Israel soldiers on Gaza: Excerpts

dub · July 20, 2009

I think Israel can hold out at least as long as Canada or the USA.

you're really reaching but it's not working bc2004.

we've created different standards for ourselves since the world wars. ironically, many of the standards were set after the treatment of the jews.

your point is as ridiculous as, for example, a pedophile coming in here and excusing what he does because the greeks used to do it.

bush_cheney2004 · July 20, 2009

you're really reaching but it's not working bc2004.

To the contrary, it has worked quite well and is still working. I'm not here to convince you of the bloody obvious.

we've created different standards for ourselves since the world wars. ironically, many of the standards were set after the treatment of the jews.

Nonsense...your own nation is busy in a far off land killing the locals for "peace". Israel laughs at your double standard.

your point is as ridiculous as, for example, a pedophile coming in here and excusing what he does because the greeks used to do it.

Yet there will always be pedophiles....Israel is only following our fine examples.

wulf42 · July 20, 2009

i like you because you make things so simple and you speak what is really on your mind.
you don't pretend that israel does not commit war crimes like some of the apologists here.

to answer your question; not much was done to south africa for a long time but that changed. israel will not be able to keep this up for too much longer.

So what do you call some retard strapping on a bomb and go blow up kids at a bus stop????? i would say that would be a war crime to say the least!!

Israel is the most well armed nation in that part of the world nobody even really knows for sure just what or how much they have...............they can out last and out blast any country that surrounds them!!!

dub · July 20, 2009

Nonsense...your own nation is busy in a far off land killing the locals for "peace". Israel laughs at your double standard.

remind me how canada is doing what israel is doing.

Yet there will always be pedophiles....Israel is only following our fine examples.

just because there will always be pedophiles, rapists, human rights violaters and war criminals, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't speak against them.

there used to also be slavery and women were not able to vote. i'm sure you're old enough to remember at least one of these. in response to the movements to abolish slavery and women's right to vote, did you also shrug and say: "there are others who did it and are doing it, so why the complaining and the need to change?"

dub · July 20, 2009

So what do you call some retard strapping on a bomb and go blow up kids at a bus stop????? i would say that would be a war crime to say the least!!

it's illegal, bad and a crime. yes.

Israel is the most well armed nation in that part of the world nobody even really knows for sure just what or how much they have...............they can out last and out blast any country that surrounds them!!!

i'm sure they can. it doesn't mean that stealing palestinian land and leaving the palestinians to live in these conditions is okay though.

bush_cheney2004 · July 20, 2009

...there used to also be slavery and women were not able to vote. i'm sure you're old enough to remember at least one of these. in response to the movements to abolish slavery and women's right to vote, did you also shrug and say: "there are others who did it and are doing it, so why the complaining and the need to change?"

Nope....we pursued a policy of non-violent protest and civil disobedience....not suicide bombings and beheadings.

See the difference? Maybe you don't....that would explain a lot.

DogOnPorch · July 20, 2009

Nope....we pursued a policy of non-violent protest and civil disobedience....not suicide bombings and beheadings.
See the difference? Maybe you don't....that would explain a lot.

Edmund Pettus Bridge...

Bonam · July 20, 2009

remind me how canada is doing what israel is doing.

Canada, along with other western nations, decided to invade and occupy another country (Afghanistan) after suffering just ONE terrorist attack originating from there (it wasn't even against us, but against an ally). We've killed 8,436 - 28,028 (they can't even all be counted properly) civilians, certainly many more than Israel has killed in the same timespan (2001-now). Our goal is to install and support a regime that will be friendly to the West, i.e. a puppet regime.

Israel on the other hand suffers thousands of terrorist attacks, and its responses are nevertheless more measured, causing fewer civilian deaths.

Edited July 20, 2009 by Bonam

bush_cheney2004 · July 20, 2009

Israel on the other hand suffers thousands of terrorist attacks, and its responses are nevertheless more measured, causing fewer civilian deaths.

....and far closer to home. No need to fly half-way around the world.

dub · July 20, 2009

Nope....we pursued a policy of non-violent protest and civil disobedience....not suicide bombings and beheadings.
See the difference? Maybe you don't....that would explain a lot.

the first suicide attack in israel was in the 1990's and i'm not aware of any beheadings. the occupation and the systematic annexation of palestinian land has been happening for close to 5 decades by israel.

the protests have been made and in 1967, a new, defined border was set. why are you still making excuses?

bush_cheney2004 · July 20, 2009

the first suicide attack in israel was in the 1990's and i'm not aware of any beheadings. the occupation and the systematic annexation of palestinian land has been happening for close to 5 decades by israel.

So we should accept such behaviours just because it has only been two decades? Your rationalizations for duration and context are most interesting.

the protests have been made and in 1967, a new, defined border was set. why are you still making excuses?

Because Palestinians still launch rockets?

