bjre Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 A blow against racism Student strikes back after being hit, taunted -- and finds himself charged with assault http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009...pf-9272411.html http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandg...299546-sun.html Black belt teen strikes back at bully, and rallies community against racism http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home The laws protect racism and bully, and criminalize kids. Canada has no system to solve problems, it has the expansive legal system to send people to jail and convert them into real criminals in future to continue supply the industrialized legal (not justice) system. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Smallc Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 Canada has no system to solve problems, So what do you think should have been done? Quote
bjre Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Posted May 1, 2009 So what do you think should have been done? The kids should be educated, not charged. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Smallc Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 The kids should be educated, not charged. So is assault no longer a crime? Two wrongs most certainly do not make a right. Hitting someone for saying something 'racist' is not even close to using reasonable force when defending yourself. Quote
bjre Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Posted May 1, 2009 So is assault no longer a crime? Two wrongs most certainly do not make a right. Hitting someone for saying something 'racist' is not even close to using reasonable force when defending yourself. Read the original articles following the links of the post #1 first please, kid. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Smallc Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 Read the original articles following the links of the post #1 first please, kid. I really don't see what the problem is. He was charged, and the case is being reviewed. Quote
Hydraboss Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) I listened to the interview on Chorus radio today with the kid that was charged. He overheard the other kid say the f-word in Chinese, and since the aggressor is "the only Asian kid in the school", it offended him. A pushing match ensued. The other kid punched the Asian kid and cut his lip. The Asian kid (who is a blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do) punched back and broke the other kid's nose. Schoolyard fight (although it happened in the gym during gym class) and that's all. This is about as racist an act as I am a Liberal. Charged with assault? Why not. The act he committed WAS assault. But racial motivation had bugger all to do with it. Electric chair for the little bastard. Fry him for being a racist. Damn Asians. Edited May 1, 2009 by Hydraboss Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Smallc Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 Is it ok if we agree? I think it is, but I'm not sure. As the facts stand now, I do. Quote
Hydraboss Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 Give me a minute. I'll go back and change my answer. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
bjre Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Posted May 1, 2009 I really don't see what the problem is. He was charged, and the case is being reviewed. Why we need laws? We need people be protected not be hurt. Assault hurt people, it should be prevented. How to prevent, the best way is find the reason and remove the reason. This is just like if you have caught a cold in winter, you go to see a doctor, after that, you still don' wear cloths, you will find yourself catch a cold again no matter how many medicine you have taken. It is the racism and the bully that cause the incident between the 2 kids, charge any kids or both kids only make them hate each other and make the hate spread, it only make things worse, the laws use bully to "solve" problem when human beings are not easily be concurred. They will have hate in their heart and try to find ways to release again. That is why education in this case is better than charge. Canada has too many laws, it is an industry to generate more crimes. Sometimes the problems it generated is more than the problems it solved. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Hydraboss Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 Why do we need laws?We need people to be protected and not be hurt. Assault hurts people, and it should be prevented. How to prevent it?, tThe best way is to find the reason and remove the reason. This is just like if you have caught a cold in winter, you go to see a doctor., aAfter that, if you still don't wear clothes, you will find yourself catching a cold again no matter how many medicines you have taken. It is the racism and the bullying that caused the incident between the 2 kids., cCharging any either kids or both kids, will only make them hate each other and make the hate spread., iIt will only make things worse., tThe laws use bullying to "solve" problems when human beings are not easily be concurred. They will have hate in their hearts and try to find ways to release again. That is why education in this case is better than charges. Canada has too many laws., iIt is an industry to generate more crimes. Sometimes the problems it generateds is more than the problems it solveds. There. That should fix it up for you. I beg you. Please speak English. Your posts are becoming painful. I suggest you PM mikedavid00. He should be happy to give you an English primer. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Hydraboss Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 The fact is, the Asian kid hit the non-Asian kid and got caught. Assault. Screw the racial "problem" bullshit. If the non-Asian kid had done the same, all the Asian special interest groups would be calling it a race-based assualt. It was two kids fighting. Suspend them both. Charge them both. I couldn't care less except non-Canadian (white, whatever) "groups" are all of a sudden up in arms over a poke in the nose/mouth. Give it a rest already. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
