benny Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Honor killing is more about having several children than having several cultures. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Could it be out of a sense of honor that inmates attack Shafia and Hamed!?http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Kingston+...1738/story.html They were lucky that was all that happened. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
CANADIEN Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 I wasn't quoting you out of context. I was pointing out your basic hypocrisy. What exactly is wrong with the KKK? Someone needs to tell you? ]They hate Jews and think Blacks are inferiors? Okay. The Muslims hate Jews and think women are inferiors. Why is this different? I know and you know the hatred is evil, no matter whom it comes from. You know and I know one cannot logically claim that THE Muslims, each and everyone of them is hateful. You know and I know one cannot logically deny that hating goes hand in hand with belonging to the KKK. That's the difference. Period. Quote
CANADIEN Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Would it be unfair to point out that even if your ludicrous comparisons were sound that the post in which you made them came well after the post to which you are responding - or would that hurt your brain? It would be entirely fair. After all, I started long ago to point out that there were (and I'll add, still here0 differences betttwen some European socieities that are euqal, perhaps even bigger, than diifeerence between some of those societies and some Muslim societies. And it, is, or course, entierely ludicrous to point out that societies where the concept of "honour" justifies vilence against women share one characteristic with other societies where the concept of "honour" justifies violence against women. Quote
CANADIEN Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Perhaps I simply know more about the past than you do - and am smarter. Besides, I see no reason to take the chance. There are plenty of immigrants available from elsewhere. No need to bring in people from a group where we KNOW substantial numbers will be extremely hostile towards our culture and society. You read individual minds? Why take the chance of closing the door to individuals who are willing to engage in dialog with our society? Or perhaps we should do as the Dutch are now doing. Having ignored the problem for so long, and now find themselves with a huge mass of hostile Muslims in their cities they are, in their own little Leftist way, doing their best to end Muslim immigration - the gentle way. Of course, they can't simply say no to Muslims. Instead any prospective Muslim immigrant has to take an entrance exam on their social attitudes (cost $425). This includes watching a DVD of life in the Netherlands which features topless women, women in bikinis and miniskirts, and men kissing. They're also told that the Netherlands is a cold, flood-prone country where everything is very expensive. great idea. Let's show it to Evangelical Christian immigrants as well. You would not want to risk welcoming immigrants who does not share our culture and value, including tolerance. In fact, if you were an immigrant, I would suggest a special showing of the bit about men kissing. I have no doubt they would have, but they clearly didn't, and so they integrated much more quickly and easily. Must I conclude that Muslim immigrants in the 1850's would have integrated faster as well? With some differences. They weren't AS foreign as this bunch. Not to the people at time, and Irish terrorism (remember the Fenians?), Easter European support of Marxism, and Sicilian notions of honour were quite foreign to values of older stock Canadians. Quote
CANADIEN Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Not quite true. In fact, Europe, ruled by the Left for decades, has been in the forefront of advancing multicuturalism and the respect for newcomers. New immigrants were encouraged to retain whatever cultural baggage they desired, and given promises their cultures would be respected. They weren't even obligated to learn the local language, and often didn't. They were allowed to become citizens, but didn't join the body politic, as you say, because they wanted no part of it. Until 2000, the usual rule was that people could not become a German citizen if not born of a German citizen. In the Netherlands, the first groups of Muslim immigrants, up to 1970's, were usually classified as temporary workers, meaning they were expected to leave when they were no longer needed. Just two examples... not unique. It didn't used to be. It has been growing in tandem with the growing population of immigrants. Immigration is not the reason for the growth of far-right extremist groups... it's the excuse. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 He should know, considering how he masquerades his opinions as facts. OK...then just explain this quote with an example of his masquerading his opinion as a fact. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
