Argus Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Lictor would fall into the "complete nutcase category" Nothing he said in that post you quoted was factually incorrect... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Seems to me that crime is often by poorer people against richer people, so SES would likely account for any differences in rates of b-w vs w-b crime. Ie, It may not be racial; at all. The main finding in that data is that the vast majority of crime is white-on-white. Two points. One, what you say could be true, but I don't see that as an explanation for the overwhelmingly lopsided sexual assault statistics. The second is that a big chunk of that "white on white" crime is actually "hispanic on white" crime. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Strangles Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Nothing he said in that post you quoted was factually incorrect... Do you know the conclusion lictor is coming to? Has lictor stated his conclusion? What is his conclusion. Enough of this tomfoolery and get to the point. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Do you know the conclusion lictor is coming to?Has lictor stated his conclusion? What is his conclusion. Enough of this tomfoolery and get to the point. Read lictor's ravings long enough, and you will know what his conclusions are. He has made it clear that he considers Blacks to be genetically inferiors, and that races should be separated. Everything else he says is based on that premise. Quote
kimmy Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Don't you dare claim economic conditions may be a factor in violence. Or to talk about how non-whiite criminals tend to get harsher sentence for similar crimes. And don't even consider pointing out that most non-whites are NOT criminals.That's not the point. the victims either are not the point. Making sure that everyone knows that non-Whites are dangerous, each and everyone of them. We've been here reading this ridiculous thread about bands of whites who apparently roam the country like wolves looking for poor swarthy people to attack. White hatred of others is assumed to be such a big source of evil that people look for it where it doesn't even exist (like Topaz here). But hark! Finally! Proof of this great wave of white hate! A video, even! Yes! Yes! Yes! The holy grail! Now this wave of white violence has been proven! Now we can do the guilt thing and the "we have so much to learn" thing and the handwringing thing and the navel-gazing thing and talk about how this is just the tip of what must be a vast vast iceberg, and all of that. Finally we can talk about this vast epidemic of white racist violence that permeates our country! But along comes some poor hapless slob who has the audacity to suggest that the reverse is much more often the case. And people laugh and ridicule him and accuse him of getting his information from Stormfront and demand proof. And provided with statistics that show that this great wave of white violence against others is fiction, and that whites are, indeed, much more the victims of violence than the attackers? Well, that obviously doesn't match with what we know to be true. That just doesn't fit with this big epidemic of white racists driving around looking for swarthy people to kick the crap out of. It's almost as if ... as if this wave of white hate isn't even real. What about our national handwringing on the subject of race?! And so we have the rationalizations... Well, the attackers are probably ...poor! ...they probably just wanted a sandwich! You're one of the ones who demanded proof that whites are more often the victims than the attackers. Now you've got your evidence, and because it says something much different than what you were hoping for, you're here denouncing people who'd actually talk about what your statistics show. Somebody who'd point out the obvious conclusions that can be drawn from these facts that you asked for is obviously just a racist. Facts were a great thing when you thought they would be on your side, but now that they're not, people who'd like to discuss them are obviously just racists trying to oppress Canada's poor, hungry people of colour. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
lictor616 Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 from kimmy's stats above, of every 100 crimes against peoplewhite on white.........69 black on black.........11 black on white.........15 other race on white... 3 white on black...........2 Seems to me that crime is often by poorer people against richer people, so SES would likely account for any differences in rates of b-w vs w-b crime. Ie, It may not be racial; at all. The main finding in that data is that the vast majority of crime is white-on-white. Has anyone a link for any case where a white person alleged a hate crime by a black person? It's possible, as speculated by some here, but I've never seen it reported. The Courtenay case will be interesting, and may not ultimately be judged to be a racial hate crime, since the same goons later that night threatened a white kid too. Not sure how that will be seen. yes of course ,... rape is a factor of poverty... being broke makes you violently "horny"... is there anything a liberal won't say to defend his religion of political correctness? