lictor616 Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Posted August 2, 2009 Back to your question, what is this racism?Racism is being denied a job simply because of the colour of one's skin or the origin of one's name. so when affirmative action selects a black person for a job because of racial quotas.... that's racism... why is it our official policy then? and why areN,t liberals (who are supposed to be the real egalitarians) opposing it? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Posted August 2, 2009 Would you give your child your blessings if they decided to marry outside of their race? no, because I would very much like my grand children to look like my ancestors... I don,t think there's anything wrong with being white... in fact I quite like our traits and aptitudes... if the choice is between green eyes (such as I have) or blue eyes, porcelain skin, light brown or blond hair... or black kinky hair and 100% chance of black or brown eyes... I prefer the lighter hues... why would I want them to be different? now of course I wouldn't stop my children from marrying outside of their race, but I would express my reservations... now I bet you'll use my answer to tell me there's something wrong with me ... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
CANADIEN Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) lol and hitler was a vegetarian animal lover... so "logically" PETA is a nazi front... why even bother argus, their debating tactics essentially consist of name calling and PC brow beating... they use all the same tired and overused junk from the liberal arsenal... "racist", "intolerent", "ignorant", "discriminatory", "reactionary", "hater", "neo-nazi", "goosestepper", Hitler etc etc ad infinitam nauseam.... "stromfront" is just a tool, a scarecrow they use to badger people who are on to their nonsense. Racism is - according to you - nothing more than an evolutionary trait needed for self-defense and self-preservation. Until it is pointed that you exhibit it, then you become all defensive. Interesting Edited August 2, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Would you give your child your blessings if they decided to marry outside of their race? That would get my blessing for marrying the person that is right for them. Regardless of skin colour or ethnicity. Quote
Strangles Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 so when affirmative action selects a black person for a job because of racial quotas.... that's racism... why is it our official policy then? and why areN,t liberals (who are supposed to be the real egalitarians) opposing it? Very good question. Affirmative action does not mean that you hire black over white if all else is equal (or for education purposes admit black over white). Affirmative action places aside a quota to accommodate people who are the members of a group that has faced barriers in the past (Jim Crow laws for example, i'm certain you know what those are). These barriers range from institutionalized or simply social. The quota system ensures that certain members of society are given a chance to be educated even if attitudes persist. AA is common in Canada with natives in respect to post graduate education, Blacks in the USA, recently laws in Brazil have been enacted for Blacks and Pardo, China's non Han minorities in higher education, India, and this fall Columbia will be enacting legislation putting in place a quotas for its black population. Affirmative action ensures multi-ethnic societies (not just multi-coloured) are stable. Quote
Strangles Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) no, because I would very much like my grand children to look like my ancestors... I don,t think there's anything wrong with being white... in fact I quite like our traits and aptitudes... if the choice is between green eyes (such as I have) or blue eyes, porcelain skin, light brown or blond hair... or black kinky hair and 100% chance of black or brown eyes... I prefer the lighter hues... why would I want them to be different? now of course I wouldn't stop my children from marrying outside of their race, but I would express my reservations... now I bet you'll use my answer to tell me there's something wrong with me ... I am actually lightly surprised about....... now of course I wouldn't stop my children from marrying outside of their race, but I would express my reservations... I'm proud of you....lol... best and smartest thing I've seen you write so far on any topic. Edited August 2, 2009 by Strangles Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Very good question. Affirmative action does not mean that you hire black over white if all else is equal (or for education purposes admit black over white). Affirmative action places aside a quota to accommodate people who are the members of a group that has faced barriers in the past (Jim Crow laws for example, i'm certain you know what those are). These barriers range from institutionalized or simply social. The quota system ensures that certain members of society are given a chance to be educated even if attitudes persist. AA is common in Canada with natives in respect to post graduate education, Blacks in the USA, recently laws in Brazil have been enacted for Blacks and Pardo, China's non Han minorities in higher education, India, and this fall Columbia will be enacting legislation putting in place a quotas for its black population. Affirmative action ensures multi-ethnic societies (not just multi-coloured) are stable. The only difference between affirmative action and "good 'ole" discrimination is that it is not founded on the belief that some people are kust not good enough based on the colour of their skin and their ancestry. This absence of a wrong basis does not make less discriminatory, or necessaory for a multicultural society. Quote
Argus Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) Where did I say that you aren't supposed to have a conversation with a racist? That's exactly what they need in fact...although it hasn't seemed to help more than one person on this board. Then perhaps you'd like to explain what seemed to be a fairly dismissive "a conversation with a racist" one line reply. Did you view the video? It's actually rather interesting, though nothing new there. Edited August 2, 2009 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Sir Bandelot Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 The best thing we can do to resolve racial tensions is to have more dialog. The world needs more beer summits... I suggest everybody get a six-pack and head straight for the Jane-Finch corridor, start knocking on doors. Quote
