Councillor says Gays have 'Achieved Equality' in Toronto

[Michael Hardner]

Gays don't want equal rights they want special rights. They have equal rights now, yes but it's never enough. They always want more and more and more. They want more rights then we normal people have.

Same as the socialists, it's never enough for them either. We give in a little and they want more. Thankfully we live in an area where I encounter niether of these problems on a daily basis, everyone is normal.

I want to live in a world where men are men are women are women. Not a place like Toronto where men can be women. I find the thought of a man sticking his penis into the rectum(the anus, where poop comes out) of another hairy man to be revolting and quite disgusting so I choose to not surround myself with that. But hey to each their own honestly, I just don't want it near me.

We don't need it shoved into our faces during their "parade" which is a voyeur festival with people performing live sex acts on our streets. This parade which is funded by our tax dollars I might add. They call it a day for families. however I find that anyone who would take their children to the parade to be guilty of child abuse. Children don't need to see naked women and naked men. People get locked up for that.

Ok, well, your post is a little strange.

1) Give us an example of what you mean about 'special rights'.

2) If you're revolted by gay sex, for God's sake stop thinking about it in detail as you have posted here.

3) Stay away from the parade. It doesn't feature live sex acts. There are no naked people in the parade.

[Mr.Canada]

Ok, well, your post is a little strange.

1) Give us an example of what you mean about 'special rights'.

2) If you're revolted by gay sex, for God's sake stop thinking about it in detail as you have posted here.

3) Stay away from the parade. It doesn't feature live sex acts. There are no naked people in the parade.

Gays want to be treated differently then the average person, better in some instances. They want preferential treatment ot jobs. If they don't get hired , it's automatically because they're gay and they go to the tibunal over it. It's just silly. PC gone crazy. I liked it better when they were in the closet and it wasn't socially acceptable.

There sure are naked people in the parade. I went to it once. Not on purpose but I was downtown for some reason or another and decided to see what was going on. It was maybe 10 years ago and I saw topless women and bottomless men on a float that had a kiddie pool on it and they were shooting the crowd with water guns. All along the parade route there were people performing live sex acts in public. This is disgusting and deplorable.

[ToadBrother]

Gays want to be treated differently then the average person, better in some instances. They want preferential treatment ot jobs. If they don't get hired , it's automatically because they're gay and they go to the tibunal over it. It's just silly. PC gone crazy.

Yes, imagine someone not wanting to be persecuted. Everything was so much better when women didn't get the vote and before that troublemaker Rosa Parks made good honest white folk sit with the darkies.

I liked it better when they were in the closet and it wasn't socially acceptable.

I'm sure you did. It probably meant those strange stirrings you feel when you secretly watch Pride Parades (which you seem to have an odd fixation on) would go away.

And as if to prove my point for me...

There sure are naked people in the parade. I went to it once. Not on purpose but I was downtown for some reason or another and decided to see what was going on. It was maybe 10 years ago and I saw topless women and bottomless men on a float that had a kiddie pool on it and they were shooting the crowd with water guns. All along the parade route there were people performing live sex acts in public. This is disgusting and deplorable.

This story gets better every time you tell it.

Edited January 14, 2010 by ToadBrother

[Michael Hardner]

Gays want to be treated differently then the average person, better in some instances. They want preferential treatment ot jobs. If they don't get hired , it's automatically because they're gay and they go to the tibunal over it. It's just silly. PC gone crazy. I liked it better when they were in the closet and it wasn't socially acceptable.

I've never heard that before. Can you provide an example ? Even an individual person going to a tribunal over discrimination doesn't prove that "gays want to be treated better".

Give me a link if you have one.

There sure are naked people in the parade. I went to it once. Not on purpose but I was downtown for some reason or another and decided to see what was going on. It was maybe 10 years ago and I saw topless women and bottomless men on a float that had a kiddie pool on it and they were shooting the crowd with water guns. All along the parade route there were people performing live sex acts in public. This is disgusting and deplorable.

Ok... so you don't like gays, yet you convey vivid images of gay sex, and attend the pride parade. All right. The cops started telling men to cover up years ago, when the parade began really being promoted by the city. I have never seen people performing live sex acts in public view, but maybe you were looking more closely than I do.

Topless women are legal, by the way.

[Oleg Bach]

Seeing this councillor states that equal rights have been achieved by this special interest group, then it would be fair to assume that equal rights have been achieved by everyone! So from here on in let it be a case of natural law - let nature take it's course and lets stop granting favour to all speacial interest groups!

