jbg Posted October 11, 2009 Report Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) Two typical pieces of news from the Ummah, a/k/a Dar Islam, a/k/a the Islamosphere: Item #1, Islamosphere Iraqi police: Anbar bombings kill 14, wound dozens (link) BAGHDAD – A series of bombings killed at least 14 people and wounded dozens more Sunday in the western Iraqi city of Ramadi, said police and hospital officials, a worrying sign that violence may be on the rise in this former hotbed of the insurgency. The first explosion occurred in a parking lot in Ramadi, when a parked car exploded near the police headquarters for Anbar province and the provincial council building, said a local police official. As police and bystanders rushed to the scene, a second car parked in the vicinity blew up, said the police official. According to the official, a third vehicle exploded about an hour later near the gates to the Ramadi hospital. Multiple explosions timed to kill rescuers and security forces responding to an earlier bomb were a hallmark of Al-Qaida in Iraq forces during the height of the insurgency. One bystander, Musaab Ali Mohammed, said he was buying cigarettes from a shop near the police headquarters when he heard a big explosion and smoke billowing out from the parking lot. (snip) Item #2, Islamosphere Bloody siege at Pakistan army HQ ends with 19 dead (link) RAWALPINDI, Pakistan – Pakistani commandos freed dozens of hostages held by militants at the army's own headquarters Sunday, ending a bloody, 22-hour drama that embarrassed the nation's military as it plans a new offensive against al-Qaida and the Taliban. At least 19 people died in the standoff, including three captives and eight of the militants, who wore army fatigues in the audacious assault. The rescue operation began before dawn Sunday, ultimately freeing 42 hostages, the military said. One attacker, described as the militants' ringleader, was captured. ************ Five heavily armed militants took the hostages after they and about four other assailants attacked the headquarters' main gate Saturday, killing six soldiers, including a brigadier and a lieutenant colonel. The gunmen arrived in a white van that reportedly had army license plates. No group claimed responsibility, but authorities said they were sure the Pakistani Taliban or an allied Islamist militant group were behind the strike. While Israel is blamed for all this mayhem, this is what Israelis were typically up to (link): Story No. 1 - Israel Cardiac Muscle Patch Succeeds In Animals (link) Scientists in Israel have successfully grown heart muscle in the abdomen and then used it to patch and repair the hearts of rats after they had suffered heart attack. This is the first study to show it is possible to improve the health of a heart after it has been damaged through heart attack. The experiment was conducted by lead author Dr Tal Dvir, of the Department of Biotechnology Engineering at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in Beer-Sheva, Israel and colleagues, and appears in the 24 August online issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, PNAS. The authors wrote that recent progress in bioengineering of cardiac patches has raised the possibility of regenerating heart muscle after it has been damaged through heart attack. Story # 2 - Israel Technion Develops World's Smallest Medical Robot (link) (link) Scientists at Israel's Technion Institute of Technology have created a tiny robot able to crawl through a person's veins in order to diagnose and potentially treat artery blockage and cancer. The world's smallest robot, with a diameter of one millimetre, it is powered by an external magnetic field allowing it to be controlled for an unlimited amount of time during medical procedures. The world's smallest robot, with a diameter of one millimetre, was created by Oded Solomon of the mechanical engineering department at the Technion, who teamed up with Dr. Nir Schwalb of the Judea and Samaria College in Ariel. The robot has the unique ability to "crawl" through the inner walls of blood vessels using tiny arms which allows it to withstand blood pressure in order to progress through veins and arteries. The robot is powered by an external magnetic field allowing it to be controlled for an unlimited amount of time during medical procedures. Edited October 11, 2009 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Sir Bandelot Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 What exactly is your point here? You waiting for, applause or something? "Hooray for the Jews, down with Muslims." There, feel good now? Quote
jbg Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Posted October 12, 2009 What exactly is your point here? You waiting for, applause or something?"Hooray for the Jews, down with Muslims." There, feel good now? My point is to emphasize what should be obvious; that there is no equivalence between the civilized world and barbarians. We spend too much time arguing the fine points about what rights those that want us dead have. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
kactus Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) My point is to emphasize what should be obvious; that there is no equivalence between the civilized world and barbarians. And which countries would be in that civilised world versus the barbarians exactly!? Is this another tactic to lump all those countries within close proximity to Israel!??? It's the same argument over and over again.... It's just your assertions which is is intended to deliberately blow the trumpet for jews and label the rest as evil. What the heck if I had jewish roots I would also unreservedly support Israel against the so called barbarians.... Back in the old days the civilised world was meant to refer to the west against barbarian communist east Russia! With the communism gone middles eastern countries are the target irrespective of the country.... Edited October 12, 2009 by kactus Quote
