Health spending to hit $183.1 B, or $5,452 per Canadian

[madmax]

Still should have the audit and study, lots of waste in the world of bureaucrats, they probably could be a Little more efficient.

Nonsense. We increased Health Care spending in Ontario. $1 Billion went to Liberal Friendly Consultants. There is no recommendations available from these consultants. But they did bring back the brochures of some of the finest restaurants and luxury hotels in Ontario, and Alberta. Yes, nothing like a nice flight to friendly Alberta to investigate your Restaurants and Hotels.. I mean health care system. Apparently lost the minutes on the flight back. :angry:

"they probably could be a little more efficient" theres an understatement

[bjre]

I don't even know what you are saying

I mean the $8000 per person US health cost is totally rely on their debt. They use their children's money to pay their cost, if not, they have only one other choice, rob more from the world through wars, and IMF, World Bank, WTO.

Is Canada able to do these?

[punked]

I mean the $8000 per person US health cost is totally rely on their debt. They use their children's money to pay their cost, if not, they have only one other choice, rob more from the world through wars, and IMF, World Bank, WTO.

Is Canada able to do these?

Again what are you talking about? The US being in debt has nothing to do with Canada. All you have to do is make tough decisions. If Canada wants to spend 8000 per person on health care, (which isn't the goal, the goal was to increase health care spending to an sustainable level while making the service better) they could however that might mean a cut in military spending, or in Social housing or hopefully an increase in public revenues. I suggest you read the 10 year plan to make health care better.

[Topaz]

Are those cost also included the operating cost to running a hospital? Wages? Are we going to starting union bash in this industry too? As far as I'm concern you can't be a PRICE on HEALTH. Cancer treatments are expensive and I think you are going to see the governments say more to the people if you want cheaper health care then start take better care of yourself. Smoking, air pollution, eating too many unhealthy foods etc. Yes, people don't like being told what we can and can't do but hey,not doing a better job of looking after ourselves DOES COST!

[Gabriel]

The government isn't spending over 5000 per person. They're spending about 3800, or 70% of the total.

Thanks for that clarification, I would have overlooked that had you not reminded me. Not that I don't trust you, but where did you learn that government spending portion of total health care costs in Canada is about 70%? I'm just curious, it's an important detail that for some reason has never occurred to me! Thanks again.

[Gabriel]

Are those cost also included the operating cost to running a hospital? Wages? Are we going to starting union bash in this industry too? As far as I'm concern you can't be a PRICE on HEALTH. Cancer treatments are expensive and I think you are going to see the governments say more to the people if you want cheaper health care then start take better care of yourself. Smoking, air pollution, eating too many unhealthy foods etc. Yes, people don't like being told what we can and can't do but hey,not doing a better job of looking after ourselves DOES COST!

Of course you're unconcerned about costs - you probably don't earn any money. Nobody is suggesting that we DON'T spend money on health care. What IS being suggested is that value for money be emphasized. This emphasis can manifest itself in various ways. For example, careful auditing of ordered treatments by doctors to identify possible frivolous use of resources, and appropriate disciplinary actions. On the other hand, an audit could also reveal that a doctor didn't request a diagnostic that would have reduced the likelihood of a patient's development of an illness, and therefore led to increased hardship for the patient as well as an increased financial burden on the public purse due to potentially higher costs associated with advanced stages of an illness. The bottom line - high standards need to be enforced.

[Smallc]

where did you learn that government spending portion of total health care costs in Canada is about 70%? I'm just curious, it's an important detail that for some reason has never occurred to me! Thanks again.

Over the last 10 years, the public-private split in health spending has stayed about the same, with government contributing about 70 per cent and private providers paying about 30 per cent.

CBC Story

[Michael Hardner]

It would be good for us to have consistent, regular breakdowns of these costs across provinces in a graphical format.

Also, it would be good to get consistent, regular breakdowns of service levels across provinces in a graphical format.

Ontario has been trying... and this is part of the eHealth fiasco too...