madmax Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 http://www.republicansforignatieff.com/ I posted this link in another thread, and not many bites... but .... this site which many people believe is linked to Stephen Taylor does manage to get its point across. The Site is humourous enough not to sway CPC supporters to Ignatieff even though they are highlighting many areas in which Ignatieff is to the Right of Harper. It also seems to be trying to put off Centre and Centre Left Liberal Supporters off Ignatieff and wedging them to either the CPC or the NDP. Funny stuff and I would think that an American Republican would support Ignatieff over Harper. This morning's big "release" on the site was a clip of Ignatieff from an academic speech in Ireland, where he claimed that George Bush should be included in the list of Americans promoting human rights, like Eleanor Roosevelt. Ignatieff has some Splaining to do....... Dubya and Jimmy Carter??? IS HE NUTS??? Regardless, this is priceless. At a time when the rest of the world, particularly the nations and people of Europe, were turning their backs on President Bush, Michael Ignatieff took a stand in publicly acknowledging the human rights actions of the former President. We salute his intellectual honesty and courage. Despite the fact that he sometimes criticized the domestic and foreign policies of Republican leaders, his words, overall, re-affirm our belief that he is the right choice for America, the right choice for Canada and the right choice for Republicans. Thats where the site gets funny. Somehow pretending to be a Republican Site..or with Republican Readership. Yeah its a CPC supporters hatchet job... Coercive Interrogation Support Poll WHO HAS BEEN THE STRONGEST VOICE IN FAVOR OF COERCIVE INTERROGATION? 29% CHENEY, Dick 17% LIMBAUGH, Rush 15% O'REILLY, Bill 39% IGNATIEFF, Michael Now... Dick Cheney is obviously a stronger voice in Coercive Interrogation and Americans wouldn't know Ignatieff if he bit them on the ass. But.. Many Canadians are aware of Ignatieffs parrallel view to Cheney on Coercive Interrogation. Hey, the guy supports torture and plays his role as the Bush/Cheney Apologist. Clearly, the CPC are dabbling with dividing the Liberals and exposing many of Ignatieffs Far Right Wing Weaknesses. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 ....But.. Many Canadians are aware of Ignatieffs parrallel view to Cheney on Coercive Interrogation.Hey, the guy supports torture and plays his role as the Bush/Cheney Apologist. Clearly, the CPC are dabbling with dividing the Liberals and exposing many of Ignatieffs Far Right Wing Weaknesses. So what....the Grits tried to do the same thing with PM Harper.....they lost anyway. Aren't there any domestic issues that interest Canadians? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 Aren't there any domestic issues that interest Canadians? If there aren't someone will host them for us.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
punked Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 I can not believe he is comparing the great peace maker Jimmy Carter, to Bush. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted July 11, 2009 Report Posted July 11, 2009 I know it's all tongue-in-cheek and partisan but it forms the nub of what is troubling about Ignatieff, to say the very least. He's in love with America - not Canada. Saying that "the problem with America is that they don't have someone like me". How can someone that arrogant represent the everyday needs of Canadians. This isn't Harper versus Ignatieff. Harper has plenty of warts but he's a Canadian through and through and like him or hate him - he loves his country - our country. Ignatieff is simply not qualified and quite frankly does not deserve to be considered for PM. Quote Back to Basics
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Posted July 11, 2009 .....How can someone that arrogant represent the everyday needs of Canadians. This isn't Harper versus Ignatieff. Harper has plenty of warts but he's a Canadian through and through and like him or hate him - he loves his country - our country. Ignatieff is simply not qualified and quite frankly does not deserve to be considered for PM. It is remarkable how much of a pass Ignatieff gets on this America worship, when it would not be tolerated for other PM hopefuls. "Damn Americans...he loves those bastards" Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
madmax Posted July 11, 2009 Author Report Posted July 11, 2009 Aren't there any domestic issues that interest Canadians? Sure there is... and I am waiting for you to tell me what they are ..... Quote
