Mr.Canada Posted October 6, 2009 Report Posted October 6, 2009 If you cut off all forms of Welfare to the political parties even the CPC are DEAD! If you want to pick and choose which form of Political Welfare you dislike, then the $1.95 loss would wipe out the Green Party.If you get rid of the kickbacks to Donors, then many CPC and LPC donations would disappear as the contributor isn't getting their money back in Public Tax benefits. I am in favour of killing it all. No tax credits because you donate to a political party. This is wrong!!! Its a political party it's not a charity. Max, the CPC and the NDP would survive without the $1.95 per vote. The LPC and the Greens would have some trouble as they do not raise a lot of money when compared to the CPC and the NDP per capita. The CPC would be fine as our members are very active in the raising of funds and d0o a great job. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
M.Dancer Posted October 6, 2009 Report Posted October 6, 2009 If you get rid of the kickbacks to Donors, then many CPC and LPC donations would disappear as the contributor isn't getting their money back in Public Tax benefits. I am in favour of killing it all. No tax credits because you donate to a political party. This is wrong!!! Its a political party it's not a charity. I favour tax writeoffs... getting back less than you contribute in my mind is a poor kick back. Calling it a kick back is a bit over the top. And yes in a sense, they are charities....they work to improve Canada and don't make a profut. I don't favour welfare, or my tax dollars subsisizing politics. Quite frankly, any party that can't raise funds on their own is tough titty. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
ToadBrother Posted October 6, 2009 Report Posted October 6, 2009 Max, the CPC and the NDP would survive without the $1.95 per vote. The LPC and the Greens would have some trouble as they do not raise a lot of money when compared to the CPC and the NDP per capita.The CPC would be fine as our members are very active in the raising of funds and d0o a great job. But he has a good point. The real moneymaker for political parties is in the tax deductions that contributers pay. I say to hell with any form of taxpayer subsidization. Eliminate tax deductions for party donations. I'd go one step further and start taxing political donations. I don't think political parties have done their fair share in this time of economic uncertainty. They should pay their way just like anyone else. Quote
Riverwind Posted October 6, 2009 Report Posted October 6, 2009 I don't think political parties have done their fair share in this time of economic uncertainty. They should pay their way just like anyone else.Ok. Does that mean you would lift all restrictions on the source of donations? i.e. would parties be then free to accept large corporate and union donations? The per vote funding is not ideal but it did allow the government to ban large donations from a single source and that does dilute the influence rich individuals/organizations can have over the process. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
ToadBrother Posted October 6, 2009 Report Posted October 6, 2009 Ok. Does that mean you would lift all restrictions on the source of donations? i.e. would parties be then free to accept large corporate and union donations? The per vote funding is not ideal but it did allow the government to ban large donations from a single source and that does dilute the influence rich individuals/organizations can have over the process. Absolutely. And they wouldn't be donations. They would be taxable. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 6, 2009 Report Posted October 6, 2009 I would make all tax contributions 100% tax deductable raise the maximum and continue the ban on donations by organizations. Only donations from canadian citizens. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Mr.Canada Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) But he has a good point. The real moneymaker for political parties is in the tax deductions that contributers pay. I say to hell with any form of taxpayer subsidization. Eliminate tax deductions for party donations. I'd go one step further and start taxing political donations. I don't think political parties have done their fair share in this time of economic uncertainty. They should pay their way just like anyone else. The other parties would suffer from this the most as the CPC raise at least 5 times what the other parties do and 3 to 4 times as much as all the other parties combined. The CPC would vote for this in a heartbeat but the other parties would go crazy and force an election. All this without corporate/ union donations would be a boon for the Tories. I don't think corporations/Unions hsould be allowed to donate huge sums of money as it leads to the government being for sale. Edited October 7, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
ToadBrother Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 The other parties would suffer from this the most as the CPC raise at least 5 times what the other parties do and 3 to 4 times as much as all the other parties combined. Raise more money, pay more taxes. The CPC would vote for this in a heartbeat but the other parties would go crazy and force an election. I doubt very much they'd vote for an elimination of a tax credit for political donations, and much less likely would they vote for their party to pay taxes on contributions. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 I doubt very much they'd vote for an elimination of a tax credit for political donations, and much less likely would they vote for their party to pay taxes on contributions. I believe they already proposed it in the last sitting...but it has since died. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Smallc Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Conservative numbers are up in Quebec. They'll keep their seats and maybe get even more if the trend continues. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Raise more money, pay more taxes.I doubt very much they'd vote for an elimination of a tax credit for political donations, and much less likely would they vote for their party to pay taxes on contributions. Toad, how much ever it will hurt the Tories it will hurt the other parties much much more. It would pretty much destroy the Bloc and the Liberals and NDP would be badly wounded. Yeah, they would be freaking out big time. If the Tories want to trigger an election just need to include anything that cuts down on party funds in the next budget and all three would be all over it. Cutting the $1.95 subsidy was actually a popular thing with a lot of Canadians so I don't think they'd mind it. Edited October 7, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Topaz Posted October 7, 2009 Report Posted October 7, 2009 Conservative numbers are up in Quebec. They'll keep their seats and maybe get even more if the trend continues. I just wonder what the reaction was today after in the House, Minster Fletcher, came out and said the Bloc either wasn't welcome in Ottawa or shouldn't be there. I just caught the end of the statement but the Bloc were angry!!!!! Quote
Smallc Posted October 8, 2009 Report Posted October 8, 2009 They shouldn't say things like that. Every elected member has a right to sit in the House. They're guaranteed that right. Unless Fletcher is going to actually do something with his portfolio (that would be shocking) and change it....for the worse. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 8, 2009 Author Report Posted October 8, 2009 They shouldn't say things like that. Every elected member has a right to sit in the House. They're guaranteed that right. Unless Fletcher is going to actually do something with his portfolio (that would be shocking) and change it....for the worse. Careful.....Topaz has a habit of getting the facts wrong....and no cites. I'mm wait for the news report because if that's what he said, the media will be all over it. Quote Back to Basics
Smallc Posted October 8, 2009 Report Posted October 8, 2009 If he said it, it's wrong. If he didn't...he's still a useless minister with a useless portfolio. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2009 Report Posted October 8, 2009 I just wonder what the reaction was today after in the House, Minster Fletcher, came out and said the Bloc either wasn't welcome in Ottawa or shouldn't be there. I just caught the end of the statement but the Bloc were angry!!!!! What he said was that if the Bloc got their way and met every one of its goals it would have Zero seats in the House. As they would be separate and no longer apart of Canada. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
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