CANADIEN Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 OK...then just explain this quote with an example of his masquerading his opinion as a fact. The problem, after all, is not that the sons of Allah are 'long shots' but that they're certainties. Every Continental under the age of 40 – make that 60, if not 75 – is all but guaranteed to end his days living in an Islamified Europe Opinion, which he passes as fact (now, masquerating may be, I admit, a bit of a strong word). I am not finding fault with him for doing it. All of us do one time or another. I find it ironic, though, that he laments something that he does as being a problem. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Opinion, which he passes as fact (now, masquerating may be, I admit, a bit of a strong word).I am not finding fault with him for doing it. All of us do one time or another. I find it ironic, though, that he laments something that he does as being a problem. That doesn't tell anyone SFA. What context is he talking in...where's the link to the full article so the peanut gallery can read it? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
CANADIEN Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 That doesn't tell anyone SFA. What context is he talking in...where's the link to the full article so the peanut gallery can read it? The wuote is from his entry in Wikipedia. The full article appeared on his Web site in 2005. Not good enough for you? Coming from you, I don't care. Mark Steyn is not the topic of this thread. Quote
benny Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 They were lucky that was all that happened. Like if it was not just the beginning! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Like if it was not just the beginning! Yup...sucks don't it. Stay in school, kids. Don't join gangs. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) The wuote is from his entry in Wikipedia. The full article appeared on his Web site in 2005.Not good enough for you? Coming from you, I don't care. Mark Steyn is not the topic of this thread. I think he'd find you a giggle. Apologist for murderers. The aim of a large swathe of the left is not to win the debate but to get it cancelled before it starts. You can do that in any number of ways -- busting up campus appearances by conservatives, "hate crimes" laws, Canada's ghastly human-rights commissions, the more "enlightened" court judgments, the EU's recent decision to criminalize "xenophobia," or merely, as The New York Times does, by declaring your side of every issue to be the "moderate" and "nonideological" position. - Mark Steyn Edited July 31, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 As I have said often on other threads, I do not get non-sense. Because you already have too large a stockpile of your own? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
benny Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Yup...sucks don't it. Stay in school, kids. Don't join gangs. Too much children makes joining an army a more affordable option than school. Quote
CANADIEN Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Because you already have too large a stockpile of your own? Yes, I admit it. I shamelessly steal it from you. Quote
CANADIEN Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) I think he'd find you a giggle. Apologist for murderers. Want to swap Steyn's quotes? A coward would not agree to hijack a plane, (...) We should acknowledge that at the very least it requires a kind of mad bravery, a bravery 99% of us in the West can never understand and, because of that, should accord a certain respectMark Steyn, National Post, September 12, 2001. Edited July 31, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Want to swap Steyn's quotes? This is what I wrote seven years ago, on Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001, for the following morning's National Post in Canada and that week's Spectator in Britain. This version is from my book "The Face Of The Tiger," with second thoughts at the foot of the page: ---Mark Steyn Full article which includes CANADIEN's attempt to look clever out of context yet again.... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
benny Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Sept. 11, 2001 Who makes several children to allow some of them to desert to the enemy anyway!? Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 This is what I wrote seven years ago, on Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001, for the following morning's National Post in Canada and that week's Spectator in Britain. This version is from my book "The Face Of The Tiger," with second thoughts at the foot of the page:---Mark Steyn Full article which includes CANADIEN's attempt to look clever out of context yet again.... Am I the only one who has noticed that you usually do not say where your Steyn's quotes came from? By the way, this is not about trying to be clever. It's about the fact that, on September 12, Mark Steyn thought, and wrote, that there was nothing cowardly about highjacking aurplanes and committing terrorist acts. He couldn't have been more wrong. Of course, he is a well known hatemonger, so that will absolve him in your mind. September 12 2001 was the first time I've read anything by Mark Steyn. After that one, it was the last. Some with you... ignored. