FAir Representation

[whowhere]

If paying higher Retail Costs than the US for everything from Food, Gasoline, and entertainment to being paid less for equal work to the US all the while paying a federal Sales tax which the US does not have and burdened with other repressive taxes is smallc idea of success I would like to know what his definition of failure is.

Proof is in the state of Canada. Canada is not a leading economy but a lagging economy. Canada is a clueless wonder being led by the clueless Conservatives whose only interest is to ensure their buddies get the senate appointments and top cushy bureacratic jobs to enrich them as much as they can.

The best thing Canada can do is fire the Conservatives before they wreck Canada anymore than they already have.

[bush_cheney2004]

If paying higher Retail Costs than the US for everything from Food, Gasoline, and entertainment to being paid less for equal work to the US all the while paying a federal Sales tax which the US does not have and burdened with other repressive taxes is smallc idea of success I would like to know what his definition of failure is.....

Why is the "US" your benchmark for any of these things? Why would someone finally be satisfied with parity on such things with the United States? What drives this economic neurosis?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Why is the "US" your benchmark for any of these things? Why would someone finally be satisfied with parity on such things with the United States? What drives this economic neurosis?

Its handy, and it provides a direct comparison unlike comparing the apples and oranges of European nations.

[bush_cheney2004]

Its handy, and it provides a direct comparison unlike comparing the apples and oranges of European nations.

OK....but what is the purpose of this when the US to Canada is also an apples and oranges comparison, with or without a Euro VAT ?

If prices were at parity (whatever that means), what would be the increased level of satisfaction....and why?

Edited August 3, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[Jerry J. Fortin]

OK....but what is the purpose of this when the US to Canada is also an apples and oranges comparison, with or without a Euro VAT ?

If prices were at parity (whatever that means), what would be the increased level of satisfaction....and why?

We are closer to the US on a cultural level for starters. Prices are getting close to parity now, the Cnd. dollar is over 93 cents, that price difference translates into better deals for Canadians.

[bush_cheney2004]

We are closer to the US on a cultural level for starters.

I seriously doubt that would matter if Canadians could pay Mexican prices for petrol. We certainly see no mad rush to pay the same for health care or prescription drugs. So that isn't it.

Prices are getting close to parity now, the Cnd. dollar is over 93 cents, that price difference translates into better deals for Canadians.

Understood, but the CAD can and will just as easily change again. A higher loonie actually hurts Canadian exports, and that is important to an economy so dependent on same.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I seriously doubt that would matter if Canadians could pay Mexican prices for petrol. We certainly see no mad rush to pay the same for health care or prescription drugs. So that isn't it.

Understood, but the CAD can and will just as easily change again. A higher loonie actually hurts Canadian exports, and that is important to an economy so dependent on same.

Canadian gas is filled with taxes, both provincial and federal, that is what makes it so expensive. Yes the Canadian dollar will go up and down with the free market. Yes a high dollar does have impact to our exports, it reduces profit margins, not sales. Simple truth is 80% of our exports go to the US at the present time. The feds seek to change that with a shift to the pacific rim. Good plan in my view, it will help to increase competition for our products. Not so good for the USA but it will improve our lot.

[bush_cheney2004]

.....Good plan in my view, it will help to increase competition for our products. Not so good for the USA but it will improve our lot.

The Americans will continue a weak dollar policy for the immediate future. CAD v. Euro count for more if that be the real curency goal. I don't know why Canadians would want to weaken exports just to get cheaper tomatoes from California, but what the hell...go for it.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The Americans will continue a weak dollar policy for the immediate future. CAD v. Euro count for more if that be the real curency goal. I don't know why Canadians would want to weaken exports just to get cheaper tomatoes from California, but what the hell...go for it.

We don't want weakened exports at all BC. The dollar price is determined on the open market, not here or in your place either. It is what it is. Our exports will be enhanced with the Pacific Rim plan and that is just good business.

[bush_cheney2004]

We don't want weakened exports at all BC. The dollar price is determined on the open market, not here or in your place either. It is what it is. Our exports will be enhanced with the Pacific Rim plan and that is just good business.

The "Pacific Rim Plan" won't do squat in the short or near term.

If the CAD reaches parity with the USD, Canada's exports will suffer.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The "Pacific Rim Plan" won't do squat in the short or near term.

If the CAD reaches parity with the USD, Canada's exports will suffer.

BC you are wrong. We are going ahead with a new oil terminal, despite the tree hugger opposition to large tankers on our coast. There is also a new potash terminal being build at Ridley Island for the Sask. Potash Corp. Ridley is going to get real busy very soon, as in with the next few years. CN's new intermodal terminal at Prince Rupert is going to start its 2nd phase this fall and the 3rd phase is scheduled for 2011. All of these things represent a vast expansion in shipping capability all aimed at the Pacific Rim.

