Argus Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 Canada is once again considering imposing a visa requirement on anyone wanting to come here from the Czech republic. The European union browbeat us into removing the visa last year, and almost a thousand gypsies have come over since then, claiming asylum. Gypsies, tramps and thieves The attitude of the Europeans is fairly clear. Canada's problem as the world's bitch is not the fault of Europe. It is the fault of cowardly Canadian politicians who won't stiffen up our asylum laws so we aren't abused by anyone and everyone who can get ashore. They do not want visas imposed on any member of the European community. If phony refugees are arriving, then Canada should send them back. Unfortunately Canada is completely incapable of doing so. This is particularly so with gypsies, who, once here, will change their names and disappear. Guaranteed only a small fraction of those released onto the streets will ever turn up for an asylum hearing. The rest will quickly be on the road, joining their brethren in one scam or another. So either we reimpose visa requirements, and make the EU mad, which might lead to some kind of retaliation, or we just let all the world's gypsies come here and join the happy crime spree. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 Unfortunately Canada is completely incapable of doing so. This is particularly so with gypsies, who, once here, will change their names and disappear. Guaranteed only a small fraction of those released onto the streets will ever turn up for an asylum hearing. The rest will quickly be on the road, joining their brethren in one scam or another.So either we reimpose visa requirements, and make the EU mad, which might lead to some kind of retaliation, or we just let all the world's gypsies come here and join the happy crime spree. I haven't seen any stories on Roma not appearing for their immigration hearing or becoming involved in crimes after arriving. Do you have any stats on that or some links? I can't find any. Quote
Machjo Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 I haven't seen any stories on Roma not appearing for their immigration hearing or becoming involved in crimes after arriving. Do you have any stats on that or some links? I can't find any. I guess he mistakenly thought that not showing up for hearings is part of the genetic makeup of the Roma? Ah, prejudices manifest as the noon-day sun. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
ToadBrother Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 Canada is once again considering imposing a visa requirement on anyone wanting to come here from the Czech republic. The European union browbeat us into removing the visa last year, and almost a thousand gypsies have come over since then, claiming asylum.Gypsies, tramps and thieves The attitude of the Europeans is fairly clear. Canada's problem as the world's bitch is not the fault of Europe. It is the fault of cowardly Canadian politicians who won't stiffen up our asylum laws so we aren't abused by anyone and everyone who can get ashore. They do not want visas imposed on any member of the European community. If phony refugees are arriving, then Canada should send them back. Unfortunately Canada is completely incapable of doing so. This is particularly so with gypsies, who, once here, will change their names and disappear. Guaranteed only a small fraction of those released onto the streets will ever turn up for an asylum hearing. The rest will quickly be on the road, joining their brethren in one scam or another. So either we reimpose visa requirements, and make the EU mad, which might lead to some kind of retaliation, or we just let all the world's gypsies come here and join the happy crime spree. 1300AD called and wants their racist crap back. Quote
August1991 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 1300AD called and wants their racist crap back. [sarcasm]Then let's remove all visa requirements for entry to Canada. Let's not discriminate at all, certainly not according to nationality, and let anyone into Canada.[/sarcasm] Quote
Argus Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Posted July 2, 2009 1300AD called and wants their racist crap back. I understand why someone without any apparent ability to judge right or wrong, unsophisticated in his political outlook, and without ever having read a newspaper beyond the funny pages would come to that conclusion. But the truth is I really don't even know what "race" the roma are, assuming they constitute any sort of distinct race. They are sort of like Italians or Greeks, aren't they? My not wanting to have hoards of phony gypsie immigrants here is based entirely on their well-justified reputation for crime. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Remiel Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 I have to wonder why it is that anti-Semitism is rightly despised, yet anti-Ziganism is still cool with people. To answer your question though, the Roma are thought to have migrated slowly from India to Europe or somewhere thereabouts a thousand or so years ago. Quote
ToadBrother Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 I understand why someone without any apparent ability to judge right or wrong, unsophisticated in his political outlook, and without ever having read a newspaper beyond the funny pages would come to that conclusion. But the truth is I really don't even know what "race" the roma are, assuming they constitute any sort of distinct race. They are sort of like Italians or Greeks, aren't they?My not wanting to have hoards of phony gypsie immigrants here is based entirely on their well-justified reputation for crime. Race is pretty meaningless. The Roma have interbred heavily with populations wherever they have gone. However, culturally and linguistically they remain a separate people in many areas. They have also been dogged for centuries, and were, along with Jews, one of the primary targets of the Nazi racial purification schemes. As to "well justified", perhaps you could come up with some unbiased figures here. The Czechs are pretty notorious for blaming a great deal on the Roma (much as their ancestors did). Let's face it, there's almost as long a history of European hatred and fear of the Roma as there is of European hatred and fear of Jews. Quote