wulf42 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) My point is to emphasize what should be obvious; that there is no equivalence between the civilized world and barbarians. We spend too much time arguing the fine points about what rights those that want us dead have. exactly right !! Radicle Islamo's are and always will be barbarians..which is why the civilized world will always be on guard against these animals! Edited October 12, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) I see, so your message is that you believe muslims are barbarians, and zionists are civilized. So muslims are the untermensch, compared to zionists. I guess these muslims don't count: Abdus Salam: Pakistani. Winner of Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979 Ahmed Zewail: Egyptian. Winner of Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1999 Farouk El-Baz: Egyptian. NASA scientist involved in the Apollo moon program Essam Heggy: Egyptian-Libyan. Planetary scientist in NASA's Mars exploration program Lotfi Asker Zadeh: Iranian. Mathematician and computer scientist, founder of fuzzy logic, which recognizes more than simple true-or-false values. Used in artificial intelligence applications and some spell-checkers to suggest replacements for misspelled words Habiba Bouhamed Chaabouni: Tunisian. Medical geneticist, winner of 2006 UNESCO Women in Science Award They could be dangerous. Maybe we should make them wear armbands, eh jbg? Edited October 12, 2009 by Sir Bandelot Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 kactus: Back in the old days the civilised world was meant to refer to the west against barbarian communist east Russia! With the communism gone middles eastern countries are the target irrespective of the country.... How quickly some forget whose side the Syrian, Egyptians were on back in the 'old days'. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 I see, so your message is that you believe muslims are barbarians, and zionists are civilized.So muslims are the untermensch, compared to zionists. I guess these muslims don't count: Abdus Salam: Pakistani. Winner of Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979 Ahmed Zewail: Egyptian. Winner of Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1999 Farouk El-Baz: Egyptian. NASA scientist involved in the Apollo moon program Essam Heggy: Egyptian-Libyan. Planetary scientist in NASA's Mars exploration program Lotfi Asker Zadeh: Iranian. Mathematician and computer scientist, founder of fuzzy logic, which recognizes more than simple true-or-false values. Used in artificial intelligence applications and some spell-checkers to suggest replacements for misspelled words Habiba Bouhamed Chaabouni: Tunisian. Medical geneticist, winner of 2006 UNESCO Women in Science Award They could be dangerous. Maybe we should make them wear armbands, eh jbg? Most of those folks are Americans...no? Some, anyways. Since we're using WW2 analogies...your list would be akin to picking out good Germans in the 3rd Reich. Many existed. Many were against Hitler. The Allies bombed them anyways. That aside, I do find Islam to be a barbaric religion that, on the whole, treats women and unbelievers like rat droppings. You can point out this progressive fellow or another...but the bulk of this medieval belief system are anything but...progressive. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 This just in... Pakistan suicide bomb kills 41 A suicide car bombing targeting Pakistani troops killed 41 people Monday, the fourth grisly militant attack in just over a week, as the Taliban pledged to mobilize fighters across the country for more strikes.The Taliban also claimed responsibility for the 22-hour weekend attack on the nation's heavily fortified army headquarters, saying a cell from Pakistan's most populous province carried out the raid. The claim that a Punjabi faction of the Pakistani Taliban was behind that strike... http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/10/12/p...bombing012.html Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) Achievements of a society is not only based on religious beliefs but their intellect and competence. Here's a list of all people contributing to the society and the world at large: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irani...ts_and_scholars I don't think their achievement has anything to do with religion! Feel free to criticise the governments you don't agree with their policies but to blame the people of the region is utter stupidity and blatant ignorance! Edited October 12, 2009 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 Achievements of a society is based not only on religious beliefs. It's their intellect and competence. Here's a list of all people contributing to the society and the world at large: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irani...ts_and_scholars I don't think their achievement has anything to do with religion? Feel free to criticise the governments you don't agree with their policies but to blame the people of the region is utter stupidity and blatant ignorance! You do realize that many on that list are from the middle-ages or earlier? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) You do realize that many on that list are from the middle-ages or earlier? Yes I do... But the list goes until modern era as it is mentioned in the link! You can bring up thousands of prominent names by a google search in the modern era. Here's another one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Irania...s_and_engineers The point of contention as I already stated is mixing criticising the policies of the government with their people. Edited October 12, 2009 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 Yes I do...But the list goes until modern era as it is mentioned in the link! You can bring up thousands of prominent names by a google search in the modern era. Here's another one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Irania...s_and_engineers The point of contention as I already stated is mixing criticising the policies of the government and their people. If they were from before 700AD or so...they certainly wouldn't be Muslim. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 JBG your Muslim bashing is tiresome, illogical and pointless. It also ironically evidences you are the very uncivilized person you try portray all Muslims as being. In my opinion you are a hateful bigoted man whose sole agenda is to come on this forum and insult Muslims and claim to do so on behalf of Jews and Israel. This Jew and Zionist says to you as loud and clear as possible that you are a vile bigot in my opinion and you do not represent Jews, Israelis or Zionists. Your anti-Muslim rants reflect your views. I appreciate the majority of this forum does not engage in negative generalizations about all Jews, Israeli supporters or Israelis because of your toxic words. I am sick of your tirades against Muslims and challenge you and them as a Jew and as a Zionist. You are a nasty example of the universal bigot. You unfortunately come in all shapes, sizes, colours and religions. Quote
