Oleg Bach Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 So the man with the iron will controls all - wonderful. Those that kiss the ring or hand of theocrats are submissives...it's their choice...to play that role - Obama if it was in him would take the role of supreme leader and over ride the others - but - If you created a theocrat out of Obama - and put him in a room with other international theorcrats ---he would not hold up - he is still a mere boy. Quote
sharkman Posted June 29, 2009 Report Posted June 29, 2009 Due to the nature of this brutal regime harrassing their own citizens I am not at all surprised that respondents are reluctant to take part in surveys as confirmed by this report. The entire election process was a farce and prediction of Ahmadinejad winning the election was already known before the election results were announced.Full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8119658.stm Hey you, don't be confusing people with the facts, let them coast along with their rose coloured glasses regarding Iran's elections! Quote
kactus Posted June 29, 2009 Report Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Hehe, good point Sharkman... I might be accused of not being able to substantiate on my claims on that last comment. Edited June 29, 2009 by kactus Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted June 29, 2009 Report Posted June 29, 2009 Hehe, good point Sharkman... I might be accused of not being able to substantiate on my claims on that last comment. Is that BBC link supposed to be to an article? When I click it, I get a video about Neda getting shot. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 29, 2009 Report Posted June 29, 2009 When is the secular world - the relgious world and the atheist world going to understand that these clerics have nothing to do with God what so ever? Just because they have a title attatched to their names means nothing -"You will know them by the fruit they bear" So far the clerics bear rotten dead fruit. God generates goodness and does not need the meddling hands of humans assisting in the killing of humans..it's an insult to the all mighty...God births and brings about death though natural - which is devine law - to attempt to speed up the the coming off death to humans is a blatant interference and breach of true law - these clerics are simply a gang of hooligans who for the most part have half the nation living in the same delluded state they live in --- put simply - insane - or in satanah - means they are crazy - we have lunitics running the nut house..cleric that demand to be god by killing - are in severe error and should join the maker as soon as possible.. Quote
kactus Posted June 29, 2009 Report Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) You're right! I have placed another link here. It's worth mentioning whoever saw the entire 20 minutes interview with the doctor that tried to save Neda's life, he can no longer go back to the country. Here's the BBC article which I was going to place here: In 2005, in a run-off ballot, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected president with 62% of the vote compared with 36% for his opponent, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. In 2009, in the first round, President Ahmadinejad was re-elected with 63% of the vote compared with 34% for Mir Hossein Mousavi. So what is the problem? According to a study edited by Professor Ali Ansari, of the Institute of Iranian Studies at the University of St Andrews and of the London think tank Chatham House, the problem lies in the increased turnout. In 2005, Mr Ahmadinejad got 17 million votes and in 2009 he got 24 million. The question is, where did all those extra votes come from? The answer, according to this study, is not at all clear. ... Professor Mansoor Moaddel of the University of Michigan pointed out that "key political events occurred between the data gathering and the election" and that "of 1,731 people contacted, well over half either refused to participate (42.2%) or did not indicate a preferred candidate (15.6%)." Full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8113885.stm Edited June 29, 2009 by kactus Quote
jbg Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Posted June 30, 2009 Its s tough situation for those who vote against the regime. Remember Bush won in 2004, despite the fact that many didn't want him in again. Of course, they didn't have riots over it. I would have been more impressed with the protesters and Moussavi if they did keep it a civil peaceful protest. But stories showed it was violent almost from day one. That means, irresponsible troublemakers. They undermined the protest and call for democracy by burning buildings and smashing cars. Moussavi should have taken more care to control the protestors, it would have had miuch more impact that way. But now some will say, they had it comin.Do you think the government was going to hand out demonstration permits, and allow peaceful protest? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Posted June 30, 2009 Obama is like a smiling, friendly liar.I agree but not for reasons you'd like. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Sir Bandelot Posted June 30, 2009 Report Posted June 30, 2009 Do you think the government was going to hand out demonstration permits, and allow peaceful protest? Again, I try to avoid pure conjecture. Who cares what one "thinks". Demonstration permits are also required in our society, as with meetings of the WTO or during Olympic games. Theres even a designated area for the demonstrators, like several kilometers from the event. under a bridge. Nicely tucked away. Such demonstrations seem useless, unless they cause some problems. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted June 30, 2009 Report Posted June 30, 2009 I agree but not for reasons you'd like. Oh please, share... Its not only about what I like Quote
jbg Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Posted June 30, 2009 Obama is like a smiling, friendly liar. Oh please, share... Its not only about what I like Obama has, since the start of his campaign, sought to be all things to all people. He advocates far-left policies but wraps himself in the flag when needed to appeal to middle America. Your best analogy would be the very charming Brian Mulroney. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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