madmax Posted July 11, 2009 Author Report Posted July 11, 2009 I can not believe he is comparing the great peace maker Jimmy Carter, to Bush. That is one of the more disturbing quotes.. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Posted July 11, 2009 Sure there is... and I am waiting for you to tell me what they are ..... Don't worry....America will always create more for you to worry about. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jdobbin Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 What is funny is Conservatives denying the are doing it. http://unambig.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/wh...with-ignatieff/ While this is really a nothing website, and really not worthy of coverage, you may be interested to know that that the Republicans for Ignatieff website just happens to be hosted, of all of the millions of servers in the US let alone the world, by NearlyFreeSpeech.net of Cocoa Beach, Florida, which just so happens to be the same server that hosts Canadians4Democracy.ca (the anti-coalition website put up by Stephen Taylor, the Conservative blogger and citizen journalist who once ran for the Conservative nomination in Kingston and the Islands). Aside from many of the same formatting, use of quotations and footage, html coding style, both use the server ns.phx6.nearlyfreespeech.net. You can confirm that for yourself at WhoIs. Just another Conservative party member attack ad. This time they are afraid to admit they set it up. Quote
punked Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 What is funny is Conservatives denying the are doing it.http://unambig.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/wh...with-ignatieff/ Just another Conservative party member attack ad. This time they are afraid to admit they set it up. Me thinks someone doth protest too much. Quote
jdobbin Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Me thinks someone doth protest too much. About attack ads? I thought the NDP didn't feel very highly about them either, especially ones set up with false data about who owns the site. Quote
punked Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 About attack ads? I thought the NDP didn't feel very highly about them either, especially ones set up with false data about who owns the site. Where is the attack? I am sorry you don't like Mr. Ignatieff's positions but almost the whole site are just his words. Quote
jdobbin Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Where is the attack? I am sorry you don't like Mr. Ignatieff's positions but almost the whole site are just his words. Hosted in the U.S. by a group of Canadian Conservatives posing as Republicans and refusing to come forward. If the site is still up at the time of the election, it will be in violation of Canadian election law. Quote
punked Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Hosted in the U.S. by a group of Canadian Conservatives posing as Republicans and refusing to come forward. If the site is still up at the time of the election, it will be in violation of Canadian election law. Hosted in a U.S., ok so far so good, by Canadian citizens maybe you haven't convinced me yet but whatevs, who identify themselves with the Republican parties way of thinking. Perfectly legal and you have not pointed out the attack, "where is the soldiers in the street", or the "he is an elitist"? The whole site is just clips of things he himself said. That isn't an attack it is a way to get people to stop ignoring some of the crazy ultra-conservative things he has said in the past and actually look at them. Where is this attack you talk about? This is just new media hype. If the site was called "Things Ignatieff has said.com" and then had a bunch of clips of him would you still call it an attack. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Hosted in a U.S., ok so far so good, by Canadian citizens maybe you haven't convinced me yet but whatevs, who identify themselves with the Republican parties way of thinking. Perfectly legal and you have not pointed out the attack, "where is the soldiers in the street", or the "he is an elitist"? The whole site is just clips of things he himself said.That isn't an attack it is a way to get people to stop ignoring some of the crazy ultra-conservative things he has said in the past and actually look at them. Where is this attack you talk about? This is just new media hype. If the site was called "Things Ignatieff has said.com" and then had a bunch of clips of him would you still call it an attack. I believe malicious intent is the name of the game. Quote
jdobbin Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Hosted in a U.S., ok so far so good, by Canadian citizens maybe you haven't convinced me yet but whatevs, who identify themselves with the Republican parties way of thinking. Perfectly legal and you have not pointed out the attack, "where is the soldiers in the street", or the "he is an elitist"? The whole site is just clips of things he himself said. I'll have to remember that when a site is set up on Socialists of North Korea to support the NDP. Use Layton statements and indicate that the North Koreans support him. Quote
punked Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 I'll have to remember that when a site is set up on Socialists of North Korea to support the NDP. Use Layton statements and indicate that the North Koreans support him. Sure thing, accept Layton has never been involved or lived in North Korea, he does have quotes that talk about the North Korean leader and compare him too some of the greatest political figures who ever lived and he did not cheerlead a war for the North Korean leader. See how there is a bit of a difference here. These are actual video clips of Ignatieff supporting the Bush Admin plan and simple it isn't an attack it is this mans words. Quote
