Smallc Posted December 10, 2009 Author Report Posted December 10, 2009 Enough of these Liberals Enough of this Senate. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/aide-paid-to-cut-trees-on-senators-personal-property-court-hears/article1395107/ Yeah, because that's a good reason to make a major constitutional change.. Quote
Smallc Posted December 10, 2009 Author Report Posted December 10, 2009 Yes. Written in the Constitution? That was never its intent. Its intention was to treat the owners of guns like criminals. No, that was never it's intention. It's intention was to prevent violence, against women in particular. It probably doesn't work at that, but it was never intended for what many paranoid people thought it was. So since it only happens to a few people that makes it okay? You have got to be kidding. I didn't say it made it ok (though it would depend on the individual cases). I simply think that it's not worth focusing too much energy on. What fixed Bill 101 in Quebec, I will need to see the proof of that. In fact I think you will do the country as well as the English speaking citizens of Quebec a large favour when you can ensure that the language police are breaking the law when they fine you for having big English letters on a sign in front of your shop. You can now have English on your sign....you simply need to have french more prominent. It's stupid, but now that English is allowed, it's not hurting too many people. Quebec's official language is French and French is protected in that province. That's simply one of the many realities of this country. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 The scandal that won't go away.... CBC News Quote
myata Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 The scandal will always be with us till the archaic electoral system persists. There's no transparency, no serious checks and balances on the majority government in this system and eventually it's bound to start feeling allmighty and roll off the rails. At which time (the only possible) opposition takes their turn and has their run with the power. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Mr.Canada Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 January 2010 and we'll have A Tory majority in the Senate. This is great news. Once the Liberal leadership debate spills inot the public from the liberal backrooms their support will crumble, that's the time for Harper to start using brinkmanship to his advantage as the Liberals who are in a leadership crisis will never bring down the government right away. When they finally do it will be too late and it'll be a Tory majority, finally. Then we'll have control of the Senate and of the house and the takeover will be complete. Harper will have 4 years to do what ever he wants with nothing anyone can do about it. Ignatieff has been an invisible leader all year pretty much and has done nothing to bolster the Liberal numbers at all. They arer the same as when he took over from Dion. He was supposed to be the savior of the Liberal party remember jdobbin, and others? He's just visiting, he'll be back into Harvard very soon. Politics is hard eh Iggy? He thought it was easy to make priorities. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
madmax Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 (edited) January 2010 and we'll have A Tory majority in the Senate. This is great news. Hurray for another group of patronage appointment clowns. 3 Cheers for Diane Finleys husband. 3 cheers for Conservative Hacks. 3 cheers for no integrity, no honesty, and pure political partisan bloodsport. All hail Conservative Patronage.... Way to derail a thread. You always find a way to give the LPC a way out. If we are going to cheer for the Conservatives.... heres a good chorus to chime in on. How about that Harper Sales Tax. Edited December 10, 2009 by madmax Quote
punked Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 Yeah, because that's a good reason to make a major constitutional change.. Yah the Senate stealing our money over and over again is a great reason for constitutional change. You might forget this but America fought a civil war over people taking there money and not giving elected representation. A constitutional change is nothing when it is needed. Quote
Smallc Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) You might forget this but America fought a civil war over people taking there money and not giving elected representation. Good for them. I don't live there and I don't care to follow their example. Historically, that's not how change happens here. The Senate is almost impossible to remove, so you're probably simply going to have to get over it. As a great book says 1) don't sweat the small stuff and 2) it's all small stuff. A Constitutional change is a huge deal in this country...especially when there is so little reason for it. Edited December 11, 2009 by Smallc Quote
punked Posted December 11, 2009 Report Posted December 11, 2009 Good for them. I don't live there and I don't care to follow their example. Historically, that's not how change happens here. The Senate is almost impossible to remove, so you're probably simply going to have to get over it. As a great book says 1) don't sweat the small stuff and 2) it's all small stuff. A Constitutional change is a huge deal in this country...especially when there is so little reason for it. I don't consider paying 100 million a year too people who end up stealing more from use small stuff. Quote
Smallc Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Posted December 11, 2009 Well, in the scheme of a $200B budget, it's small stuff....given that we live in the society that we do partly because of that Senate, it's small stuff. Quote
