madmax Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Posted October 15, 2009 The headline should have been CPC logo on prop cheque. All those big cheques are props. And there is a BIG FAT CONSERVATIVE LOGO on the cheque. Apparently, when I first saw this story, I felt it was going nowhere. A one off screwup by some very very very very very stupid staffers. However, the MP darn well knows better too, but I bet he thought, hey, maybe we can get away with this and the public will think it is the Conservative Party that hands out money. (Ironic actually). However, this silly screwup made national coverage and apparently is going over like a bad cheque in the by election in Nova Scotia. Yes people there just tossed out an inept and semi corrupt government and it doesn't bode well for those who want to reclaim the seat as a CPC riding, when the Province just did a major housecleaning to get a breathe of fresh air. If the CPC lose the safe seat in Nova Scotia, it is a foolish price to pay. Quote
Bryan Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Much ado about nothing. If this is what constitutes a controversy, that only goes to prove what a great job the Conservatives are doing otherwise. Quote
Riverwind Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it: OTTAWA; QUEBEC CITY - Jean Chretien, the Prime Minister, yesterday said his government had nothing to apologize for in seeking to reap maximum partisan political benefit from disbursing $1-billion worth of federal job grants across Canada each year.He had always made sure since taking power in October, 1993, that voters were left in no doubt that it was his Liberals who were distributing such grants, he said. "Listen," he added, "we are the government ... I don't see why we can't try to get credit for what we do. I hope we do so. There is nothing to be ashamed in that." h/t sda http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/ Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
jdobbin Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Much ado about nothing. If this is what constitutes a controversy, that only goes to prove what a great job the Conservatives are doing otherwise. However, Harper used to scream about it when the Liberal did it. He was wrong then, right? Quote
Bryan Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 However, Harper used to scream about it when the Liberal did it. He was wrong then, right? Harper didn't do it. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Harper didn't do it. Pardon? Harper used to complain about the Liberals going around and taking credit for exactly the same thing he is being criticized for now. You are saying he said nothing? Quote
punked Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Pardon? Harper used to complain about the Liberals going around and taking credit for exactly the same thing he is being criticized for now.You are saying he said nothing? I will say it, the Liberals and Conservatives are the same, lets vote for someone else. You seem to be saying they are the same a lot lately. Quote
Bryan Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Pardon? Harper used to complain about the Liberals going around and taking credit for exactly the same thing he is being criticized for now.You are saying he said nothing? I'm saying he didn't put the logo on the prop for the photo-op. Harper's opinion is unchanged, he is saying the same thing now as he said then. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 I'm saying he didn't put the logo on the prop for the photo-op. Harper's opinion is unchanged, he is saying the same thing now as he said then. He used to complain about Liberal MPs taking credit for federal spending at news conferences. He is doing the way he criticized in the past. Quote
Bryan Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 He used to complain about Liberal MPs taking credit for federal spending at news conferences. He is doing the way he criticized in the past. No he isn't. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 No he isn't. So he never criticized Liberals for presenting cheques in their their ridings. You really sticking to that argument? Quote
kimmy Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 The headline should have been CPC logo on prop cheque. Yeah, I'm sure nobody is accusing them of producing their own currency or anything. It's the overall message that's the problem. What message does giving out big dumb novelty cheques with a Conservative logo on them send? "Conservatives give you money!" That money didn't come from the Conservatives. It came from the Canadian taxpayer. They used to ridicule the Liberals for this kind of thing, now they're doing it themselves. That's embarrassing. I'm sure this "Keddy" character came up with the idea himself, but it's embarrassing for the whole party, for obvious reasons. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Bryan Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 So he never criticized Liberals for presenting cheques in their their ridings. You really sticking to that argument? I never made any such argument. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 I never made any such argument. Harper used to criticize the Liberals for handing out cheques in their riding and taking credit. He is now doing the same. Quote
Alta4ever Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Harper used to criticize the Liberals for handing out cheques in their riding and taking credit. He is now doing the same. I didn't see harper in that picture of Gerald Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 I didn't see harper in that picture of Gerald You didn't see Tory MPs handing out checks and taking credit for them? You don't remember Harper criticizing it? Quote
Bryan Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Harper used to criticize the Liberals for handing out cheques in their riding and taking credit. He is now doing the same. No he isn't. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 No he isn't. I guess that will be for the Ethics Commissioner to decide. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Pardon? Harper used to complain about the Liberals going around and taking credit for exactly the same thing he is being criticized for now.You are saying he said nothing? We've had this discussion before dobbin. The government isn't just what you see on question period it's massive, employing thousands of people. The PM cannot possibly know what is going on in every corner of the country in minute detail. No one can. Frankly, I don't want him to as he's got more important things to do like keep driving the economic stimulus and making sure it gets out so we can continue to see recovery. The act was in bad taste, nothing more. This is a non issue move along. I hope the Liberals have more than this to force an election with. Maybe this will be a party plank, No Party names on big prop cheques. Hey, don't knock it it's as good as any, the Liberals haven't had any direction in years, I'm giving them one. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Wild Bill Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 You didn't see Tory MPs handing out checks and taking credit for them? You don't remember Harper criticizing it? Apples and oranges, jdobbin! What we have here seems to be one MP who did something dumb. Harper has no doubt read him the Riot Act in private. As the leader, he can't do it in public without having to fire the MP. The difference is that under Chretien it appeared to be Party policy! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Topaz Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 What the Tories did is against the ethics code of government. The Tories have this game they play with the public. If they want to make a point and know that its probably wrong, they go ahead and do it or say it and they apologize say they will never do or say it again, no minister is fired and all is right with the Tory party and they have achieved what they set out to do. So its is any wonder most Canadians and the opposition parties are coming against them on this? Just look at what they have gotten away with! How far are the Tory supporter willing to let this party go before they too finally say, wait enough is enough? Is the Tory supporter moral standard higher or lower than the government's? Quote
capricorn Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 It is wrong to use a party's logo on these prop cheques. It's not good enough for Harper to simply warn MPs and their staff not to do it because it will likely happen again. Just ban the use of these photo op props. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Molly Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Apples and oranges, jdobbin! What we have here seems to be one MP who did something dumb. Harper has no doubt read him the Riot Act in private. As the leader, he can't do it in public without having to fire the MP.The difference is that under Chretien it appeared to be Party policy! Several people seem to be under the impression that it was 'just one'. News reported quite a bunch of them with CPC logos, pictures of MPs, pictures of Harper, signatures of either the MP, or of Mr. Harper.... ..so it's NOT just a one-of. It 'appear(s) to be party policy'. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Shakeyhands Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Yup... just the one.... http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article...-cheque-scandal On Thursday, the Liberals unveiled a new website featuring 181 photographs of Conservatives in various poses with oversized cheques; some of them carrying Harper's signature, some with the party logo and others with the personal signature of the Conservative MP. http://www.flickr.com/photos/conservativecheques Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jdobbin Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Apples and oranges, jdobbin! What we have here seems to be one MP who did something dumb. Harper has no doubt read him the Riot Act in private. As the leader, he can't do it in public without having to fire the MP.The difference is that under Chretien it appeared to be Party policy! It wasn't just one MP using a prop cheque with their name on it. And it does seem to be Tory policy since Harper just said yesterday that can MPs do it. The only thing he said is no Tory logo on the a prop. But it appears that they can put anything else on it including Tory party slogans like Scott Goodyear. Edited October 16, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
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