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) Am I the only one who has noticed that you usually do not say where your Steyn's quotes came from?By the way, this is not about trying to be clever. It's about the fact that, on September 12, Mark Steyn thought, and wrote, that there was nothing cowardly about highjacking aurplanes and committing terrorist acts. He couldn't have been more wrong. Of course, he is a well known hatemonger, so that will absolve him in your mind. September 12 2001 was the first time I've read anything by Mark Steyn. After that one, it was the last. Some with you... ignored. The Orange Country Register is one of many online new sources that has Mark Steyn as a Syndicated columnist. Do you have anything in particular against Greater LA media sources? The reason I chose this in response to your out-of-context quote/opinion re: Mark Steyn is that he added a tag 7 years later which you no doubt missed... From the article I posted... The above column is virtually as it appeared in print, including a few things I was wrong about. The death toll: more than Pearl Harbor and the War of 1812 but less than the Revolutionary and Civil Wars. I was wrong, too, about the "courage" of the suicide bombers: I was not yet sufficiently immersed in the psychosis of Islamism and its perverted death-cultism, in which before committing mass murder one carefully prepares one's genitals because paradise is a brothel. Many readers objected to the passage about the Americans with Disabilities Act, and I apologize for giving offense – I'd probably just skip the point if I were writing it today. But the images and stories of the disabled were among the most heart-wrenching of the day, including that of the able-bodied man who stayed – and perished – with his wheelchair-bound friend because he could not bear to leave him and let him die alone. I don't understand why we sue small mom 'n' pop businesses because their general store in a remote rural town has no wheelchair ramp, but we cheerfully encourage the disabled to work on the 80th floor of skyscrapers whose first move in an emergency is to shut down the elevators. Everything else – the ugliness of the Arab street, the uselessness of NATO, the self-loathing of the West, the incompetence of Logan Airport – is just as true today as it was then. Mark Steyn Sept 12th, 2008 Edited August 1, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bonam Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 By the way, this is not about trying to be clever. It's about the fact that, on September 12, Mark Steyn thought, and wrote, that there was nothing cowardly about highjacking aurplanes and committing terrorist acts. He couldn't have been more wrong. How is it cowardly? Going willingly to your death for the cause you [misguidedly] believe in is not "cowardly". The September 11th attack were many things: evil, despicable, monstrous, wrong in every way. But cowardly? I wouldn't say so. Quote
benny Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 How is it cowardly? Going willingly to your death for the cause you [misguidedly] believe in is not "cowardly". The September 11th attack were many things: evil, despicable, monstrous, wrong in every way. But cowardly? I wouldn't say so. Abusing the word "coward" cowardly. Quote
Argus Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 How is it cowardly? Going willingly to your death for the cause you [misguidedly] believe in is not "cowardly". The September 11th attack were many things: evil, despicable, monstrous, wrong in every way. But cowardly? I wouldn't say so. It's cowardly to attack defenseless, innocent people without warning. I don't think you need to get any more complicated than that. Now some say these men did it by "bravely" sacrificing their lives for a cause, but there have been strong suggestions that most had no idea they were to crash into a building in a suicide mission, while the others were such zealots that they were in complete faith that the instant they died they would be greeted by Allah as his brothers and given a couple of dozen virgins to abuse - er, to romance. If that indeed is your expectation then "sacrificing" your life is no sacrifice so it can hardly be termed brave. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) It's cowardly to attack defenseless, innocent people without warning. I don't think you need to get any more complicated than that.Now some say these men did it by "bravely" sacrificing their lives for a cause, but there have been strong suggestions that most had no idea they were to crash into a building in a suicide mission, while the others were such zealots that they were in complete faith that the instant they died they would be greeted by Allah as his brothers and given a couple of dozen virgins to abuse - er, to romance. If that indeed is your expectation then "sacrificing" your life is no sacrifice so it can hardly be termed brave. In that respect, yes. A Japanese pilot determined to plunge his aircraft into the American aircraft carrier through a wall of AAA is brave. A terrorist willing to kill women and children on an aircraft is both cowardly and afraid to stand toe to toe with said nation's military. Much easier to take the razor knife to the stewardesses. And you gotta give the Japanese some credit here. They had almost zero fear when confronting the enemy, even if the enemy was larger and better armed. Not too many Japanese POWs during WW2. Edited August 1, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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