Sucks to be you, Palestinians

[naomiglover]

Around Jerusalem, the average ambulance journey time for a Palestinian is almost 2 hours.

In the West Bank, there are more than 600 internal military checkpoints and roadblocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zZhVekDq5Y

[DogOnPorch]

Around Jerusalem, the average ambulance journey time for a Palestinian is almost 2 hours.

In the West Bank, there are more than 600 internal military checkpoints and roadblocks.

They should have said 'yes' in 1947...heck, they could have said 'yes' in 1937.

Edited November 21, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[Melanie_]

They should have said 'yes' in 1947...heck, they could have said 'yes' in 1937.

So, because their grandfathers said no in 1947, its ok that they die in ambulances on their way to the hospital?

[Gabriel]

Notice how there is no mention of the fact that Palestinians utilize medical infrastructure such as hospitals and ambulances to conduct their terror operations. That being said, this video is a complete lie.

Edited November 21, 2009 by Gabriel

[naomiglover]

Notice how there is no mention of the fact that Palestinians utilize medical infrastructure such as hospitals and ambulances to conduct their terror operations. That being said, this video is a complete lie.

How did you come to declare this video a lie?

[Guest American Woman]

Around Jerusalem, the average ambulance journey time for a Palestinian is almost 2 hours.

In the West Bank, there are more than 600 internal military checkpoints and roadblocks.

I'm going to take my cue from you and reserve judgment on the video until I know the source; so could you provide that information, please?

Then I'll know if I should watch it, give it any credence, or simply post a "hehe" in response.

[DogOnPorch]

So, because their grandfathers said no in 1947, its ok that they die in ambulances on their way to the hospital?

Those are YOUR words. Mine were that they should have said yes to the Partition of 1947. Presto. No ambulance waits. These days it's valid to say that ambulance waits may involve one of naiomi's terrorist chums borrowing the ambulance.

[Guest American Woman]

Those are YOUR words. Mine were that they should have said yes to the Partition of 1947. Presto. No ambulance waits. These days it's valid to say that ambulance waits may involve one of naiomi's terrorist chums borrowing the ambulance.

But of course when I pointed out that Hamas is committing acts of terrorism, naomi said it was "reactionary" and that it could have been avoided if Israel had made different choices in 1967.

Her exact words: You can deny it if you want, but the Palestinians would not be reacting if Israel had accepted the internationally recognized 1967 border like the Palestinians have.

So it'll be interesting to see her response to this.

Edited November 21, 2009 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

Just to add to the confusion, there was no such thing as Palestine in 1967.

[DogOnPorch]

...and the Peel Commission of 1937 was, of course, a conspiracy theory according to naiomi...never happened.

Link...

[wulf42]

The Palestinians cause their own problems, maybe if they spent less time trying

to attack Israel those check points would not be there to block them!

[DogOnPorch]

The Palestinians cause their own problems, maybe if they spent less time trying

to attack Israel those check points would not be there to block them!

To understand the Palestinian cause, one needs to understand the role of the Grand Mufti...whom folks like naiomi try to erase from history. In my view, the whole movement is the pipe dream of a Jew hating Nazi who saw his clan as the sole keepers of Al Aqsa.

[Argus]

Around Jerusalem, the average ambulance journey time for a Palestinian is almost 2 hours.

In the West Bank, there are more than 600 internal military checkpoints and roadblocks.

And how many were there before the Palestinians began worshiping at the death cult of suicide bombers?

Edited November 21, 2009 by Argus

[Melanie_]

Those are YOUR words. Mine were that they should have said yes to the Partition of 1947. Presto. No ambulance waits. These days it's valid to say that ambulance waits may involve one of naiomi's terrorist chums borrowing the ambulance.

The people dying in those ambulances probably weren't born in 1947, and they don't get to rewrite history. Its pretty callous to say that they deserve what they get, because of choices made by people who came before them. Instead of jumping right into another debate about what should or shouldn't have happened politically, maybe we can just have compassion for people who are in need of medical care.

[DogOnPorch]

The people dying in those ambulances probably weren't born in 1947, and they don't get to rewrite history. Its pretty callous to say that they deserve what they get, because of choices made by people who came before them. Instead of jumping right into another debate about what should or shouldn't have happened politically, maybe we can just have compassion for people who are in need of medical care.

Says the lady with a terrorist's quote for a sig.

[Melanie_]

Says the lady with a terrorist's quote for a sig.

Do you have anything to say about the post itself?

[DogOnPorch]

Do you have anything to say about the post itself?