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Guest TrueMetis Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Two points. One, what you say could be true, but I don't see that as an explanation for the overwhelmingly lopsided sexual assault statistics.The second is that a big chunk of that "white on white" crime is actually "hispanic on white" crime. According to the same study 77% of rapes the offender was white so not that lopsided victims described the offender as white in 77% of rapes 70% of simple assaults 64% of aggravated assaults Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 We've been here reading this ridiculous thread about bands of whites who apparently roam the country like wolves looking for poor swarthy people to attack.White hatred of others is assumed to be such a big source of evil that people look for it where it doesn't even exist (like Topaz here). But hark! Finally! Proof of this great wave of white hate! A video, even! Yes! Yes! Yes! The holy grail! Now this wave of white violence has been proven! Now we can do the guilt thing and the "we have so much to learn" thing and the handwringing thing and the navel-gazing thing and talk about how this is just the tip of what must be a vast vast iceberg, and all of that. Finally we can talk about this vast epidemic of white racist violence that permeates our country! But along comes some poor hapless slob who has the audacity to suggest that the reverse is much more often the case. And people laugh and ridicule him and accuse him of getting his information from Stormfront and demand proof. And provided with statistics that show that this great wave of white violence against others is fiction, and that whites are, indeed, much more the victims of violence than the attackers? Well, that obviously doesn't match with what we know to be true. That just doesn't fit with this big epidemic of white racists driving around looking for swarthy people to kick the crap out of. It's almost as if ... as if this wave of white hate isn't even real. What about our national handwringing on the subject of race?! And so we have the rationalizations... Well, the attackers are probably ...poor! ...they probably just wanted a sandwich! You're one of the ones who demanded proof that whites are more often the victims than the attackers. Now you've got your evidence, and because it says something much different than what you were hoping for, you're here denouncing people who'd actually talk about what your statistics show. Somebody who'd point out the obvious conclusions that can be drawn from these facts that you asked for is obviously just a racist. Facts were a great thing when you thought they would be on your side, but now that they're not, people who'd like to discuss them are obviously just racists trying to oppress Canada's poor, hungry people of colour. -k Considering that I never said, or thought, that there is a wave of white racist attacks against Blacks in this country, you'll excuse me while I laugh. Interesting by the way, how some people hate to hear about the fact that groups where there is a higher rate of criminals are also usually the poorest. Nope, cannot say a thing about that. could it be because the conclusion that is sought is not only that proportionnaly more crimes are committed by members of certain groups, but also that members of those groups are criminals by definition?. Quote
lictor616 Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 According to the same study 77% of rapes the offender was white so not that lopsided we're talking about interracial rape. U.S. Justice Department 2006 rape statistics: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf Scroll to Table 42. --> 32,443 Whites raped by Blacks, less then 10 Blacks raped by Whites. U.S. Justice Department 2005 rape statistics: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf Scroll to Table 42. --> 37,460 Whites raped by Blacks, less then 10 Blacks raped by Whites. U.S. Justice Department 2004 rape statistics: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0402.pdf Scroll to Table 42. --> 11,611 Whites raped by Blacks, less then 10 Blacks raped by Whites. U.S. Justice Department 2003 rape statistics: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0302.pdf Scroll to Table 42. --> 20,309 Whites raped by Blacks, less then 10 Blacks raped by Whites. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Griz Posted August 1, 2009 Author Report Posted August 1, 2009 What about all those smaller-type communties in Northern BC who have the reputation to be rednecky? How common do you think it is for natives to get jumped by a bunch of arse-holes like the incident in Courtenay? What was captured on tape is only a fraction of what really happens out there. You never even responded to my point about the Highway of Tears? Go live in those small towns or bigger places like Prince George or Ft ST John where hatred towards minorities like indians is common-place. Even with seemingly average white folks like cops, teachers and judges, their attitudes are like Lictor: "We've done you indians one great big favour by showing up in a boat!" . Talk to some native kid who has gone to public schools in places like PG. Watch the movie "Conspiracy of Silence," or, "Cowboys and Indians," to get a better idea of what it is truly like. If this wasn't captured on tape, those guys would've went on to find someone else to beat-up for their cheap little "Im a big tough guy and this is white town so get out thrill." We've been here reading this ridiculous thread about bands of whites who apparently roam the country like wolves looking for poor swarthy people to attack.White hatred of others is assumed to be such a big source of evil that people look for it where it doesn't even exist (like Topaz here). But hark! Finally! Proof of this great wave of white hate! A video, even! Yes! Yes! Yes! The holy grail! Now this wave of white violence has been proven! Now we can do the guilt thing and the "we have so much to learn" thing and the handwringing thing and the navel-gazing thing and talk about how this is just the tip of what must be a vast vast iceberg, and all of that. Finally we can talk about this vast epidemic of white racist violence that permeates our country! But along comes some poor hapless slob who has the audacity to suggest that the reverse is much more often the case. And people laugh and