Lets see if there really is a law that states SURVIVAL of the fittest! Those that do not want to look at what they consider aberant actions of the gays can not turn away or turn the channel - We are saturated with this rampant and selfish hedonism and body worship - woman now tone their bodies to look like young men and young men look like the fatless woman - This unisexist crap is a distortion of the phisical body...Arrogance and vanity make it very difficult these days for straight guys to continue with the traditional family - mating is becoming more and more complex and sexually deviant pollution is slowly bringing our species to an abrupt halt in so far as breedging. We are now a culture of freaks with totally distorted values...What bothers me the most about the influx and forced gayification - is that gays have now infected and caused a dedective modern female to form - no woman and not man - I don't like it - The gays can back off now - they have done enough harm..and so have the straight from soccer moms to politicans - who inforce the gay agenda as if it's something good - explain that to the bulemic girl who's expectations of body image is now governed by the highly gay fashion and entertainment industry -

[Michael Hardner]

Seeing this councillor states that equal rights have been achieved by this special interest group, then it would be fair to assume that equal rights have been achieved by everyone! So from here on in let it be a case of natural law - let nature take it's course and lets stop granting favour to all speacial interest groups!

What favours ?

Lets see if there really is a law that states SURVIVAL of the fittest!

That's a law of nature that we have supplanted with the laws of man.

If you don't agree, then I challenge you to a duel in the town square.

Those that do not want to look at what they consider aberant actions of the gays can not turn away or turn the channel - We are saturated with this rampant and selfish hedonism and body worship - woman now tone their bodies to look like young men and young men look like the fatless woman - This unisexist crap is a distortion of the phisical body...Arrogance and vanity make it very difficult these days for straight guys to continue with the traditional family - mating is becoming more and more complex and sexually deviant pollution is slowly bringing our species to an abrupt halt in so far as breedging. We are now a culture of freaks with totally distorted values...What bothers me the most about the influx and forced gayification - is that gays have now infected and caused a dedective modern female to form - no woman and not man - I don't like it - The gays can back off now - they have done enough harm..and so have the straight from soccer moms to politicans - who inforce the gay agenda as if it's something good - explain that to the bulemic girl who's expectations of body image is now governed by the highly gay fashion and entertainment industry -

More lamenting here, this time a lament about hedonism and our shallow cultural values.

Like maple_leaf182, I invite you to submit a suggestion. Here's a hint: if it it's as anti-gay as the rest of your post here, it won't fly. Acceptance is the norm now in polite society.

[Oleg Bach]

You have finally and perfectly given a definition of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. To quote - you..."Exceptance is now the norm in polite society" _ Last time I heard a person use the term polite society - it was by an arch crook and scoundrel hiding under the thin vineer of civility . What you are saying is that one must not judge at all. That one must except everything and everybody fully - that good and evil or right and wrong no longer have a place in human life...Lastly Michael my little friend - as for the "duel" in the town square - You will bring one Fender Telecaster and one small amp...I will bring the same - as the crowd gathers we will duel musically - and I guarentee you I will lift their spirts to new heights and you will parrot badly played and phoney Rush guitar solos....and like a cheeze ball jazz performer will gain exceptance and funding from the banks and I will find exceptance in the real people. Set a date and arrange the venue _ Dundas Square will be fine!

[Oleg Bach]

I posture and aggrivate - but in real life let me tell you Mike my boy...I tolerate everyone - I do not except anyone fully - not my kids or accociates or friends or current former wife. Truely I am kind to the lowest beggar - to the aids infested gay man sustained by very expensive medications - I am kind to the average crack head and beggar - to even the highest of investment bankers I love them all - well - as for the investment banker - I have finally closed my account and with drawn my tolerance accenptance and love for that matter...boy Mike _ you sure now how to get me going - and as far as sending you a little something - you had better be specific.

[Michael Hardner]

What you are saying is that one must not judge at all. That one must except everything and everybody fully - that good and evil or right and wrong no longer have a place in human life...Lastly Michael my little friend - as for the "duel" in the town square - You will bring one Fender Telecaster and one small amp...I will bring the same - as the crowd gathers we will duel musically - and I guarentee you I will lift their spirts to new heights and you will parrot badly played and phoney Rush guitar solos....and like a cheeze ball jazz performer will gain exceptance and funding from the banks and I will find exceptance in the real people. Set a date and arrange the venue _ Dundas Square will be fine!

