Progressive Conservatives

[punked]

"the multiplication of the feeble minded is a very dangerous thing to the Human race"-Chruchhill as a delegate of the First conference on eugenics 1912

"Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind.... Some day we will realize that the prime duty, the inescapable duty of the good citizen of the right type is to leave his blood behind him in the world, and that we have no business to perpetuate citizens of the wrong type."-Teddy Roosevelt

Tommy sits with some pretty large leaders of the time who at one time embraced the theory of eugenics but soon came to see they were wrong. You have a problem with Churchill and Roosevelt?

[punked]

Didn't support it, or couldn't pass it.

He had a majority government, he lead it, and the suggestion came from his caucus. So yes didn't support it, there is no question that he could pass it. I mean they passed a bill in both BC, and Alberta at the time and much of the public supported it. Don't pretend like it was some dirty thing at the time. 22 states, and the BC Liberals and Alberta Uniter Farmers (who went on to become the Social credits) had no problems with it I don't see why Tommy who had all but 5 seats legislate at the time would have a problem passing it. He vetoed it when the suggestion came twice.

Edited July 19, 2009 by punked

[Alta4ever]

Which theories would those be? The Canadian Pension plan the CCF pushed through? The Bill of rights? Health Care?

The replacement of the Free economy by one of a central planning by the government the loss of personal freedoms... and on and on and on. One only has to read the Regina Manifesto to understand this, but for communisits like yourself that are jealous of others hard work the Marxist Kool aid tastes pretty good.

[punked]

The replacement of the Free economy by one of a central planning by the government the loss of personal freedoms... and on and on and on. One only has to read the Regina Manifesto to understand this, but for communisits like yourself that are jealous of others hard work the Marxist Kool aid tastes pretty good.

Actually the Communists tried to invade the CCF many times. It is why they had dismantle and re organize with individual memberships in Ontario so they could kick the Communists out. I know history escapes you but that is what happened.

As for central planning the lines "eradicate the system of capitalism and replace it with a planned economy of socialism." were added at the last minute becuase the CCF thought they needed something to set them apart. Although many didn't like it at the time, farmers mostly and when they became the NDP this was no longer needed because they had proved themselves as a party in Sask.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Social Credit was the creation of C.H.Douglas, it was never intended as a political party. At its core it was an economic philosophy entrenched within a political ideology. It was the bridge between capitalism and socialism, where the state was responsible to provide everything it could AFFORD to the citizens. The citizens were responsible to undertake productive efforts and to arrange their business affairs in such a way that a more equitable distribution of wealth was possible. Social credit was the definition of fiscal responsibility. Sadly folks like Bible Bill attempted to make Social Credit something it was not, and the effort fell flat on its face. Bible Bill failed to understand the political realities and the differences between provincial and federal authorities.

In todays modern political field, and in particular, todays modern economies, Social Credit makes more sense now than it ever did before. It is not communism, it is capitalism. It is not Liberal it is Conservative. With a few tweaks Social Credit could be most logical option available in this nation. Consider this, Canada is in fact a very left leaning nation with many socialistic policies and ideologies. What citizens want most in Canada is a peaceful state that uses its power to provide programs and services to the citizens. This is right up the Social Credit alley.

[Smallc]

This is right up the Social Credit alley.

Except for the fact that there are usually a bunch of bigots involved.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Except for the fact that there are usually a bunch of bigots involved.

We call them politicians in Canada.

[Pliny]

Actually the Communists tried to invade the CCF many times. It is why they had dismantle and re organize with individual memberships in Ontario so they could kick the Communists out. I know history escapes you but that is what happened.

What socialist totalitarian party can agree with another socialist totalitarian party? They both want to be Captain of the helm. Perhaps this is the reason Fascism and Nazism are placed as opposite communism on the political spectrum. Essentially they are different forms of totalitarian government.

[Pliny]

Social Credit was the creation of C.H.Douglas, it was never intended as a political party. At its core it was an economic philosophy entrenched within a political ideology. It was the bridge between capitalism and socialism, where the state was responsible to provide everything it could AFFORD to the citizens. The citizens were responsible to undertake productive efforts and to arrange their business affairs in such a way that a more equitable distribution of wealth was possible. Social credit was the definition of fiscal responsibility. Sadly folks like Bible Bill attempted to make Social Credit something it was not, and the effort fell flat on its face. Bible Bill failed to understand the political realities and the differences between provincial and federal authorities.

In todays modern political field, and in particular, todays modern economies, Social Credit makes more sense now than it ever did before. It is not communism, it is capitalism. It is not Liberal it is Conservative. With a few tweaks Social Credit could be most logical option available in this nation. Consider this, Canada is in fact a very left leaning nation with many socialistic policies and ideologies. What citizens want most in Canada is a peaceful state that uses its power to provide programs and services to the citizens. This is right up the Social Credit alley.

You are saying then that basically, there was an inequitable distribution of wealth and Social Credit could ensure "a more equitable distribution of wealth". Shades of Barack Obama! The question never seems to be asked as to why there is a perception of an inequitable distribution of wealth except that there is one and government is the only agency that can correct this. I submit that there is, under a laissez-faire or free market economy there will be an equal distribution of wealth. The key word is "equal", of course. We don't all contribute equally so we shouldn't all share equally. Should we all share equally? Should we level the playing field by trouncing upon any form of excellence.

Although I agree with what CH Douglas wanted to accomplish I don't agree that his plan would have accomplished it. Like any socialist scheme to redistribute wealth, whenever it fails in practice, it is always the implementers who erred and didn't understand the program.

Edited July 20, 2009 by Pliny

[punked]

What socialist totalitarian party can agree with another socialist totalitarian party? They both want to be Captain of the helm. Perhaps this is the reason Fascism and Nazism are placed as opposite communism on the political spectrum. Essentially they are different forms of totalitarian government.

The Nazis and the Fascist Tommy Douglas was the first in parliament to speak out against. Way before both the Liberals and the Conservatives, in fact the CCF were the only party to really address the fact their was an on coming war.