ridicule him and accuse him of getting his information from Stormfront and demand proof. And provided with statistics that show that this great wave of white violence against others is fiction, and that whites are, indeed, much more the victims of violence than the attackers? Well, that obviously doesn't match with what we know to be true. That just doesn't fit with this big epidemic of white racists driving around looking for swarthy people to kick the crap out of. It's almost as if ... as if this wave of white hate isn't even real. What about our national handwringing on the subject of race?! And so we have the rationalizations... Well, the attackers are probably ...poor! ...they probably just wanted a sandwich! You're one of the ones who demanded proof that whites are more often the victims than the attackers. Now you've got your evidence, and because it says something much different than what you were hoping for, you're here denouncing people who'd actually talk about what your statistics show. Somebody who'd point out the obvious conclusions that can be drawn from these facts that you asked for is obviously just a racist. Facts were a great thing when you thought they would be on your side, but now that they're not, people who'd like to discuss them are obviously just racists trying to oppress Canada's poor, hungry people of colour. -k Quote
Strangles Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 We've been here reading this ridiculous thread about bands of whites who apparently roam the country like wolves looking for poor swarthy people to attack.White hatred of others is assumed to be such a big source of evil that people look for it where it doesn't even exist (like Topaz here). But hark! Finally! Proof of this great wave of white hate! A video, even! Yes! Yes! Yes! The holy grail! Now this wave of white violence has been proven! Now we can do the guilt thing and the "we have so much to learn" thing and the handwringing thing and the navel-gazing thing and talk about how this is just the tip of what must be a vast vast iceberg, and all of that. Finally we can talk about this vast epidemic of white racist violence that permeates our country! But along comes some poor hapless slob who has the audacity to suggest that the reverse is much more often the case. And people laugh and ridicule him and accuse him of getting his information from Stormfront and demand proof. And provided with statistics that show that this great wave of white violence against others is fiction, and that whites are, indeed, much more the victims of violence than the attackers? Well, that obviously doesn't match with what we know to be true. That just doesn't fit with this big epidemic of white racists driving around looking for swarthy people to kick the crap out of. It's almost as if ... as if this wave of white hate isn't even real. What about our national handwringing on the subject of race?! And so we have the rationalizations... Well, the attackers are probably ...poor! ...they probably just wanted a sandwich! You're one of the ones who demanded proof that whites are more often the victims than the attackers. Now you've got your evidence, and because it says something much different than what you were hoping for, you're here denouncing people who'd actually talk about what your statistics show. Somebody who'd point out the obvious conclusions that can be drawn from these facts that you asked for is obviously just a racist. Facts were a great thing when you thought they would be on your side, but now that they're not, people who'd like to discuss them are obviously just racists trying to oppress Canada's poor, hungry people of colour. -k Being a bit of a devil's advocate here, I'm not perpetuating a notion that all whites are / were racist, but if racism (and i don't mean just white racism, but all racism) didn't exist, then what's all this about....? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_solution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_trade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_hi...igenous_peoples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom#Pogroms_against_Jews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda_genocide and so on...and so forth..... Racism is deeply entrenched in the human psyche and needs to exorcised. Racism, discrimination, intolerance and bigotry need to be pointed out and chastised before they can manifest themselves through the bowels of our society. White racism, black racism, whatever ugly form it takes, all needs to be repelled one way or another. Sites such as Stormfront need to be ridiculed for the garbage they perpetuate. People on them need to be pointed out and ridiculed. Quote
lictor616 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Being a bit of a devil's advocate here, I'm not perpetuating a notion that all whites are / were racist, but if racism (and i don't mean just white racism, but all racism) didn't exist, then what's all this about....?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_solution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_trade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_hi...igenous_peoples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom#Pogroms_against_Jews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda_genocide and so on...and so forth..... Racism is deeply entrenched in the human psyche and needs to exorcised. Racism, discrimination, intolerance and bigotry need to be pointed out and chastised before they can manifest themselves through the bowels of our society. White racism, black racism, whatever ugly form it takes, all needs to be repelled one way or another. Sites such as Stormfront need to be ridiculed for the garbage they perpetuate. People on them need to be pointed out and ridiculed. racism is an evolutionnary trait found not only in humans but in all animalia as well... it is a deeply rooted instinct of self preservation and defence... every healthy organism has it... the ones who don't are not here today and have been eaten by the ones who did... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