The oil pipeline should be linked to Kitimat within the next year or so. That is for the single purpose of delivering Alberta oil sand production to China.

[bush_cheney2004]

BC you are wrong. We are going ahead with a new oil terminal, despite the tree hugger opposition to large tankers on our coast.....

Oh sure....please report back AFTER the first bpd reaches Shanghai. Until then, follow the bouncing CAD.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Oh sure....please report back AFTER the first bpd reaches Shanghai. Until then, follow the bouncing CAD.

We have a plan at least. Rest assured I will keep an eye on the dollar.

[whowhere]

OK....but what is the purpose of this when the US to Canada is also an apples and oranges comparison, with or without a Euro VAT ?

If prices were at parity (whatever that means), what would be the increased level of satisfaction....and why?

I am not sure what your ethnic heritage is or what your knowledge of US/Canada history is but it is what it is. One thing is for sure the US has and is keen on as it has in the past to exploit and take advantage of Canada wherever they can. Part of that was the aquisition of the Companies within Canada and controlling the employment. Canada is an easy target because Canada is being run by the conservative bafoons. Look no further than Stelco which became US steel to see what the conservatives accomplish.

The fact is, Canada hasn't got what it takes to compete with the US. There is no further point in trying to compete with the US but it's time to capitulate to the European Union. All the countries of the European Union recognized they couldn't manage a currency and there respective economies so they signed onto the Euro Union for Stability.

Canada is trying to compete with the US (300 million + pop), Euro Zone (450 million +), India (1 Billion +), China (1 Billion +), Japan (150 million +), Russia (200 million +), and Canada?

30 million, Can't do it.

Canada's only direction is to continue to dump immigrants onto Canada and to exploit Canada's people and export Canada's resources at a lower cost to the world than being sold to Canadians. More exploitation. That is not a recipe for success but a revalation of corrupt Governance.

Canada has never achieved independence through any process and is still under the ownership of the British monarch. To end Canada's squabbling once and for all it's time Canada be moved under the Umbrella of the Euro Zone. As was done with the 1982 Constitution so it can be done unilaterally without Canada's input be moved under the Euro Zone.

What has changed that Canada deserves a voice to its future? Canada had an opportunity to embrace democracy and good governance with the 1982 Constitution but chose the path of cultural dilution and exploitive repressive governance. This corruption stems from actions by both the Mulroney and harper conservatives alike.

[bush_cheney2004]

I am not sure what your ethnic heritage is or what your knowledge of US/Canada history is but it is what it is. One thing is for sure the US has and is keen on as it has in the past to exploit and take advantage of Canada wherever they can. Part of that was the aquisition of the Companies within Canada and controlling the employment. Canada is an easy target because Canada is being run by the conservative bafoons. Look no further than Stelco which became US steel to see what the conservatives accomplish.....

It was the stated policy of the Canadian government (regardless of ruling party) to invite and incentivize foreign investment for many, many years. You can't start complaining after all that foreign capital has been spent.

Canadian firms also invest in and buy US companies....(e.g. railroads).

Canada will never compete by just whining.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

It was the stated policy of the Canadian government (regardless of ruling party) to invite and incentivize foreign investment for many, many years. You can't start complaining after all that foreign capital has been spent.

Canadian firms also invest in and buy US companies....(e.g. railroads).

Canada will never compete by just whining.

I almost hate it when you are right BC.

[whowhere]

It was the stated policy of the Canadian government (regardless of ruling party) to invite and incentivize foreign investment for many, many years. You can't start complaining after all that foreign capital has been spent.

Canadian firms also invest in and buy US companies....(e.g. railroads).

Canada will never compete by just whining.

And the US is a winner? Really, what a joke. The US is a mockery to Capitalism and a cheat. What has been revealed about the US in this economic adjustment is they purposely flooded the world capital markets with there mortgage junk and defrauded world investors out of their money. China held one trillion in Government Treasuries which the US went to the printing press to repay. To continue the printing press assault to reduce they interest rate is essentially zero which more or less tells the world investors stick their investments up their ass. To stimulate the US economy billions was used to to prop up countless banks and the auto sector.

With all these trillions and billions being thrown around we have the conservative stooges drawing a blank and doing nothing but waiting for the US to start importing Canada's resources and ontario manufactured goods fueled by low wage immigrant labour. This is the harper conservative recovery plan to wait for the US to start importing.

For proof of that, money is being granted and loaned out by export development Canada. Welfare reallly, to companies looking for money and for whose benefit. The fact is Canada has resorted to communist style governance rather capital driven driven economics. The conservatives do not value people and they have no concept or understanding of World economics.

Canada is operating Ass backwards. In a rising economy goverment debt is pushed out to the people and the world in in a move to take money out of the monetary system and put aside for impending global economic collapse. This money could be used to buy a basket of foreign currencies and precious metals. When the economic collapse has occured all goverment debt pushed out is paid backed with printed money and the money from the debt is used to reignite the economic engine.