Rue Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 I see, so your message is that you believe muslims are barbarians, and zionists are civilized.So muslims are the untermensch, compared to zionists. I guess these muslims don't count: Abdus Salam: Pakistani. Winner of Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979 Ahmed Zewail: Egyptian. Winner of Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1999 Farouk El-Baz: Egyptian. NASA scientist involved in the Apollo moon program Essam Heggy: Egyptian-Libyan. Planetary scientist in NASA's Mars exploration program Lotfi Asker Zadeh: Iranian. Mathematician and computer scientist, founder of fuzzy logic, which recognizes more than simple true-or-false values. Used in artificial intelligence applications and some spell-checkers to suggest replacements for misspelled words Habiba Bouhamed Chaabouni: Tunisian. Medical geneticist, winner of 2006 UNESCO Women in Science Award They could be dangerous. Maybe we should make them wear armbands, eh jbg? First of all do not refer to JBG as a Zionist. What he spews is bigotry. What he spews are illogical negative generalizations about all Muslims. What he engages in is no different then what you do with ZIonists and Jews. The point is engaging in negative generalizations about an entire people for the actions of a few extremists is illogical. It is what bigots do. JBG comes on this board to incite hatred against Muslims but in fact all he does is incite anti-semitic responses against Jews, Israelis and people who support the nation of Israel's right to exist. Get it clear Zionism is not a doctrine that was ever designed to be religious or suggest Jews are superior to anyone or that Muslims or anyone else was inferior. That has nothing at all to do with Zionism. In fact JBG has engaged in so many of these anti-Muslim tirades one would suspect he is now doing it intentionally to incite anti-semitism. Do not drag Zionists into your response to him. He does not reflect anyone but himself. More to the point if you want to make your point he is a bigot do so without spitting back at anyone else. Simply respond by pointing out the positive things Muslims do and leave it at that. Your anti-Zionist comments only lower you to his irrational and vile level. Quote
Rue Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) Most of those folks are Americans...no? Some, anyways.Since we're using WW2 analogies...your list would be akin to picking out good Germans in the 3rd Reich. Many existed. Many were against Hitler. The Allies bombed them anyways. That aside, I do find Islam to be a barbaric religion that, on the whole, treats women and unbelievers like rat droppings. You can point out this progressive fellow or another...but the bulk of this medieval belief system are anything but...progressive. The point is it is illogical to blame an entire people for the extremist fundamentalist beliefs of others. The point is the extremist fundamentalists who have turned Islam into a justification to engage in violence or intolerance of others are no different in the hatred they engage in than JBG and JBG no more reflects what Jews or Israelis or Zionists think than do these extremist fundamentalists found in all religions including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. Edited October 12, 2009 by Rue Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) First of all do not refer to JBG as a Zionist. What he spews is bigotry. What he spews are illogical negative generalizations about all Muslims.What he engages in is no different then what you do with ZIonists and Jews. The point is engaging in negative generalizations about an entire people for the actions of a few extremists is illogical. It is what bigots do. JBG comes on this board to incite hatred against Muslims but in fact all he does is incite anti-semitic responses against Jews, Israelis and people who support the nation of Israel's right to exist. Do not drag Zionists into your response to him. He does not reflect anyone but himself. More to the point if you want to make your point he is a bigot do so without spitting back at anyone else. Simply respond by pointing out the positive things Muslims do and leave it at that. Your anti-Zionist comments only lower you to his irrational and vile level. For the record, I do not have any hate or anger towards Jews, nor Zionists. I used the word zionists in my post, instead of jews, because jbg used the word zionists in his subtitle. Nor did I anywhere in the post, or at any time ever to my knowledge expressed disdain for Jews. Any criticism in my post was directly solely at jbg. I say this only because such generalizations disgust me. Other than that, I applaud what you said. Edited October 12, 2009 by Sir Bandelot Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) One other thing- I was kinda surprised at what jbg wrote. I didn't realize he was quite such a bigot. Maybe he's not, and just had a bad morning. However if I were him I would take a good look at the company he's keeping here, I mean look at those who've come out to defend his views. I would not want these people defending mine. And when jbg asks: Why Do Inane Threads Catch Fire and Good Ones Die? The answer should be clear to him. Because most of us do not support such bigotry! Edited October 12, 2009 by Sir Bandelot Quote