Judge all you like - gays, guitarists, or shot putters - but in polite society keep it in your head if you don't want to have the effect of a fart at a Saturday dance. This is advice I'm giving you for your benefit, to help you with your cause of fighting hedonism.

re: the guitar duel - As long as we're allowed to sing, then I will reduce you to a smoking and gurgling bubble of human cheese on the pavement.

[Michael Hardner]

boy Mike _ you sure now how to get me going - and as far as sending you a little something - you had better be specific.

Getting you going is a good thing - that's creative energy you're feeling - now go and write an anti-hedonism manifesto we can all get behind !

[ToadBrother]

...now go and write an anti-hedonism manifesto we can all get behind !

There's something not quite right with this sentence

[Michael Hardner]

There's something not quite right with this sentence

We can all hide behind ?

[Oleg Bach]

There's something not quite right with this sentence

You are quick Toad - I chuckled for at least 40 seconds. Getting back to Michael for a moment. This manifesto as you call it is of utmost importance. Pleasure and uncontrolled addiction to pleasure usually begins in young men who encounter young woman for the first time. If a grandmother explains to her female ward on how to capture a perspective mate she might suggest going for the brain via the spinal cord that is connected almost directly to the end of the penis. That was my first experience - my first romance consisted of "oh my God I can barely breathe - she's got it in her mouth - a very articulated attack by an orifice that is shrewd..that captured my good sense and judgement utterly destroying it in the end. Yes that was the begining of my down fall - when those heroine like secretions began to generate my never ending quest for prolonged and sustained eternal pleasure - I was now offically the slave of an heiress with out remorse or heed for my well being. How is that for an opener?

[Michael Hardner]

Getting back to Michael for a moment. This manifesto as you call it is of utmost importance. Pleasure and uncontrolled addiction to pleasure usually begins in young men who encounter young woman for the first time. ... How is that for an opener?

Crazy opener, but get writing if it's important. Get thyself a blog at Blogspot.com.

[Oleg Bach]

Crazy opener, but get writing if it's important. Get thyself a blog at Blogspot.com.

Blog....? That's so yesterday. Checked that out a couple of years ago..no traffic..no money - and yes - I have changed..I am no longer "just a boy giving it all away" . What I think and believe I should do is start pushing the music..I have met some of the greatest young players and writers in the last few years _ I love performing - but..have figured out that at my age - to produce and orgainize and encourage performers might be more satifying and earth changing. There is a venue near by and I might just start up something grand - a great review of sorts - because of my keen eye and overly active harsh judgement ...I have become very useful in finding out what is wrong with something and how to bring it to it's greatest potential quickly.

Yes I am a sixties save the world kid still - and spirit and music contains much more power to force poistive change along than sitting down typing away at a blog along with a million others..thanks any way - BUT if you suggested publishing a well edited piece in say a place like the National Post - then that might get my interest up. In the meantime Michael - forget the duel - you don't sound like a very skilled or challenging person - as I said to BC - my all time favorite line in a film was "Finally, a man worth killing" - and Mikey boy - I don't think it's worth it....so what else yah got?

[Michael Hardner]

In the meantime Michael - forget the duel - you don't sound like a very skilled or challenging person - as I said to BC - my all time favorite line in a film was "Finally, a man worth killing" - and Mikey boy - I don't think it's worth it....so what else yah got?

Nothing. I don't know why I don't sound challenging, but peace out.

Edited January 14, 2010 by Michael Hardner

[Born Free]

Seeing this councillor states that equal rights have been achieved by this special interest group, then it would be fair to assume that equal rights have been achieved by everyone! So from here on in let it be a case of natural law - let nature take it's course and lets stop granting favour to all speacial interest groups!

It was because of special interest groups fighting for years to acquire equal rights for gays. They were never granted as a favour as you so eloquently like to put it...

[ToadBrother]

It was because of special interest groups fighting for years to acquire equal rights for gays. They were never granted as a favour as you so eloquently like to put it...

No kidding. Every step of the way has been a fight. I mean, anti-sodomy laws were only deemed unconstitutional in the US in 2003, and that over Scalia's objections. This idea that somehow the Gay Fairy (pun intended) bequeathed upon homosexuals some special rights apart is bizarre.

[Oleg Bach]

To much energy and interest go into sexuality. Gays sex is not sex as defined by natural law. Mr. Hardner said that we now live in a society that is "polite" and that exceptance of everything and everybody is the norm. He also states that laws of nature no longer apply and that the laws of man now rule in totality! I can not agree with the flaunting and forced man made laws born in political correctness which supposedly are the only way for society to proceed.

