Liberals Plan is to Get a Plan

[Keepitsimple]

True to form, the Liberals just say "trust us with your wallets"......they'll develop a plan after they get back in power. Yes Mr. Ignatieff, you CAN do better....

In a speech to the Toronto Board of Trade today, Ignatieff said a Liberal government, upon taking office, would "open the books" and conduct a full audit of public finances.

He said after that, the Liberals would develop a transparent plan to get the country's finances in order.

Link: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090921/...natieff_economy

Edited September 21, 2009 by Keepitsimple

[punked]

True to form, the Liberals just say "trust us with your wallets"......they'll develop a plan after they get back in power. Yes Mr. Ignatieff, you CAN do better....

Link: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090921/...natieff_economy

This isn't even a Liberal Plan it is an NDP one. It is taken from the NS NDP play book almost word for word. Thanks Liberals your plan is to be the NDP accept with out all the good stuff right?

http://www.ns.ndp.ca/assets/nsndpcommitmentslores.pdf

[M.Dancer]

Sounds like he's reading Dions failed TV interview.

[waldo]

True to form, the Liberals just say "trust us with your wallets"......they'll develop a plan after they get back in power.

since the Harper Conservatives lack transparency... and have failed to properly manage the economy, only a full audit could hope to identify the depths of Conservative mismanagement. Once those depths are realized, a forthright transparent Liberal plan will provide the correction needed..... as it always has in the past when needing to clean-up after Conservative governments.

[Alex Moore]

This isn't even a Liberal Plan it is an NDP one. It is taken from the NS NDP play book almost word for word. Thanks Liberals your plan is to be the NDP accept with out all the good stuff right?

http://www.ns.ndp.ca/assets/nsndpcommitmentslores.pdf

Well Michael Iggnatieffs plan is clear then. To move in on NDP turf. Like Dion Iggnatieff intends to collect on the left vote knowing its harder to play for conservative votes and still remain the liberal party.

[dlkenny]

True to form, the Liberals just say "trust us with your wallets"......they'll develop a plan after they get back in power. Yes Mr. Ignatieff, you CAN do better....

Link: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090921/...natieff_economy

Yeah, I just went to the Liberal Party website and scanned through it. There is absolutely no platform at all...though the same could be said for everyone except the Bloc. So what is the point of having an election? What are we voting for?

[punked]

Yeah, I just went to the Liberal Party website and scanned through it. There is absolutely no platform at all...though the same could be said for everyone except the Bloc. So what is the point of having an election? What are we voting for?

http://www.ndp.ca/platform/otherpriorities

http://www.ndp.ca/sites/default/files/hfx09/Policy.pdf

So no it couldn't be said of everyone.

[madmax]

Yeah, I just went to the Liberal Party website and scanned through it. There is absolutely no platform at all...though the same could be said for everyone except the Bloc. So what is the point of having an election? What are we voting for?

The CPC pulled the plug on their own government and went to the electorate without a platform. By the end of the campaign they produced a platform so vague, it became apparent they had no plan and were unfit to govern as they lacked anykind of direction.

A platform is not a necessity in a campaign, other then perhaps something to campaign upon and then ignore, and then campaign again upon the same issue. Works everytime, and the CPC use the gun registery the same way the LPC used national childcare. Just keep promising.... and they will keep coming.

BTW.. as of today, the CPC still don't have an economic plan

Edited September 21, 2009 by madmax

[waldo]

BTW.. as of today, the CPC still don't have an economic plan

hearsay, damnit! Hearsay... how can this be? The usual suspects here on MLW continually, day in-day out, wet themselves over how well the Harper Conservatives are managing the economy. How can this be... without a plan??? One can only surmise that Deficit Jim is a wizard!

[Topaz]

This country has 1.6 MILLION people unemployed and only half are getting EI and its only till Sept.2010 for only 190,000. A large portion of the job losses were in 2008 and they aren't covered under BillC-50. Harper is in the PMO and as PM he's suppose to support ALL Canadians not just the ones in the Tory ridings and if he doesn't, ....he's gone cause he isn't and unhappy Canadians will go out and vote through rain, snow or sleet!

[punked]

This country has 1.6 MILLION people unemployed and only half are getting EI and its only till Sept.2010 for only 190,000. A large portion of the job losses were in 2008 and they aren't covered under BillC-50. Harper is in the PMO and as PM he's suppose to support ALL Canadians not just the ones in the Tory ridings and if he doesn't, ....he's gone cause he isn't and unhappy Canadians will go out and vote through rain, snow or sleet!

Why aren't those 1.6 Million getting EI again? Oh yeah the Liberals.

[Goat Boy©]

This isn't even a Liberal Plan it is an NDP one. It is taken from the NS NDP play book almost word for word. Thanks Liberals your plan is to be the NDP accept with out all the good stuff right?

http://www.ns.ndp.ca/assets/nsndpcommitmentslores.pdf

Yeah, we saw that in BC too. BC NDP based their election campaign on Liberal budget forecast, and when it was exposed to be lies, they shouted "Criminal!"

[Topaz]

Why aren't those 1.6 Million getting EI again? Oh yeah the Liberals.