benny Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) racism is an evolutionnary trait found not only in humans but in all animalia as well... it is a deeply rooted instinct of self preservation and defence... every healthy organism has it... the ones who don't are not here today and have been eaten by the ones who did... Once one knows the difference between scissiparity and sexuality, plants can be deemed more racist than animals. Edited August 2, 2009 by benny Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 racism is an evolutionnary trait found not only in humans but in all animalia as well... it is a deeply rooted instinct of self preservation and defence... every healthy organism has it... the ones who don't are not here today and have been eaten by the ones who did... So now animal are racists. Quote
benny Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 So now animal are racists. Genes are "selfish". Quote
Argus Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Do you know the conclusion lictor is coming to?Has lictor stated his conclusion? What is his conclusion. Enough of this tomfoolery and get to the point. If you respond to a factually correct post with insults that says nothing respectful about you as a debator. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
benny Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 If you respond to a factually correct post with insults that says nothing respectful about you as a debator. Nobody is perfect. Quote
Argus Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 According to the same study 77% of rapes the offender was white so not that lopsided 37,000 cases of Black men raping white women 10 cases of white men raping Black women. You don't consider that lopsided? You don't consider those attacks might have a racial angle? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
benny Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 37,000 cases of Black men raping white women 10 cases of white men raping Black women. You don't consider that lopsided? You don't consider those attacks might have a racial angle? Racist white men have more than erection problems before sexy black women. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 What about all those smaller-type communties in Northern BC who have the reputation to be rednecky? How common do you think it is for natives to get jumped by a bunch of arse-holes like the incident in Courtenay? What was captured on tape is only a fraction of what really happens out there. You never even responded to my point about the Highway of Tears? Go live in those small towns or bigger places like Prince George or Ft ST John where hatred towards minorities like indians is common-place. Even with seemingly average white folks like cops, teachers and judges, their attitudes are like Lictor: "We've done you indians one great big favour by showing up in a boat!" . Talk to some native kid who has gone to public schools in places like PG. Watch the movie "Conspiracy of Silence," or, "Cowboys and Indians," to get a better idea of what it is truly like. If this wasn't captured on tape, those guys would've went on to find someone else to beat-up for their cheap little "Im a big tough guy and this is white town so get out thrill." Up in redneck-land, it is the natives one must watch out for. Natives attacking whites = way too common. http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/2009073...us-assault.html Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
benny Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Up in redneck-land, it is the natives one must watch out for. Natives attacking whites = way too common. Paranoia is a universal symmetry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_stage Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Paranoia is a universal symmetry.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_stage I live in BC and spend my time in various communities like Prince George, Lillooet, Courtney/Comox, Quesnel, etc. Most Native Indians have way too much time on their hands. Prince George is particularly vicious re: The Natives. Native gangs and such give PG it's deserved 4th most dangerous city in Canada title as per McLeans Magazine. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
CANADIEN Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) Racist white men have more than erection problems before sexy black women. I do not believe the "only 10" number. And no, I am not saying that any one has made that one up. We are talking about reported rapes that resulted in conviction; the real numbers are higher.... As for your comment, it is incredibly idiotic even by your standards. Edited August 2, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote
benny Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 I live in BC and spend my time in various communities like Prince George, Lillooet, Courtney/Comox, Quesnel, etc. Most Native Indians have way too much time on their hands. Prince George is particularly vicious re: The Natives. Native gangs and such give PG it's deserved 4th most dangerous city in Canada title as per McLeans Magazine. I think that if the name of the city was Queen Elizabeth, the city would be even more violent. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 I think that if the name of the city was Queen Elizabeth, the city would be even more violent. Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Regina...#4 = Prince George. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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