I did. If the terrorist didn't send suicide bombers, there'd be no need for long time consuming check-points.

[Guest American Woman]

The people dying in those ambulances probably weren't born in 1947, and they don't get to rewrite history. Its pretty callous to say that they deserve what they get, because of choices made by people who came before them. Instead of jumping right into another debate about what should or shouldn't have happened politically, maybe we can just have compassion for people who are in need of medical care.

Nor were a lot of people who have been victims of suicide bombers born in 1967, yet this was naomi's response in regards to Hamas/suicide bombings:

You can deny it if you want, but the Palestinians would not be reacting if Israel had accepted the internationally recognized 1967 border like the Palestinians have.

I noticed you had no comment about that, so I'm sure you must have missed it earlier in this thread, or perhaps, understandably, you didn't realize that "reacting" means "suicide bombings." Hope this clarifies naomi's position when it's innocent Israeli's being purposely killed.

[Guest American Woman]

Says the lady with a terrorist's quote for a sig.

Nelson Mandela is a terrorist?

[DogOnPorch]

Nor were a lot of people who have been victims of suicide bombers born in 1967, yet this was naomi's response in regards to Hamas/suicide bombings:

You can deny it if you want, but the Palestinians would not be reacting if Israel had accepted the internationally recognized 1967 border like the Palestinians have.

I noticed you had no comment about that, so I'm sure you must have missed it earlier in this thread, or perhaps, understandably, you didn't realize that "reacting" means "suicide bombings." Hope this clarifies naomi's position when it's innocent Israeli's being purposely killed.

Good post AW.

To boot...as I like to point out...if desperation etc was the cause of suicide bombers, the Siege of Leningrad would have produced 1000s.

Not a one...

[DogOnPorch]

Nelson Mandela is a terrorist?

Yes...check out his early career.

[Melanie_]

Nor were a lot of people who have been victims of suicide bombers born in 1967, yet this was naomi's response in regards to Hamas/suicide bombings:

You can deny it if you want, but the Palestinians would not be reacting if Israel had accepted the internationally recognized 1967 border like the Palestinians have.

I noticed you had no comment about that, so I'm sure you must have missed it earlier in this thread, or perhaps, understandably, you didn't realize that "reacting" means "suicide bombings." Hope this clarifies naomi's position when it's innocent Israeli's being purposely killed.

I've obviously jumped into a debate that carries over from another thread, without understanding the underlying themes. My point was not to defend terrorists, but to support people who need medical care. In this context, I don't think it is important to go back decades to decide who did what to who, and who should have made different choices long ago. But, there is more to this than is being posted here, so I'm going to go back to the other thread and read that before wading in any deeper here.

Edit: That thread is 46 pages long! I'll read it, but not within any time frame to rejoin this conversation. Carry on, forget I was here!

Edited November 21, 2009 by Melanie_

[DogOnPorch]

I've obviously jumped into a debate that carries over from another thread, without understanding the underlying themes. My point was not to defend terrorists, but to support people who need medical care. In this context, I don't think it is important to go back decades to decide who did what to who, and who should have made different choices long ago. But, there is more to this than is being posted here, so I'm going to go back to the other thread and read that before wading in any deeper here.

No worries...you seem nice. Take your time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg

[Guest American Woman]

I've obviously jumped into a debate that carries over from another thread, without understanding the underlying themes. My point was not to defend terrorists, but to support people who need medical care. In this context, I don't think it is important to go back decades to decide who did what to who, and who should have made different choices long ago. But, there is more to this than is being posted here, so I'm going to go back to the other thread and read that before wading in any deeper here.

I just can't see being drawn into another one-sided thread; when one poster starts several threads all basically having the same theme, I feel as if I am being forced to do nothing but see the bad side of one side of the conflict as the wrongs of the other are dismissed by said poster. I feel this way about anyone who starts thread after thread about the same topic, and generally start avoiding those threads.

Edit: That thread is 46 pages long! I'll read it, but not within any time frame to rejoin this conversation. Carry on, forget I was here!

I quit posting in that thread myself, when my last post received nothing but a 'nice source, hehe' response from naomi.

[DogOnPorch]

I quit posting in that thread myself, when my last post received nothing but a 'nice source, hehe' response from naomi.

Opinions like naiomi's are troublesome as they have little grounding in the actual history of the area. Not to mention she probably has a poster of Yvonne Ridley and George Galloway on her wall just to keep the latest intifada alive in her brain.

Edited November 21, 2009 by DogOnPorch