AND who is trying to get the EI changed for the sake of the workers??? The Libs. because they realize times are different from when they brought those EI rules in. Too bad Harper didn't realize a whole lot more but he's very narrow minded when it comes to Canadian workers. Before his PMO apointment, he was all for the change, but not now. The NDP and the Bloc also want the change, everyone but the Tories.

[punked]

AND who is trying to get the EI changed for the sake of the workers??? The Libs. because they realize times are different from when they brought those EI rules in. Too bad Harper didn't realize a whole lot more but he's very narrow minded when it comes to Canadian workers. Before his PMO apointment, he was all for the change, but not now. The NDP and the Bloc also want the change, everyone but the Tories.

No they aren't. They walked out of the committee set up on EI, they voted against extending it too 200,000 workers. They are trying to win an election so they never have to talk about EI again. If they wanted to change EI they would have voted for the NDP bill on EI that was on the floor right after Iggy "won his summer committee" but there were just enough Liberals "sick" for the bill to fail. Nope the Liberals haven't done anything on EI.

They talking about Medicare for 70 years before they did anything on that only when the NDP forced them, they have talked about a national early education plan for 50 years and have never done anything on that.

The Liberals wont do anything on EI, you have to walk the walk before you talk the talk.

[Moonbox]

This country has 1.6 MILLION people unemployed and only half are getting EI and its only till Sept.2010 for only 190,000. A large portion of the job losses were in 2008 and they aren't covered under BillC-50.

EI was never intended to support people out of work for 2 years, particularly not overpaid auto union workers.

Harper is in the PMO and as PM he's suppose to support ALL Canadians not just the ones in the Tory ridings and if he doesn't, ....he's gone cause he isn't and unhappy Canadians will go out and vote through rain, snow or sleet!

No, that's not what he's supposed to do. He's supposed to govern Canada and act on the mandate given to him by the electorate. Unfortunately for you, "supporting" jobless Canadians (many of whom in Ontario are underqualified, uneducated and previously overpaid union employees) means taxing me and the majority of Canadians who are currently working.

I'm very much in favor of extending EI benefits to long time workers who have been contributing for a long time and who've been struggling because of the recession. On the other hand, I feel that the qualifications of EI should be stricter in this sense and that seasonal/occassional workers or the chronically unemployed should not experience the benefits of it.

[Keepitsimple]

Nope the Liberals haven't done anything on EI.

They talking about Medicare for 70 years before they did anything on that only when the NDP forced them, they have talked about a national early education plan for 50 years and have never done anything on that.

The Liberals wont do anything on EI, you have to walk the walk before you talk the talk.

How dare you spout lies. The Liberals HAVE done something. As part of their "deficit busting" program, they created what we have today......and when times got better, they never changed it.

Edited September 22, 2009 by Keepitsimple

[madmax]

How dare you spout lies. They HAVE done something. As part of their "deficit busting" program, they created what we have today......and when times got better, they never changed it.

After the recession of late 1990 early 1992, EI found itself fully balanced by 1993.

[madmax]

On the other hand, I feel that the qualifications of EI should be stricter in this sense and that seasonal/occassional workers or the chronically unemployed should not experience the benefits of it.

The people who are chronically unemployed are University Graduates with decades of experience. I am watching them go from Job to job to job with significant amounts of time "Between Assignments". This has been a trend for the last 3 to 5 years, but has been very much apparent in the past 2 years.

Some suggest they have consulting businesses to save face.

Yeah, go and shit on these people too.

Best you have a look at EI and recognise that your comments are decades out of date.

The reality is that those who have stable secure jobs are often the ones telling those on the outside looking in that you will have 3 to 7 careers in your lifetime. To change careers, which in fields I associate with, tend to last 3 to 5 years, requires people to move onto new careers that require a new direction in education.

I do not take alot of satisfaction in that I heard many of my coworkers express similar values as you, and its would appear right to do so when you think your hot shit.

But when they discover the reality, it is a real shock to their system. Jaw dropping, gob smacked, and wondering where have the jobs gone, why are there no seats available in the training and education systems.

The people facing the most stress are the managers. The people getting shafted are the general labourers working in the new precarious environments, where EI is already denied.

THe people who have been in one place for 25 years, are being address because many of them have never collected, and thought they were hot shit, and had no problems supporting cuts that other people had to suffer through. Now they are loud, many are in Finleys own riding, and they are PISSED, that EI is a pitance, and the Federal Government has been clawing back on anything positive. That is about to change for this small group.

The rest are still screwed.

However, in my area, the people affected are mainly non union, only 2 of the 12 closures this year have been union shops. Many of these people have never collected EI before, or not since their early 20s.

The people not covered are those actually caught in the beginning of the Federal Governments abandonment of Industry. People currently finishing out their claim, will not be eligible, or if they were in a place for 20 years, got laid off, worked in another facility for a year and then it closed, they are SOL.

Its easy for those people riding the cushion to point fingers and have opinions. I used to share those opinions, and like I said, too many, way way way too many people I know are looking for work.

Currently 900,000 unemployed, and 30,000 jobs on offer. Last month.

Good Hunting.

Edited September 22, 2009 by madmax