Harper's EI panel

[Topaz]

I understand Findley being on the panel but putting Pierre on the panel and it just shows that its my way or the highway mode! This little 29 year old bulldog really likes to pound his chest in the Commons, so why would anyone think the Tories will try to listen to the Libs?? Its a waste of time and the only thing that will come of this is employers getting EI, because Harper agrees with it and it will help his oil drilling bros. when time are stuff. I do believe though that part time workrs need to have their own rules to collect. If you pay into than you should be able to draw from it when you needed it. If pasrtimers can't collect then they should be able to have the choice to pay into or not. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/658316

[CAMP]

I understand Findley being on the panel but putting Pierre on the panel and it just shows that its my way or the highway mode! This little 29 year old bulldog really likes to pound his chest in the Commons, so why would anyone think the Tories will try to listen to the Libs?? Its a waste of time and the only thing that will come of this is employers getting EI, because Harper agrees with it and it will help his oil drilling bros. when time are stuff. I do believe though that part time workers need to have their own rules to collect. If you pay into than you should be able to draw from it when you needed it. If pasrtimers can't collect then they should be able to have the choice to pay into or not. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/658316

Our EI system is only half a system now at best. It is in total need of overhaul. Unfortunately it will be overhauled by people who most likely will never need to use it. Again our government setting up a system for their own benefit with no input from the regular population who would need it. I wouldn't trust anyone on any panel put together by either Harper or Ignatieff to fix EI to be fair to all.

[Molly]

re: part-timers. No flipping kidding! Contrary to common opinion, part-time work is often a matter of necessity, in which full-time is impossible or next-to.

Replacing a part-time skilled job is a very tough road. Folks who want skills generally want full-time employees. Folks who hire part-time generally do so to avoid having to pay benefits or appropriate wages. Finding a new part time job often becomes a choice between working hours beyond ones capability (whether that means neglecting ones other commitments like school or child-care, or hospitalizing onesself) or doing shitwork for abusive wages.

When one pays for insurance, one hopes to actually be insured.

I wonder just how many seniors whose retirement fund isn't going to cover their needs, who can't physically work full-time but bring huge skills to the job, are finding themselves out of work and out of luck? (How many of those are particularly desperate because their retirement fund melted down at the same time as they lost their necessary supplement part-time job?)

[benny]

I understand Findley being on the panel but putting Pierre on the panel and it just shows that its my way or the highway mode! This little 29 year old bulldog really likes to pound his chest in the Commons, so why would anyone think the Tories will try to listen to the Libs??

Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre has been named on this panel! Recall that the same day when Harper made official apologies to natives, this arrogant man was saying Canada's aboriginals need to learn the value of hard work more than they need compensation for abuse suffered in residential schools.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...0612?hub=Canada

[myata]

Harper, i.e. his nasty self, is sticking it to Iggy. Both are worthy of each other. Amen.

[benny]

Harper, i.e. his nasty self, is sticking it to Iggy. Both are worthy of each other. Amen.

There are other political options.

[Alta4ever]

There are other political options.

There are?

[benny]

There are?

yes

[Alta4ever]

yes

Only if you want to vote for some crack pot.

[benny]

Only if you want to vote for some crack pot.

Not at all.

[punked]

I was impressed Harper took one of his appointments to appoint a non politician. He actually appointed a civil servant who knows something about EI. This is going to be great spin if Iggy does not do the same thing. Harper can say he was trying not to be partsian, and that Iggy was trying to make this a political thing instead of solving the problems. It was a really good move on his part who did Iggy appoint?

[benny]

who did Iggy appoint?

"Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has said he will appoint MPs Michael Savage and Marlene Jennings, along with Kevin Chan, his head of policy who is a former senior bureaucrat with the Privy Council under the Harper government."

[punked]

"Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has said he will appoint MPs Michael Savage and Marlene Jennings, along with Kevin Chan, his head of policy who is a former senior bureaucrat with the Privy Council under the Harper government."

OK so political appointments. I see Harper spinning this, too actually for once look like the good guy. He has his attack dogs who will kill the actual political stuff, but then he has this Civil Servant that makes it look like he is trying.