To go against the laws of phyisics which is natural law is going to cause problems. Sure we can create an artifical man made world..and sure the dream might last a while, but - eventually like our banking system - it collapses because it is not real. Having put that forth in regards to human sexuality - well - don't tell me that a man is a woman and a woman can play the role of the man. To unify the sexes into some sort of grey mush and call that great compromise exceptance makes no sense to me.

If you have anysort of strangely over creative behaviour or beliefs that might be considered aberant..then privacy become the issue _ If Trudeau said that the state has no buisness in the bedroom then the public has a right to privacy and not have to be bombarded by what appears to be some sort of sordid gayification and force exceptance of gayification - I really don't want to know about gays - nor do I want a discript on what straight people do in the bedroom. Time for everyone - straight - asexual or gay get back into the closet. These matters should be kept private.

As for gays in positions of authority favouring other gays over straights - well it's much like the casting couch in the movie buisness - some sell their ass for a break in buisness and politics.. BUT favour through supplying pleasure to a person in power- is short lived and those that submit hoping to find favour in this manner are always disposed of eventually.

[Born Free]

To much energy and interest go into sexuality. Gays sex is not sex as defined by natural law.

Is this from some old sermon given by Rev Falwell or from one of them there Priests who loved to diddle kids? Perhaps its just a copy of a thesis from a devout homophobe.

[ToadBrother]

To go against the laws of phyisics which is natural law is going to cause problems.

Okay, stop right there. Animal behaviors are not part of the laws of physics, other than that they, like all behavior of all matter and energy, are constrained by certain principles. Anal sex does not violate the laws of physics.

[Oleg Bach]

Born Free appeals to the gods of liberality who's only method of retribution against infidels like me is to invoke words like "diddler" which is an old school term so I assume that Born Free is some old man...also Born Free goes on about religion..some character named Rev Falwell...which means that he might be some soiled old Catholic that confessed a little to much. This vain attempt to piss me off is not going to work - and that "homophobia" bit...boring! Now Toad Brother says that sodomy is a good ol thing to do if you are an ol bugger - and it does not defy the laws of phisics. It might defy the laws of ordinary hygene..If Toad thinks there is no consequential rathful infection about to occur in the shaft of his penis because he has crammed some ones poop up there he has another thing coming... I am not anti-person..gay or not...in fact I hug my gay associates if I feel generous but I don't cuddle to long..... What pisses me off is that....

BORN FREE brought children into the equation..the mention of molestation and sexual interference is not exceptable here...why did you think of this stuff? I was not thinking of it.

[Mr.Canada]

Here's a hint: if it it's as anti-gay as the rest of your post here, it won't fly. Acceptance is the norm now in polite society.

It's only widely acceptable in the urban centres. This is yet again another example of the urban voters thinking they can tell the rest of us how we should live. The arrogance of the city dwellers is utterly appalling. Sorry but not all of us want to live near your high rises and endless development and choose to reject your urban utopia.

Why is this such a problem?

Urban people feel the need to try and "educate" us who live outside the major urban centres to their brand of social values. Perhaps the problem isn't that we don't understand what you people have been yelling about for decades but rather we don't identify with it and choose to reject it as foriegn to our own sense of moral values.

Anal sex does not violate the laws of physics.

HIV was spread from gay men first. HIV positive Patient Zero was a gay man from Quebec who was a flight attendant and spread the disease through anal sex. HIV and AIDS were problems in the gay community before they were problems elsewhere.

Edited January 18, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Guest TrueMetis]

HIV was spread from gay men first. HIV positive Patient Zero was a gay man from Quebec who was a flight attendant and spread the disease through anal sex. HIV and AIDS were problems in the gay community before they were problems elsewhere.

Sure it was

HIV is thought to have originated in non-human primates in sub-Saharan Africa and transferred to humans early in the 20th century.[147] The first paper recognizing a pattern of opportunistic infections was published on June 4, 1981.[148]

Both types of the virus are believed to have originated in West-Central Africa and jumped species (zoonosis) from a non-human primate to humans. HIV-1 is thought to have originated in southern Cameroon after jumping from wild chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes troglodytes) to humans during the twentieth century.[149][150] It evolved from a Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIVcpz).[151] HIV-2, on the other hand, may have originated from the Sooty Mangabey (Cercocebus atys), an Old World monkey of Guinea-Bissau, Gabon, and Cameroon.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Origins

So where exactly did you get your bullshit story? Did you just make it up on the spot?

[charter.rights]

dbl post

Edited January 18, 2010 by charter.rights