Why are you an apologist for terrorists?

dub · July 20, 2009

Canada, along with other western nations, decided to invade and occupy another country (Afghanistan) after suffering just ONE terrorist attack originating from there (it wasn't even against us, but against an ally). We've killed 8,436 - 28,028 (they can't even all be counted properly) civilians, certainly many more than Israel has killed in the same timespan (2001-now). Our goal is to install and support a regime that will be friendly to the West, i.e. a puppet regime.
Israel on the other hand suffers thousands of terrorist attacks, and its responses are nevertheless more measured, causing fewer civilian deaths.

the failed afghanistan campaign is certainly nothing i support. it's a suicide mission and canada is figuring this out and that's why they're pulling out.

that said, the comparison makes no sense.

canada and the US have not gone into afghanistan to annex their land and call it canada or US. israel has been annexing land that doesn't belong to them, as according to international law. just last week, there was a suicide attack in afghanistan that killed afghani children walking to school. do you see palestinians blowing each other up?

canada or the US did not have a presence in afghanistan and only attacked after 9/11. israel has been increasing the illegal settlements for decades and occupying the region for decades.

there are so many other issues that makes the 2 situations so much different from each other and makes no sense to try to compare the two.

bush_cheney2004 · July 20, 2009

....there are so many other issues that makes the 2 situations so much different from each other and makes no sense to try to compare the two.

Just more tap dancing, eh?

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dub · July 20, 2009

So we should accept such behaviours just because it has only been two decades? Your rationalizations for duration and context are most interesting.

no one should accept illegal actions. whether it's suicide attacks, targeting civilians, stealing land, blockading borders that create civilian sufferings.

so no, i don't accept it. i made the point to let you know that suicide attacks cannot be the reason for israel's illegal behaviour since they weren't happening when israel started stealing palestinian land.

Because Palestinians still launch rockets?

the rockets weren't being launched back then. or are you saying that israel knew that in 40 years, palestinian militants would start shooting homemade rockets and that's why they started spreading the illegal settlements?

Why are you an apologist for terrorists?

certainly not. i have always condemned any illegal action.

why can't you?

wulf42 · July 20, 2009

i'm sure they can. it doesn't mean that stealing palestinian land and leaving the palestinians to live in these conditions is okay though.

Israel has offered the Palestinians peace deal after peace deal and they(Palestinians) always answer with suicide bombers and/or

rockets.............no country will sit idle while their country is under attack, the Israeli's are protecting themselves if the Pals really wanted peace they could have had it years ago! but if your just a little guy and you keep picking at the giant sooner or later the giant is going to squash you! Hamas and the like hide in populated areas and fire rockets in the hopes Israel will strike back and kill civilians(which is a war crime in itself to use human shields) and

then say how bad the Israeli's are!! Hamas is fooling nobody!

bush_cheney2004 · July 20, 2009

so no, i don't accept it. i made the point to let you know that suicide attacks cannot be the reason for israel's illegal behaviour since they weren't happening when israel started stealing palestinian land.

Really? And just how would you go about setting up a perimeter for prevention and detection of such threats? By your pretzel logic, a nuclear attack would also not be justification. Good luck with that....

the rockets weren't being launched back then. or are you saying that israel knew that in 40 years, palestinian militants would start shooting homemade rockets and that's why they started spreading the illegal settlements?

See above....if you must have more dated events....how about Munich in 1972?

certainly not. i have always condemned any illegal action.

No...you are an apologist.

why can't you?

Because I am not an apologist....I am a rabid supporter of Israel.

DogOnPorch · July 20, 2009

the rockets weren't being launched back then. or are you saying that israel knew that in 40 years, palestinian militants would start shooting homemade rockets and that's why they started spreading the illegal settlements?

Settlements were generally created along the Jordanian border since Jordan didn't give-up its claim to Gaza until 1988. That is to say: it wasn't ruled-out that Jordan wouldn't attack. There's obviously still some doubt: that is to say...what happens if the King and Queen of Jordan are 'replaced'? Other settlements tend to follow the main roads or are clustered around Jerusalem.

That being said: Who cares? These settlers can become Palestinians if the morons in charge over their ever form a state.

Edited July 20, 2009 by DogOnPorch

dub · July 20, 2009

I am a rabid supporter of Israel.

this is what it comes down to.

you rabid supporters will accept all consequences as long as the team that you're cheering for, wins. i guess then, you empathize with the rabid supporters of the nazis or the rabid supporters of taliban.

bush_cheney2004 · July 20, 2009

this is what it comes down to.
you rabid supporters will accept all consequences as long as the team that you're cheering for, wins. i guess then, you empathize with the rabid supporters of the nazis or the rabid supporters of taliban.

...but not apologists for terrorism like you. I don't like terrorist apologists. But you do....that's your choice.

DogOnPorch · July 20, 2009

this is what it comes down to.
you rabid supporters will accept all consequences as long as the team that you're cheering for, wins. i guess then, you empathize with the rabid supporters of the nazis or the rabid supporters of taliban.

Ah yes...Der Juden ist die Nazi geworden.

dub · July 20, 2009

...but not apologists for terrorism like you. I don't like terrorist apologists. But you do....that's your choice.

you're lying.

i have not apologized for any terrorism.

whether or not the terrorism is a result of something the other side has done, i have never apologized for any terrorism. i mean, i am repeating myself again; 'i condemn any action that breaks international law. this includes suicide or rocket attacks'.

DogOnPorch · July 20, 2009

Well, instead of ranting and raving on this board, perhaps you should be on the scene.

bush_cheney2004 · July 20, 2009

you're lying.
i have not apologized for any terrorism.

You have self reported as an apologist for terrorism.....rocket attacks and suicide bombings are OK by you because they "only" date to the 1990's. LOL!

whether or not the terrorism is a result of something the other side has done, i have never apologized for any terrorism. i mean, i am repeating myself again; 'i condemn any action that breaks international law. this includes suicide or rocket attacks'.

No you don't...you haven't condemned the Palestinian actions at all. You are an apologist. Must sterilize!