Argus Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Stormfront is what I would say to the Mr in the race movie if he ever happened to ask me about the topic. Did you view the documentary? Or are you assuming it's racist without viewing it because someone said that Stormfront liked it? Go to Stormfront.com, look at some of their sections, see how they discuss people of other colours, especially blacks and Jews. That doesn't answer my question. Is it merely a web site? Back to your question, what is this racism? I don't recall ever asking that question. I KNOW what racism is. Racism is being denied a job simply because of the colour of one's skin or the origin of one's name. Racism is being systematically targeted for abuse for the reasons mentioned above. Racism is being jumped and beaten specifically because of colour or heritage. Ask the natives who were dumped by Calgary police in the middle of winter in the country-side. That's racism in its purest form. You know, one of the interesting elements of that documentary is that everyone was sure that racism was everywhere, that they had encountered it every day, yet when asked to describe an encounter most were at a loss to describe anything explicit. How often do people get "systematically targeted for abuse" in this country because of their race? Does anyone know of a single case that isn't many years old? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Strangles Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) I'm going to add a little spiel to my past post (#30). There is simply no such thing as an ethnically pure nation unless that nation is situated on a small island (i.e Sao Tome, New Zealand before Europeans arrived, etc). Most nation states are generally formed by 1 major ethnic group, however expansions, wars, immigration, weather patterns and so on move people around. Even all mighty "white-russia" is actually less white than America. Russia has 20% oriental/asiatic peoples (Tartars, mongols, etc). When it comes to race and ethnic origin things aren't always simple. The world' largest population of whites in one nation state are in the USA, yet the USA is not a "white country" by any definition, its 220m (+) whites part of large intermixed and multi-ethnic society. The world's 2nd largest population of blacks is in Brazil, and Brazil is not a black country! Simply put, racial separation is impossible, unless we want to have some 3000 nations on this Earth. And even then, how do we classify the intermixed Puerto Ricans, multi-ethnic Chinese, or people from Madascar (a mixture of black and Austronesian)? The list is endless. The goal impractical. Quite impossible. What we can do though, is learn to live together in harmony. Edited August 2, 2009 by Strangles Quote
Argus Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) The only difference between affirmative action and "good 'ole" discrimination is that it is not founded on the belief that some people are kust not good enough based on the colour of their skin and their ancestry. Oh of course it is. It's merely taken from a different perspective. The perspective this time is that of a patronizing, smugly superior bleeding heart liberal mentality. And the assumption is that affirmative action is necessary because otherwise women and minorities won't get the kinds of jobs that "we" want them to get. And it doesn't matter if they've done their level best to eliminate every element of racism or preferential treatment from the hiring process - as they have done. If, even though they can't find anything which shows racism, Blacks, for example, aren't being hired in the proper proportion, then they will give them a little nudge, a little push, like you would a fat kid who can't make it over the wall. I've seen people at work making excuses for flat out dumb, lazy ass Black employees that they'd never make for whites. Edited August 2, 2009 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Strangles Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) Did you view the documentary? Or are you assuming it's racist without viewing it because someone said that Stormfront liked it? I watched it, its not overtly racist but highly contradictory. How can stormfront promote a video about racism's lack of existence? The irony! That doesn't answer my question. Is it merely a web site? No it is not. Not in the traditional sense. They have meetings, they trade lists of community workers names (which borders on the criminal) and oftentimes threads are deleted because some jackass members makes a stupid "im gonna kill so and so" threads. How often do people get "systematically targeted for abuse" in this country because of their race? Does anyone know of a single case that isn't many years old? Courtenay BC, last month. Edited August 2, 2009 by Strangles Quote
Argus Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 I watched it, its not overtly racist but highly contradictory. How can stormfront promote a video about racism's lack of existence? The irony! I wouldn't go so far as to say they are "promoting it". I googled this and found a the documentary referred to by a number of organizations and web sites, Stormfront being among them. Courtenay BC, last month. The question was "targeted for systematic abuse". I don't think three drunks target anything for "systematic abuse", unless maybe it's attacking mailboxes with bats as they drive past, or shooting up highway signs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 It's obvious many didn't actually watch this video as they are actually parroting some of the folks asked various questions about racism. It's also pretty clear that Craig Bodeker isn't a racist (he's a film maker)...but he asks questions of people just like some here on this board re: racism and records their answers. The goal is that even they have racist undertones and they are exposed via their own words. Sasha Cohen did almost the exact same thing with Borat. Here's the actual website. I note no links to "Stormfront" or any other racist website designed apparently to be used by the "left" to shut down debate just as much as Nazis use it to post drivel. Yes...he mentions that, too. http://www.aconversationaboutrace.com/ Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
lictor616 Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Posted August 2, 2009 Racism is - according to you - nothing more than an evolutionary trait needed for self-defense and self-preservation. Until it is pointed that you exhibit it, then you become all defensive. Interesting racism doesn't have the same definition for us. Its been said over and over (and the documentary I linked speaks about this very subject) that THERE IS NO DEFINITE DEFINITION OF RACISM... its become a completely subjective word... To you it is some sort of "sin" or a moral failing of some sort... (that only whites are capable of) To me "racism" ie the recognition that races are real and are not equal... is simply a fact of evolution... The subconscious and conscious practice of "racial cognition" is indeed a natural trait... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Strangles Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) Oh of course it is. It's merely taken from a different perspective. The perspective this time is that of a patronizing, smugly superior bleeding heart liberal mentality. And the assumption is that affirmative action is necessary because otherwise women and minorities won't get the kinds of jobs that "we" want them to get. And it doesn't matter if they've done their level best to eliminate every element of racism or preferential treatment from the hiring process - as they have done. If, even though they can't find anything which shows racism, Blacks, for example, aren't being hired in the proper proportion, then they will give them a little nudge, a little push, like you would a fat kid who can't make it over the wall.I've seen people at work making excuses for flat out dumb, lazy ass Black employees that they'd never make for whites. You mean the lazy blacks in Tulsa? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot The very idea that a white person or any person for that matter is better than another because of the colour of their skin, and that you somehow inherently deserve a position over them because of your race's falsely perceived superiority is what we try to stomp out constantly. "They gave the job to the black/brown guy, must be filling quotas" is simply a built in racist and discriminatory notion. It automatically means you consider yourself superior on the basis of your skin, all else equal, and you lost simply because the colour of your skin and nothing else. It means you believe you are simply a naturally superior human and your failure to secure the position or academic spot is based solely on the so called racism you so claim you do not exert. Notions like that = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot The riot that ensured the destruction of as much African property as possible, rich blacks surrounded by poor/middle class and highly segregationist whites meant that the blacks had no chance. If they did, as they happen to in Tulsa, simply violence based on any excuse solved the problem. Natives have seen this too. Sometimes I wish they were as resilient as the blacks, it would make for an even more interesting history class as an elective . Edited August 2, 2009 by Strangles Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Craig Bodeker isn't a racist (he's a film maker) Exactly. So was Leni Riefenstahl Quote
lictor616 Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Posted August 2, 2009 The only difference between affirmative action and "good 'ole" discrimination is that it is not founded on the belief that some people are kust not good enough based on the colour of their skin and their ancestry.This absence of a wrong basis does not make less discriminatory, or necessaory for a multicultural society. of course not you dunce, its based on the assumption that some races are more deserving! which is precisely the same difference. btw race is not merely "a color of skin"... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Posted August 2, 2009 Exactly. So was Leni Riefenstahl omg just when you thought you heard all the possible godwinnian nonsense and knavery, somebody takes it down a notch further... amazing... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Strangles Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Exactly. So was Leni Riefenstahl rember this? wikipedia.org/wiki?search=Birth+of+a+nation Quote
lictor616 Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Posted August 2, 2009 Oh of course it is. It's merely taken from a different perspective. The perspective this time is that of a patronizing, smugly superior bleeding heart liberal mentality. And the assumption is that affirmative action is necessary because otherwise women and minorities won't get the kinds of jobs that "we" want them to get. And it doesn't matter if they've done their level best to eliminate every element of racism or preferential treatment from the hiring process - as they have done. If, even though they can't find anything which shows racism, Blacks, for example, aren't being hired in the proper proportion, then they will give them a little nudge, a little push, like you would a fat kid who can't make it over the wall.I've seen people at work making excuses for flat out dumb, lazy ass Black employees that they'd never make for whites. we've come to a point now were we actually select race or minority status ABOVE CAPACITY AND ACHIEVEMENT. Firefighters consistently lower their standards for minorities and especially women... Police are even worse... the U of T for years had a slogan of "selecting diversity at the cost of expertise"... and what's worse is that the liberals refuse to account for the huge damage this is doing to the smooth functioning of our society... and if you criticize them openly they hit you with the racist card... diabolical... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Posted August 2, 2009 rember this?wikipedia.org/wiki?search=Birth+of+a+nation you guys are complete lunatics... why don't you watch the freaking documentary before making ridiculous paranoid comparisons... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Argus Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 You mean the lazy blacks in Tulsa? You're talking about something which happened before most people's grandparents were born. I'm asking if this is present, where is it NOW, not a hundred years ago. The very idea that a white person or any person for that matter is better than another because of the colour of their skin, and that you somehow inherently deserve a position over them because of your race's falsely perceived superiority is what we try to stomp out constantly. Who is this "we"? And just where do we find this mentality today? Because you know, I'm just not encountering it anywhere. "They gave the job to the black/brown guy, must be filling quotas" is simply a built in racist and discriminatory notion. Or, maybe it's the result of people who are seeing the black/brown guy shoved to the head of the line repeatedly, ahead of those who appear more qualified. It automatically means you consider yourself superior on the basis of your skin, all else equal,and you lost simply because the colour of your skin and nothing else. If it is known that affirmative action is an element in the selection process than the complaint might well be valid. Have you considered that? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
lictor616 Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Posted August 2, 2009 The very idea that a white person or any person for that matter is better than another because of the colour of their skin, and that you somehow inherently deserve a position over them because of your race's falsely perceived superiority is what we try to stomp out constantly. are you this out of touch with reality? Doe you not realize that affirmative action precisely DOES give prefferential treatment to minorities EXATCLY BECAUSE they "inherently deserve a position over them because of"..."race"? Do you even know what affirmative action is? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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