As for Michael Savage his Dad didn't say a thing when the Liberals killed EI the first time. He supported as Premier of one of the hardest hit provinces by the rules change. I guess we can't always blame the son for the sins of the Father look at Geoff Reagan's father he stole millions when we Premier of that province it wasn't Geoff's fault but there has be better to lead the charge. Scott Simms comes to mind.

[benny]

OK so political appointments. I see Harper spinning this, too actually for once look like the good guy. He has his attack dogs who will kill the actual political stuff, but then he has this Civil Servant that makes it look like he is trying.

As for Michael Savage his Dad didn't say a thing when the Liberals killed EI the first time. He supported as Premier of one of the hardest hit provinces by the rules change. I guess we can't always blame the son for the sins of the Father look at Geoff Reagan's father he stole millions when we Premier of that province it wasn't Geoff's fault but there has be better to lead the charge. Scott Simms comes to mind.

Kevin Chan seems to me more of a neutral appointment.

[punked]

Kevin Chan seems to me more of a neutral appointment.

Yah but this is how Harper will spin it. "Chan is on the Liberal pay roll, while I appointed a Senior government official who knows about the ins and outs of EI. They are trying to play politics with an important issue." That is what I assume happens.

[benny]

Yah but this is how Harper will spin it. "Chan is on the Liberal pay roll, while I appointed a Senior government official who knows about the ins and outs of EI. They are trying to play politics with an important issue." That is what I assume happens.

We will see.

[punked]

We will see.

Nothing will come of it. Iggy will say it is Harpers fault and depending on the economy at the time Harper will say "we can't afford it Iggy wants to spend all your hard earned money and tax you to death." or he will say "He is playing politics with an important issue and thus killed it" Regardless EI as an issue does not play well where Iggy needs to win PQ, Ont, and BC. It is really an East coast issue where the Liberals will see very little growth I bet he drops it an Micheal Savage soon after he sees that in the polls.

[benny]

Harper will say "we can't afford it Iggy wants to spend all your hard earned money..."

During a recession this argument has less strength because people are just feeling lucky to still have jobs.

[CAMP]

And those that just lost their jobs and don't qualify for EI are becomming very frustrated.

[punked]

During a recession this argument has less strength because people are just feeling lucky to still have jobs.

I he will say that if we start to rebound by then and jobs numbers in the hardest hit provinces start to improve. A lot are saying we have seen the worst of this storm in Canada and are coming out of the woods. It will take a lot out of the Liberals if this is true.

[benny]

I he will say that if we start to rebound by then and jobs numbers in the hardest hit provinces start to improve. A lot are saying we have seen the worst of this storm in Canada and are coming out of the woods. It will take a lot out of the Liberals if this is true.

I would not bet on a speedy economic recovery.

[punked]

I would not bet on a speedy economic recovery.

Just higher resource prices, oil, natural gas, zinc, uranium. I bet it happens by the fall no but if Harper holds it together until after the winter games I think it will all be over for Iggy. He can't wait too long he is 61 already so if Harper can avoid a fall election in some way it will be really bad for the Liberals. They need to pull the trigger soon.

[CAMP]

I would bet on a slower economic recovery than what is being told presently.

The manufacturing sector (which I am heavily involved in) is now pushing out all major orders to the 4th quarter.

Most manufacturing is sputtering along in a holding pattern doing the bare minimum to survive for those who are while many others are closing up shop. The jobs lost in the past year will not likely return. This is because of our government not protecting our manufacturing sector to at least provide a level playing field with the rest of the world.

[punked]

I would bet on a slower economic recovery than what is being told presently.

The manufacturing sector (which I am heavily involved in) is now pushing out all major orders to the 4th quarter.

Most manufacturing is sputtering along in a holding pattern doing the bare minimum to survive for those who are while many others are closing up shop. The jobs lost in the past year will not likely return. This is because of our government not protecting our manufacturing sector to at least provide a level playing field with the rest of the world.

But EI plays terrible in Ontario in the polls. Outside of Ontario we are a resource based economy even inside Ontario we are really.

[benny]

Just higher resource prices, oil, natural gas, zinc, uranium. I bet it happens by the fall no but if Harper holds it together until after the winter games I think it will all be over for Iggy. He can't wait too long he is 61 already so if Harper can avoid a fall election in some way it will be really bad for the Liberals. They need to pull the trigger soon.

The prices of non-renewable natural resources are not a very good economic indicator and Ignatieff age is not very relevant.