bush_cheney2004 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 the swiss mind their own business and no one screws with them...every country could learn from that... What's to learn....Napoleon is dead now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_wars Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 and what swedish kinsmen are these????the swiss mind their own business and no one screws with them...every country could learn from that... Norwegians, while Germany was raping Norway up the bum Sweden was allowing Germany to move trroops through it and selling Germany raw materials for war. the swiss mind their own business and no one screws with them...every country could learn from that... .....the swiss didn't mind their own business during the second woprld war....they stole millions with the help of the Nazis. We should have bombed them after the war...just for the fun of it. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Machjo Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 and what swedish kinsmen are these????the swiss mind their own business and no one screws with them...every country could learn from that... I could point out that there is a fundamental difference between Swedish and Swiss neutrality. Whereas the Swiss are more isolationist, the Swedes have what we might call involved neutrality. They are memebrs of the UN, give 1% of their GDP to developing countries each year, etc. etc. etc. They are very involved in the international comunity, but just remain neutral in doing so. Personally, I prefer the Swedishover the Swiss way there. While Switzerland can ingnore certain international banking laws that can harm others beyind its borders for instance, Sweden respect these international laws. Between those two, I'd rather we go the Swedish root over Swiss one, whereby Canada still abides by international laws so as to show that we do care about how our policies affect others. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
wyly Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 There was no Imperial Germany. It ended in 1918.And if it was about money, why was every belligerent, winners and losers in debt up to their eyeballs? Imperial is a title related to a sovereign, the US had no sovereign but it was still imperialistic... it was all about money...territory=resources=money... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 So how do we hold it accountable when the will of the majority trumps justice? You can't.... Why compared? Why such moral relativism? Beats me, but it sure worked for Chretien. Certainly different countries might have differen understanings of a 'just war', and this is where a clearer internationally accepted definition might help. But as you mentioned above, we need a way to enforce it. That is the problem with such an approach.....pre-emptive wars are also legally justified. Any enforcement mechanism undermines the very concept as well (e.g. sovereignty) Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) Norwegians, while Germany was raping Norway up the bum Sweden was allowing Germany to move trroops through it and selling Germany raw materials for war.gimme a break...do a history search on Norway, Swedish, Danish relations and try to count the number of times they've been at battling over the centuries...Germany attacked their Dutch cousins with no hesitation...the USA attacked it's Canadian cousin several times with no remorse.......the swiss didn't mind their own business during the second woprld war....they stole millions with the help of the Nazis. We should have bombed them after the war...just for the fun of it.the swiss stole nothing, if someone wants to steal millions and deposit it in a Swiss bank the Swiss are guilty of nothing but extending their banking laws to everyone...my bank doesn't ask where my money comes from and neither does yours... Edited October 22, 2009 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) gimme a break...do a history search on Norway, Swedish, Danish relations and try to count the number of times they've been at battling over the centuries...Germany attacked their Dutch cousins with no hesitation...the USA attacked it's Canadian cousin several times with no remorse... "Canadian cousins"....LOL...more like redcoat loyalist bastards. Edited October 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest TrueMetis Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 "Canadian cousins"....LOL...more like redcoat loyalist bastards. Traitor. Quote
wyly Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 "Canadian cousins"....LOL...more like redcoat loyalist bastards. ok I can accept that ... but the point is we have the same beginings, more like siblings than cousins who've had a falling out from time to time... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) ok I can accept that ... but the point is we have the same beginings, more like siblings than cousins who've had a falling out from time to time... Alas, the falling out was permanent...and paths taken were quite different. Canada stayed home with the parents.....the USA literally went to California the hard way. Edited October 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 That is the problem with such an approach.....pre-emptive wars are also legally justified. Any enforcement mechanism undermines the very concept as well (e.g. sovereignty) if pre-emptive is justified why can't we put rules to that?... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 if pre-emptive is justified why can't we put rules to that?... The UN has already done so....."Canada" enjoined the concept with the Caroline Affair. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest TrueMetis Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Alas, the falling out was permanent...and paths taken were quite different. Canada stayed home with the parents.....the USA literally went to California the hard way. And now America can't ask its family to pay its rent. (had to do that) Quote
wyly Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 The UN has already done so....."Canada" enjoined the concept with the Caroline Affair. never heard of it...I'll have to look it up... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 And now America can't ask its family to pay its rent. (had to do that) America paid the family bills long ago.....Britain settled up in 2006. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 never heard of it...I'll have to look it up... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_affair This was between the British and Americans. ut is it universally recognized the world over? Certainly something isolated on the North American continent does not autoatically pertain to half a world away. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_affairThis was between the British and Americans. ut is it universally recognized the world over? Certainly something isolated on the North American continent does not autoatically pertain to half a world away. Ahhhh...another perfect example of Canada being Canada except when it's not. How convenient.....but yes, it is recognized in discussions about pre-emptive "attacks". Edited October 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_affairThis was between the British and Americans. ut is it universally recognized the world over? Certainly something isolated on the North American continent does not autoatically pertain to half a world away. cool ... obscure history, gotta love it! Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Argus Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 As for NATO, Canada needs this defence alliance more than the alliance needs Canada, we are not ready to pay for our own defence, not yet, perhaps not for another generation....to bad our kids will have to pay for our mistakes, or lack of action. Seriously, AG, we need a defence alliance with the US, maybe UK, not with the rest of them. Can you even imagine the Germans or Italians or Spanish being willing to put their troops in harms way, to have them actually fight, on our behalf? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) I can't find any quotes of MacKenize suggesting we withdraw from NATO and I seriously doubt there are any to find. A bald-faced statement? I didn't really look. I took his meaning from the following opinion piece he wrote. It's difficult to draw any other inference from it. This simple but telling example is, in my mind, the final nail in NATO's coffin. ... Any NATO member that is counting on its fellow 25 members to rush over the horizon and rescue it from annihilation in the event of an attack should closely observe what is happening in Afghanistan today. This war has demonstrated, yet again, that the immortal words of the Three Musketeers, "One for all, all for one!" - enshrined in the NATO charter in much more eloquent language - counts for absolutely nothing. ... There is no doubt the Canadian Forces need medium-lift helicopters for any number of tasks at home and abroad. However, the responsibility to provide them in a NATO operational theatre -- the alliance's first -- is not Canada's. It's time to check around to see who our real friends are. Whatever happened to all for one, one for all? Edited October 22, 2009 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
M.Dancer Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 A bald-faced statement? I didn't really look. I took his meaning from the following opinion piece he wrote.Whatever happened to all for one, one for all? I read that as well and while his criticism on NATO is bang on, no where does he state, suggest, imply or nuance that leaving NATO is a good idea. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Argus Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 I read that as well and while his criticism on NATO is bang on, no where does he state, suggest, imply or nuance that leaving NATO is a good idea. You don't think saying NATO is dead, that he can't imagine them actually come to anyone's rescue, and that it was time for us to look around and see who our real friends are was pretty obvious? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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