Bonam Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 I understand why someone without any apparent ability to judge right or wrong, unsophisticated in his political outlook, and without ever having read a newspaper beyond the funny pages would come to that conclusion. But the truth is I really don't even know what "race" the roma are, assuming they constitute any sort of distinct race. They are sort of like Italians or Greeks, aren't they?My not wanting to have hoards of phony gypsie immigrants here is based entirely on their well-justified reputation for crime. People's ideas of race change over time. A few centuries ago, the different peoples of Europe saw each other as distinct races. Slavs, Germans, Anglo-Saxons, Spaniards, etc - they all viewed each other as other races. For another example, the Jews were also considered a racial group rather than a religious group, and still are considered a racial group everywhere except in Anglo countries. Similarly in Asia; the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc, view each other as separate racial groups, though many Caucasians might just classify them as one "Asian" race. The people of Iran view themselves as a different racial group than the Arabs, which consider themselves a race as well. In that context I'd say that the Roma people are very much a race. That being said, we should definitely tighten how immigration into Canada works. It's not an issue of racism but of plain old common sense. Quote
Argus Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) I guess he mistakenly thought that not showing up for hearings is part of the genetic makeup of the Roma? ROMANI CAUSE 800% CRIME INCREASE British police said last year that they were struggling to cope with a staggering 800 per cent increase in crimes, such as pickpocketing, committed by Romanians since they started coming to Britain in large numbers Gypsies cause crime havoc across Europe It is impossible to conduct any serious research into the topic of Gypsies or Travelers without noticing that they are forever at odds with every community in which they live. Although crime is at the center of this conflict, academicians have displayed a refusal to honestly discuss this problem. Cons, Frauds and other Lies "In the Czech Republic, 75% of Roma children are educated in schools for people with learning difficulties, and 70% are unemployed (compared with a national rate of 9%). In Hungary, 44% of Roma children are in special schools, while 74% of men and 83% of women are unemployed. In Slovakia, Roma children are 28 times as likely to be sent to a special school than non-Roma; Roma unemployment stands at 80%." Gypsies haunting Europe Gypsies Wreak Havoc He reported that this group of uncounted people are not merely 'banjo playing buffoons but people raised from a young age believing that it is their god-given mission in life to cheat the rest of us. Although it didn't sound politically correct, he went on to say that unlike us they don't obey laws, or attend more than 7 years of school. He reported they are inbred, loaded with money, constantly move, frequently jump bail, attempt to bribe their way out of jail (some times with phony bonds) and are involved in far more crime than the mafia. Association for Critical Thinking Edited July 2, 2009 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Posted July 2, 2009 Race is pretty meaningless. So they're not a distinct racial group, and race is meaningless, but the first mention of them as an undesirable group brings you screaming "racist". Explain that, why don't you. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
August1991 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) I have to wonder why it is that anti-Semitism is rightly despised, yet anti-Ziganism is still cool with people.Remiel, Pakistani citizens (for example) are required to obtain a Canadian visitor visa before travelling to Canada. German citizens (for example) do not require a visa and can board a plane with only their passport.The OP concerns this basic form of discrimination that Canada already practices. Edited July 2, 2009 by August1991 Quote
Argus Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) I have to wonder why it is that anti-Semitism is rightly despised, yet anti-Ziganism is still cool with people. Other than the wackos who talk, with no evidence, of some kind of world-wide Jewish conspiracy, I haven't heard anyone showing anything particularly bad about Jews as a people. They mostly obey the law, they work hard, they value education, and they contribute to the societies in which they reside. On the other hand, I have never heard anyone say anything good about gypsies, about their contributions to societies, cultural traditions, their dedicated work with charities, their value of education, or anything else. I have heard or read or seen nothing ever associated with gypsies other than crime everywhere they go. In any event, they are not "persecuted" in the Czech republic, which is a democracy. We should not even be allowing applicants from the EU. Edited July 2, 2009 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Remiel Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 Remiel, Pakistani citizens (for example) are required to obtain a Canadian visitor visa before travelling to Canada. German citizens (for example) do not require a visa and can board a plane with only their passport.The OP concerns this basic form of discrimination that Canada already practices. I do not object to visa requirements. I was not even addressing them. If you want Roma to get a visitor visa to come to Canada, fine. But the moment you (well, not you in this case, but you know what I mean) stop your argument for visas and begin your argument for Roma all being thieves, I stop being interested in being nice. Kind of like how I am not endeared to people who begin their conversations with " Arabs are terrorists, " or " Jews want to rule the world from the shadows. " Quote