You can't help stupid. The conservatives are busy trying to sell government debt in a down economy. Who's got money to give to the government in a down economy? He haw, he haw.

Canada has missed the boat. It hasn't got what it takes to be a winner when it's run by losers.

[Smallc]

According to you it works, but it doesn't according to me. Why don't we simply ask a question of the folks on the board?

Smallc says that this nation works fine, and we need change nothing, do you agree or disagree with him?

I didn't say we need to change nothing, but there is very little that needs changing. Objectively looking at Canada, it's hard to say that things aren't working...unless you're a libertarian of course, then nothings working...and it never would be.

Edited August 3, 2009 by Smallc

[bush_cheney2004]

....With all these trillions and billions being thrown around we have the conservative stooges drawing a blank and doing nothing but waiting for the US to start importing Canada's resources and ontario manufactured goods fueled by low wage immigrant labour. This is the harper conservative recovery plan to wait for the US to start importing.

Well, if you want, we can make all that go away and Canada can go back to trying to make it on beaver pelts exported to Europe.

Good luck with that.

[whowhere]

Well, if you want, we can make all that go away and Canada can go back to trying to make it on beaver pelts exported to Europe.

Good luck with that.

If we are going to be economically tied with the US than Canada has to have equal prices at the Retail level when it comes to gas, beer, and whatever else. Being paid less for equal work to Americans and paying higher prices for goods and services is not a success. Further more the US has raped the world by spending and pumping trillions of printed dollars into the market. How much of that has Canada done?

Canada hasn't got what it takes to compete with the US. The US is not interested in Canada other than what it can take from Canada. If this is the state of Canada/Us relationship, Canada's only outlet is to capitulate to the Euro Zone.

Canada had its chance to model it economics in parallel with the US but decided to be the donkey country it is and stagnate and choke Canada into a banana republic status

Really, Can anyone think much of anything coming from someone with a handle bush-cheney. ahhh, bush, need I say more.

[OddSox]

Canada hasn't got what it takes to compete...

Bye! Don't let the door slam your *** on the way out...

[whowhere]

Bye! Don't let the door slam your *** on the way out...

Care to elaborate? What's wrong don't like the cold reality of the Canada conundrum? You are probably a clueless communist conservative.

[bush_cheney2004]

If we are going to be economically tied with the US than Canada has to have equal prices at the Retail level when it comes to gas, beer, and whatever else. Being paid less for equal work to Americans and paying higher prices for goods and services is not a success. Further more the US has raped the world by spending and pumping trillions of printed dollars into the market. How much of that has Canada done?

Don't forget cigarettes!

Canada has done very well in that regard....if you want American pay and American prices, just join Michael Ignatieff.

Canada hasn't got what it takes to compete with the US. The US is not interested in Canada other than what it can take from Canada. If this is the state of Canada/Us relationship, Canada's only outlet is to capitulate to the Euro Zone.

Why...so Europe can do the same thing? How well do you swim?

Canada had its chance to model it economics in parallel with the US but decided to be the donkey country it is and stagnate and choke Canada into a banana republic status

Better check your per-capita GDP compared to a real banana republic. Not too shabby!

Really, Can anyone think much of anything coming from someone with a handle bush-cheney. ahhh, bush, need I say more.

Well, and only because you asked for it.....you will always lose this penis measurement contest, so stop trying.

Edited August 4, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[whowhere]

Don't forget cigarettes!

Canada has done very well in that regard....if you want American pay and American prices, just join Michael Ignatieff.

Why...so Europe can do the same thing? How well do you swim?

Better check your per-capita GDP compared to a real banana republic. Not too shabby!

Well, and only because you asked for it.....you will always lose this penis measurement contest, so stop trying.

If you think I am knocking the US I am not. I am knocking Canada and stating the obvious fact Canada's politicians and bureacrats haven't got what it takes to make Canada a prosperous Country. I am saying Canada can't compete with the US multi-dimensional, abstract economics.

In case you haven't notice the US is distancing itself from Canada. They are not taking measures to align Canada with US initiatives. If Canada is just another Country to the US there is no point in Canada Hinging itself on what the US thinks or does any longer. Time to set the US adrift.

[bush_cheney2004]

If you think I am knocking the US I am not. I am knocking Canada and stating the obvious fact Canada's politicians and bureacrats haven't got what it takes to make Canada a prosperous Country. I am saying Canada can't compete with the US multi-dimensional, abstract economics.

Canada is prosperous...just not as productive....how much more do you want?

In case you haven't notice the US is distancing itself from Canada. They are not taking measures to align Canada with US initiatives. If Canada is just another Country to the US there is no point in Canada Hinging itself on what the US thinks or does any longer. Time to set the US adrift.

Go ahead.....you can use a big chain saw on the 49th parallel. If you really need a friend, get a dog.