punked Posted December 11, 2009 Report Posted December 11, 2009 Well, in the scheme of a $200B budget, it's small stuff....given that we live in the society that we do partly because of that Senate, it's small stuff. What a silly claim. Your reasons for having a Senate get lazier by the day. Get rid of them already. Quote
Smallc Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Posted December 11, 2009 I find it useful to not go through the same reasons time and again. I don't think the institutions that have led Canada to where it is are silly at all. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I know what's best. I like this country, and I want to keep the things that have made this country. The Senate is part of that, as is the Commons, and the Crown. Reform the Senate? Maybe. Get rid of it? Most certainly not. Quote
punked Posted December 11, 2009 Report Posted December 11, 2009 I find it useful to not go through the same reasons time and again. I don't think the institutions that have led Canada to where it is are silly at all. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I know what's best. I like this country, and I want to keep the things that have made this country. The Senate is part of that, as is the Commons, and the Crown. Reform the Senate? Maybe. Get rid of it? Most certainly not. I agree Canada is a great country but all great nations must go through periods of change. Know what else helped make this country great the cod. Does that mean I think we should still be trying to pull in millions of tons of cod? No that is silly changing things and improvements can be made all in ever nation. The Senate is an old idea where political favors are honored. Canada is past that as a nation now let's move on. Quote
Smallc Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Posted December 11, 2009 The Senate isn't an old idea at all, and it's an idea that has tremendous value. It's simply an idea that you don't like, and I don't think that's reason enough to tear this country apart trying to get rid of it. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted December 12, 2009 Report Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) If anything I'd like to see a triple E senate. The very people who are "against" a triple E senate most likely have no idea what it is but oppose it because many Tories support it and for no other reason then their own partisanship. SmallC- just a few months ago you were on here saying how Ignatieff would crush Harper. Do you remember that? What has happened to your savior of the Liberal party? Bob Rae will be next, you are no doubt a fan of this buffoon as well. Edited December 12, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted December 12, 2009 Author Report Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) A few months ago, Ignatieff would have crushed Harper. That was the, this is now. There are those of us who oppose Triple E for different reasons. I actually think that Brian Mulroney had a not bad idea, even though it failed. Edited December 12, 2009 by Smallc Quote
punked Posted December 13, 2009 Report Posted December 13, 2009 A few months ago, Ignatieff would have crushed Harper. That was the, this is now. There are those of us who oppose Triple E for different reasons. I actually think that Brian Mulroney had a not bad idea, even though it failed. The Liberals Top Fund raiser and Director Mr. Rossi is going to quite on Monday. Quote
Smallc Posted December 13, 2009 Author Report Posted December 13, 2009 Good. I unfriended him on facebook. He was nothing but annoying. Quote
punked Posted December 13, 2009 Report Posted December 13, 2009 Good. I unfriended him on facebook. He was nothing but annoying. Thought you would like that now that you are voting NDP. Quote
Smallc Posted December 13, 2009 Author Report Posted December 13, 2009 It will probably be down to the wire again for me when it comes to voting. A year ago, I wouldn't have voted for Harper if you paid me (even though I had just voted for him in the election). Now, I probably would. I'll have a hard time voting NDP as long as Layton is still in charge. There's something about him that I simply can't stomach. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted December 13, 2009 Report Posted December 13, 2009 It's somewhat sad in a way honestly. How out of touch with Canadians the Liberals really are. It's going to be hilarious in the next election. The Liberals will no have no high ground at all on any issue and Harper will crush them especially if crime comes up as I'm sure it will. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 15, 2009 Report Posted December 15, 2009 It's somewhat sad in a way honestly. How out of touch with Canadians the Liberals really are. It's going to be hilarious in the next election. The Liberals will no have no high ground at all on any issue and Harper will crush them especially if crime comes up as I'm sure it will. There are damned few politicians in Canada in touch with reality, let alone in touch with the people. These folks are "yes" people living off of the tax dollars of citizens. They are like leeches. Quote
Smallc Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Posted December 16, 2009 If they weren't in touch with people, then they wouldn't get elected. The people simply like to complain. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 They only touch the people to take their money. Ever met a poor politician or a rich person in touch with the rest of the public? Quote
Smallc Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Posted December 16, 2009 I'm sure there are politicians that certainly aren't wealthy. Quote
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