lictor616 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 Canada is once again considering imposing a visa requirement on anyone wanting to come here from the Czech republic. The European union browbeat us into removing the visa last year, and almost a thousand gypsies have come over since then, claiming asylum.Gypsies, tramps and thieves The attitude of the Europeans is fairly clear. Canada's problem as the world's bitch is not the fault of Europe. It is the fault of cowardly Canadian politicians who won't stiffen up our asylum laws so we aren't abused by anyone and everyone who can get ashore. They do not want visas imposed on any member of the European community. If phony refugees are arriving, then Canada should send them back. Unfortunately Canada is completely incapable of doing so. This is particularly so with gypsies, who, once here, will change their names and disappear. Guaranteed only a small fraction of those released onto the streets will ever turn up for an asylum hearing. The rest will quickly be on the road, joining their brethren in one scam or another. So either we reimpose visa requirements, and make the EU mad, which might lead to some kind of retaliation, or we just let all the world's gypsies come here and join the happy crime spree. Jeez the last thing we need is pikers squatting around... Is Canada an infinite trash can of all the world's anthropoid pests? We're way beyond our immigration being a joke, its beginning to be a threat to our safety, our way of life and very existence as a people... Unrestricted garbage dump style immigration simply doesn't work... This needs to stop... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 So they're not a distinct racial group, and race is meaningless, but the first mention of them as an undesirable group brings you screaming "racist". Explain that, why don't you. hahahah the turret of our times! we have to recognize them as a separate race to give them preferrential treatment, but then if WE talk about them as such (as a distinct race).. we get hit laced with accusations of "nazism" and "racial hatred"... they want their cake and the money to buy it too... this would be funny if it weren't so freaking insane! Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Remiel Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 On the other hand, I have never heard anyone say anything good about gypsies, about their contributions to societies, cultural traditions, their dedicated work with charities, their value of education, or anything else. I have heard or read or seen nothing ever associated with gypsies other than crime everywhere they go. Maybe that is because everyone has been conditioned with the same confirmation bias with regards to Romani people: That every time a Romani commits a crime, it is confirmation that Romani are criminals and sticks out in peoples minds. No one notices or cares about all the times Romani are not commiting crimes, because there is nothing noteworthy about it. It was not that long ago that you would never have heard anyone say anything good about Jews, yet that was not evidence that Jews were bad. In any event, they are not "persecuted" in the Czech republic, which is a democracy. We should not even be allowing applicants from the EU. What exactly does being a democracy have to do with persecution? Not like anyone hated Jews in the Weimar Republic, right? Quote
Argus Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Posted July 2, 2009 Maybe that is because everyone has been conditioned with the same confirmation bias with regards to Romani people: That every time a Romani commits a crime, it is confirmation that Romani are criminals and sticks out in peoples minds. No one notices or cares about all the times Romani are not commiting crimes, because there is nothing noteworthy about it. Perhaps not but people do notice an 800% increase in crime. It was not that long ago that you would never have heard anyone say anything good about Jews, Generations, actually. And anyway, we're not talking about superstitions here based on the bible. We're not talking about rumors and suspicions of foreigners from the perspective of a homogenous community which dislikes outsiders. The gypsies have been problematic throughout Europe, east and west, in North America and elsewhere. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bonam Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) On the other hand, I have never heard anyone say anything good about gypsies, about their contributions to societies, cultural traditions, their dedicated work with charities, their value of education, or anything else. I have heard or read or seen nothing ever associated with gypsies other than crime everywhere they go. I know one gypsy that is a laser technologist at a particle accelerator... I don't think it's an issue of race as much as it is one of culture. Entry to Canada should not be based on what racial group one comes from but what one can contribute to our society, evaluated on an individual basis. Edited July 2, 2009 by Bonam Quote
lictor616 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 I know one gypsy that is a laser technologist at a particle accelerator...I don't think it's an issue of race as much as it is one of culture. Entry to Canada should not be based on what racial group one comes from but what one can contribute to our society, evaluated on an individual basis. I agree with this... unfortunately the "diversity mongers" will tell you that this position is racist! ... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
CANADIEN Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 I agree with this... Really? Would you have people believe that after all your ranting about how intelligence is linked to racial features? :lol: Quote
CANADIEN Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 Generations, actually. And anyway, we're not talking about superstitions here based on the bible. We're not talking about rumors and suspicions of foreigners from the perspective of a homogenous community which dislikes outsiders. The gypsies have been problematic throughout Europe, east and west, in North America and elsewhere. The 1930's and 1940's are not generations away. Remember, that's when the Canadian governbment's policy was that one Jewish immigrant was one too many? When there were quotas so that not too many Jews would be admitted to medical studies in major Canadian universities? When it was perfectly legal to reffuse them service in restaurants? Yep, prejudice was alive and well then. Hey well. There is at least one group that is not the object of your non-sensical baseless ignorant prejudice. Quote
tango Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 It appears to me that Canada is a trashcan of racists. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Argus Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Posted July 3, 2009 It appears to me that Canada is a trashcan of racists. More like a trashcan of morons with weak minds. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
CANADIEN Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 More like a trashcan of morons with weak minds. Canada is most certainly not a trashcan. But "morons with weak minds"... an apt description of most racists, xenophobes, homophobes... Quote
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