Saipan Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 He doesn't. So did the sabretooth tiger, dire wolf, and shortface bear just decide to die. Fairly recently, I have to add. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) He would probably say that changing conditions led to extinction - but I don't think availability of prey would be one of them. Anyway, what happened to the simplest form of evolution? ADAPTATION? Did all food source -prey - suddenly disappeared that there's no time to adapt? If availability of prey is a problem, you'd think they'd at least learn to live on other things? Develop gills and start doing some dive-fishing? How about eating plants? Becoming vegetarians? Isn't evolution supposed to be for survival? My cat prefers to be a vegetarian - and there's not even any meat shortage in her diet! If my cat can eat veggies, why didn't the large predators of the past learned and adapted, considering it was a matter of life and death situation? If your cat ate only vegetables (supplemented by only a small amount of meat) she would get sick and die. That's a fact. Edited August 29, 2011 by cybercoma Quote
Saipan Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 If your cat ate only vegetables (supplemented by only a small amount of meat) she would get sick and die. That's a fact. Is that what happen to mammoth? How about sabretooth tiger? Quote
g_bambino Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 If your cat ate only vegetables (supplemented by only a small amount of meat) she would get sick and die. That's a fact. Is that what happen to mammoth? How about sabretooth tiger? Yay! Someone's on the Saipan merry-go-round with me! It does get boring quickly. Quote
Saipan Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Yay! Someone's on the Saipan merry-go-round with me! It does get boring quickly. As Elmer would put it, Veeewy scientific indeed Quote
g_bambino Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 As Elmer would put it, Veeewy scientific indeed If one chooses to look to Elmer Fudd for scientific guidance, sure. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Is that what happen to mammoth? How about sabretooth tiger? They went extinct. Quote
Saipan Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 If one chooses to look to Elmer Fudd for scientific guidance, sure. Looks like up your creek. Any other scientific explanation? Quote
cybercoma Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Why? Because their death rate increased beyond their birth rate for a sustained amount of time. Edited August 29, 2011 by cybercoma Quote
g_bambino Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Looks like up your creek. Looks like you're wrong. Quote
Saipan Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Looks like you're wrong. OK then, so what really happen to mammoths? I'm willing to debate it. Quote
g_bambino Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 OK then, so what really happen to mammoths? I'm willing to debate it. Try to keep it in one thread, dear. Quote
bloodyminded Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 OK then, so what really happen to mammoths? I'm willing to debate it. No, you are decidely not willing to debate anything, anything at all. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Saipan Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Try to keep it in one thread, dear. Wrong answer - according to Darwin Quote
Saipan Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 No, you are decidely not willing to debate anything, anything at all. Back to mammoths. Are you willing to debate? Quote
g_bambino Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Wrong answer - according to Darwin Cite? Quote
Saipan Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Cite? The strogest more developed survive. Quote
g_bambino Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 The strogest more developed survive. Not a cite. Quote
bloodyminded Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Back to mammoths. Are you willing to debate? My point is that you aren't. (I get the feeling that your very response to this will underscore my assertion. ) Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Wild Bill Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) He would probably say that changing conditions led to extinction - but I don't think availability of prey would be one of them. Anyway, what happened to the simplest form of evolution? ADAPTATION? Did all food source -prey - suddenly disappeared that there's no time to adapt? If availability of prey is a problem, you'd think they'd at least learn to live on other things? Develop gills and start doing some dive-fishing? How about eating plants? Becoming vegetarians? Isn't evolution supposed to be for survival? My cat prefers to be a vegetarian - and there's not even any meat shortage in her diet! If my cat can eat veggies, why didn't the large predators of the past learned and adapted, considering it was a matter of life and death situation? You don't see adaptation in a matter of a couple of generations, Betsy. It can take years with insects, centuries with mammals. Drastic changes with higher lifeforms might need thousands of years. Your cat may like to eat veggies but there's no way it can live on a veggie only diet. I had nearly 20 years with my last cat. Let us know how many years YOUR cat lives living exclusively on veggies! You strike me as rather cruel, killing your pet for a silly point. Mammoths and sabertooths (saberteeth?) simply didn't have enough time to adapt. Climate change apparently happened too quickly. If we have found so many frozen mammoth carcasses in the Arctic it's doubtful if they had even a couple of generations at most. Trying to use a lack of adaptation when you are dealing with such a short timeframe is either simple scientific ignorance or a deliberate distortion of the facts. Those species that don't have time to adapt to changing conditions simply die out! That's why they aren't around anymore. Edited August 29, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
g_bambino Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Those species that don't have time to adapt to changing conditions simply die out! That's why they aren't around anymore. Don't forget that the change in environment and diet can lead to fertility issues, leading to less offspring. Each successive generation gets smaller and smaller, while each animal lives a shorter life. Quote
Saipan Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 No, you are decidely not willing to debate anything, anything at all. There you go, refusing to debate. Your free choice. But the mammoths are still gone and no one knows why. Quote
Saipan Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 My point is that you aren't. (I get the feeling that your very response to this will underscore my assertion. ) No need to take it so personally. The mammoths are the point, not me. Quote
Saipan Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Don't forget that the change in environment and diet can lead to fertility issues, leading to less offspring. Each successive generation gets smaller and smaller, while each animal lives a shorter life. So species are created for certain environment and can't adapt to different, more milder one. If that was so gradual, why were mammoths found frozen with still undigested vegetation in their stomachs? Quote
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