Argus Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 The point is it is illogical to blame an entire people for the extremist fundamentalist beliefs of others. Should a man who clearly has little grasp on logic really be lecturing others on its constituent parts? Who says it's "illogical" to blame the Muslim world for its fanatics? Your continued blind devotion to the belief that fundamentalist wack jobs make up only a tiny section of the Muslim people defies all logic. People in our secular society, particularly lefties such as yourself, seem to have no difficulty referencing religious Christians over here who preach that homosexuals are evil sinners and women should stay home and obey their husband as barbarous neo-cons from the far right. Yet the vast, vast majority of the believers in the Muslim world are far and away more "conservative" in their beliefs regarding the rights of women, and such things as gay rights, freedom of religion, abortion, etc. But that never seems to stop you from calling them "moderates". And then there are the polls which show anywhere from 50-75% of the people throughout the Muslim world want to live under Sharia law in theocratic states. Apologists like you try to claim this is a reaction against their corrupt governments, but 53% of Canadian Muslims polled by the government also wanted Sharia law and 10% of them - which is a lot more than a tiny fringe group - believed that the Toronto 18 were justified in their preparation to attack and bomb Canadian institutions. I'm tired of your self-righteous rants about how kind and peace loving Muslims are. If you think they're such a wonderful people then go and find a Muslim country that'll take a grovelling Jew and go live there. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Posted October 13, 2009 The point is the extremist fundamentalists who have turned Islam into a justification to engage in violence or intolerance of others are no different in the hatred they engage in than JBG and JBG no more reflects what Jews or Israelis or Zionists think than do these extremist fundamentalists found in all religions including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.I am stunned by your trio of posts. I am not a bigot. I am pointing out inescapable facts.It is far better to face than evade them. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) The point is it is illogical to blame an entire people for the extremist fundamentalist beliefs of others. I don't blame them. I blame their cult-like religion. Islam has little tolerance for other points-of-view, makes women less than equal, calls for the murder of homosexuals, etc. If they want to ditch the medieval mumbo-jumbo where they want to tell the rest of us what to think...or else...I'd have no problem with any of the backwards third world countries of our planet who believe in divine bandit/child molestors as per Roman Polanski only much, much worse by their own accounts. The point is the extremist fundamentalists who have turned Islam into a justification to engage in violence or intolerance of others are no different in the hatred they engage in than JBG and JBG no more reflects what Jews or Israelis or Zionists think than do these extremist fundamentalists found in all religions including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. I've never seen jbg calling for the death of anyone. But you've been here longer. Edited October 13, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Peter F Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 jbg: My point is to emphasize what should be obvious; that there is no equivalence between the civilized world and barbarians. We spend too much time arguing the fine points about what rights those that want us dead have. Were the 14 dead and dozens wounded in Anbar part and parcel of Barbarians of the Islamophere? Perhaps the victims were of another faith than the barbarians lifting them out of the Barbarian catagory and into 'civilization? If the victims were also barbarians of the Islamophere what makes them different from the murderers. Or is jbg claiming the victims are as barbaric as the murderers? I'm with Rue. jbg is a bigot. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
jbg Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Posted October 13, 2009 First of all do not refer to JBG as a Zionist. What he spews is bigotry. What he spews are illogical negative generalizations about all Muslims.What he engages in is no different then what you do with ZIonists and Jews. The point is engaging in negative generalizations about an entire people for the actions of a few extremists is illogical. It is what bigots do. JBG comes on this board to incite hatred against Muslims but in fact all he does is incite anti-semitic responses against Jews, Israelis and people who support the nation of Israel's right to exist. ************* Your anti-Zionist comments only lower you to his irrational and vile level. Rue, we previously have had a certain mutual respect. If this post is over the line, I am saddened and apologize. I just have always thought it better to face facts, but maybe I should do it more diplomatically. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
naomiglover Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 jbg: You are not okay with killing ourselves but you are okay with killing others. You're half way there to being morally just. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
weareone Posted October 17, 2009 Report Posted October 17, 2009 And which countries would be in that civilised world versus the barbarians exactly!? Is this another tactic to lump all those countries within close proximity to Israel!??? It's the same argument over and over again.... It's just your assertions which is is intended to deliberately blow the trumpet for jews and label the rest as evil. What the heck if I had jewish roots I would also unreservedly support Israel against the so called barbarians.... Back in the old days the civilised world was meant to refer to the west against barbarian communist east Russia! With the communism gone middles eastern countries are the target irrespective of the country.... Having roots does not necessarily mean that those roots should be supported. As a Croat, I certainly did not support them during the Bosnian Kosovo war. I felt it was disgusting that my roots would be engaged in vile, violent, barbaric, inhumanitarian behavior. Quote
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