will happen. We give murderers time served in this country. Anything is possible including the 'un-possible'. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 And yet for the most part, we don't have as much of a crime problem as the country with much harsher punishment. Besides, we also give some murders life in prison. It's all about circumstances and intent. Quote
ZenOps Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) I would be surprised if anyone without something to hide either left or entered a country "avoiding 'standard' transportation." There would be no reason to pay thousands of dollars more than would otherwise be necessary, while being a lot more uncomfortable in the process. It makes no sense, therefore I don't see it happening. Its fine for Americans "Land of the free". There is little reason to hide in that case. You fought for independance and can rely on a local militarily independant government and individual rights to bear arms to protect you from a dictatorship or monarchy, or even a beligerent neighbor. But Canada is still Crown owned, we must play by rules. We are not allowed to have loaded guns. We do not have the even have the right to "enjoy our own property." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsuccessful_attempts_to_amend_the_Canadian_Constitution Also - you are forgetting that while the immigrating country may welcome you with open arms by the official means - the emigrating country may not be willing to let go of you. Chinese Imperialists fleeing communism in China were not easily parted with (much for their wealth as much as their social impetus). Much like Austrians fleeing Germany for the US "The Sound of Music" the official route would have been barred entirely by a local government unwilling to part with citizens. This was much more the case at the turn of the century 1800-1900's as the cost of unofficial immigration was inflation adjusted - much more in the millions of dollars per person. The last of which were the europeans fleeing WWI and WWII (Yes, many were draft dodgers, who did not want to have to kill for their country and who could afford to sneak out of it) If by illegal or "Criminal" you include european draft dodgers - then yes you are probably right bang on in your assesment. "Criminal" is relative. IE: If you are leaving a communist country where owning personal property and adhereing to a capitalist system is "criminal" then yes, a lot of illegal immigrants are criminal. Edited January 17, 2010 by ZenOps Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 And yet for the most part, we don't have as much of a crime problem as the country with much harsher punishment. Besides, we also give some murders life in prison. It's all about circumstances and intent. I don't give the government credit for Canadian's good social conscience. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 I don't give the government credit for Canadian's good social conscience. I give the government a great deal of credit for what Canada has become. This country has always been about a partnership between government and the people. We all have a hand in this country, and what it has become - both the good and the bad. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 I give the government a great deal of credit for what Canada has become. This country has always been about a partnership between government and the people. We all have a hand in this country, and what it has become - both the good and the bad Well I'm glad you feel that way because 76 potential Tamil Tiger trouble makers were released to roam our country freely. Perhaps even in your neighborhood. But the government is in control of the situation. So no worries, citizen. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 The government is a reflection of the broad beliefs of the people. If the people want this changed, it will be changed, but so far, outside of this forum, I haven't heard from too many that care about it. Perhaps there will be a legislative change, perhaps not. That's up to the government, and their constituents. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 The government is a reflection of the broad beliefs of the people. If the people want this changed, it will be changed, but so far, outside of this forum, I haven't heard from too many that care about it. Perhaps there will be a legislative change, perhaps not. That's up to the government, and their constituents. Here in BC, the effect is a little more immediate. How many Tamils live in Winterpeg? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 I have no idea. We have a very large immigrant population, but I don't know. I'm really not sure what you expected would be done. If there was no real legal to hold the people, then we couldn't have held them, whether we like it or not. That's one of the things that is both good and bad about the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Certain sections of it seem to apply to all people in Canada, citizens or not. Quote
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