jdobbin Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Sure thing, accept Layton has never been involved or lived in North Korea, he does have quotes that talk about the North Korean leader and compare him too some of the greatest political figures who ever lived and he did not cheerlead a war for the North Korean leader. See how there is a bit of a difference here. These are actual video clips of Ignatieff supporting the Bush Admin plan and simple it isn't an attack it is this mans words. What Layton did do was advocate for a war in Darfur! Quote
punked Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 What Layton did do was advocate for a war in Darfur! See this is an attack. You don't use his words as they do on the site we are talking about you use a general line of attack. You use words never spoken by the man like war and you intentionally mix up facts, to either steer the conversation in another direction, or attack the man. Thank you for showing us how high above these things you are. However this site is just video clips of ACTUAL things Ignatieff said on things like justifying torture, comparing Bush to come the greatest peacemakers in history, and his unwaivering support of the Iraq war. His words, vs your made up statements. Quote
jdobbin Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 See this is an attack. You don't use his words as they do on the site we are talking about you use a general line of attack. You use words never spoken by the man like war and you intentionally mix up facts, to either steer the conversation in another direction, or attack the man.Thank you for showing us how high above these things you are. However this site is just video clips of ACTUAL things Ignatieff said on things like justifying torture, comparing Bush to come the greatest peacemakers in history, and his unwaivering support of the Iraq war. His words, vs your made up statements. I'm afraid I have shown you that Layton's focus is to send Canada to a war in Sudan. Quote
punked Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 I'm afraid I have shown you that Layton's focus is to send Canada to a war in Sudan. You showed me he wanted to send Peacekeepers in yes. However in order to send Peacekeeprers in under international law their must first be a Peace treaty, so he wanted to focus on the Sudan with in united nations frame work, push for peace and send peacekeepers in. See you cry when your guys words are used, then Lie to make the other guys look bad. That is an attack but of the worst kind it is a victim attack. Your the victim which makes it ok for you to attack now another party and not look bad. Either way some of these clips of Iggy preaching for torture and justifying it are just disturbing on this site seriously. Sometimes you play by the rules becuase they are the thing you are fighting for. Quote
jdobbin Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) You showed me he wanted to send Peacekeepers in yes. However in order to send Peacekeeprers in under international law their must first be a Peace treaty, so he wanted to focus on the Sudan with in united nations frame work, push for peace and send peacekeepers in. He didn't say anything about a peace treaty. He said in support of AU forces authorized by the U.N. We'll see how this plays out if someone mentions it on a website run anonymously. Edited July 16, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
punked Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 He didn't say anything about a peace treaty. He said in support of AU forces authorized by the U.N.We'll see how this plays out if someone mentions it on a website run anonymously. Did he say peacekeepers? Becuase as almost anyone who understands international politics knows you can't send peacekeepers in with out a peace treaty. I am sure it will play out just fine Liberal Senator Romeo Dallaire supported Jack on the idea their needs to be a peace treaty and that Canada if it wasn't in Afghanistan could lead the way in Peacekeeping there. What did Iggy say on the subject by the way? Ohhhhhh I remember "he will “use any international means” he can to get al-Bashir before the ICC" That is a real quote not like the ones you make up to attribute to people. Liberal attackers always on the low road. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Did he say peacekeepers? Becuase as almost anyone who understands international politics knows you can't send peacekeepers in with out a peace treaty. No. There is nothing in international law to that effect. There was no peace treaty between Israel and Egypt when Canada had blue berets in the Gaza..no peace treaty between Israel and Syria when they were in the Golan....or Cyprus.....or FYR...or Kosovo... In fact, if there is a peace treay, the need for peacekeepers vanishes. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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