lictor616 Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 A blow against racismStudent strikes back after being hit, taunted -- and finds himself charged with assault http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009...pf-9272411.html http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandg...299546-sun.html Black belt teen strikes back at bully, and rallies community against racism http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home The laws protect racism and bully, and criminalize kids. Canada has no system to solve problems, it has the expansive legal system to send people to jail and convert them into real criminals in future to continue supply the industrialized legal (not justice) system. what a silly post. in a rational legal system, words cannot be criminalized (since its impossible to tell if and what damage are caused by words)... So being "racially taunted" is the SAME as being "TAUNTED"... If I flip off a stranger he takes offense, and brutally assaults me how is that in any way comparable to "words" and "hot air"? And a rally against racism... that's just sheep mob "activism" ... rallying behind a cause THEY KNOW is popular and orthodox. Might as well have a rally to end jealousy or timidity! its so inane... like so many other aspects of our crumbling culture.. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 oh btw... look at all this strength this diversity is providing us with... yum yum yum... Don't you just love racial diversity... so much more interesting and exciting then a boring "homogeneous", orderly, forward looking, cooperative, community minded population! Much better to have people assaulting people on the basis of a few syllables said to them... and subsequent mobilization of thousands.... blocking access to places, hogging media attention, calling for law suits... ah yes at last we see how lovely diversity is! Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
CANADIEN Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 The fact is, the Asian kid hit the non-Asian kid and got caught. Assault. Screw the racial "problem" bullshit.If the non-Asian kid had done the same, all the Asian special interest groups would be calling it a race-based assualt. It was two kids fighting. Suspend them both. Charge them both. I couldn't care less except non-Canadian (white, whatever) "groups" are all of a sudden up in arms over a poke in the nose/mouth. Give it a rest already. The two kids should be suspended. The bully should then be expelled from the school. Neither bullying nor racism should be tolerated. Quote
CANADIEN Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) oh btw... look at all this strength this diversity is providing us with... yum yum yum... Don't you just love racial diversity... so much more interesting and exciting then a boring "homogeneous", orderly, forward looking, cooperative, community minded population! Much better to have people assaulting people on the basis of a few syllables said to them... and subsequent mobilization of thousands.... blocking access to places, hogging media attention, calling for law suits... ah yes at last we see how lovely diversity is! I knew you would be coming to this one day. People are more or less intelligent based on their race. Now diversity is bad. No wonder you believe that people should not confront racism. Edited May 1, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote
bjre Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Posted May 1, 2009 There. That should fix it up for you.I beg you. Please speak English. Your posts are becoming painful. I suggest you PM mikedavid00. He should be happy to give you an English primer. Thanks a lot. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Wild Bill Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) Interesting. No one in this thread seems to pinpoint the real issue. The Asian-Canadian boy himself said that if he was charged then so should the other fellow. THAT's why over 150 of the other students are standing behind him! Whatever happened to "zero tolerance" for racism? This boy has apparently never been in trouble before of any kind. He has maintained high grades. I doubt if he "went postal" merely because someone used on racially-charged name at him. Surely the case is not that simple. The principal is really to blame! Sadly, we see this sort of thing all the time. Schools post noble sounding rules like "ZERO TOLERANCE FOR RACISM! ZERO TOLERANCE FOR BULLYING! ZERO TOLERANCE FOR NASTY WORDS!" In the real world, it's often just crap! I've seen it myself at my daughter's school. Teachers and management ignore a problem until a victim can't stand it anymore and lashes back. At that point the victim has become "over the radar" by his or her actions so the staff take the easy route and punish the victim. I applaud the Asian boy! No one becomes a vigilante because they want to. It's almost always because the "system" is letting them down. The other boy got what he deserved! He's lucky someone didn't sic a Human Rights Tribunal on him! Edited May 1, 2009 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Molly Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) The assault charge sounds like poo-for-brains overreaction. Two suspensions make a lot of sense. If there's an expulsion in the wind, they got the wrong kid. (But it would be awfully interesting to hear/read an interview with the kid with the broken nose....) ....................... It was fascinating to read the comments accompanying those news reports. Lots of comments about banjos, trailer parks... a reference to Keswick as 'a punch line', and overall, a great deal of curled-lip disdain for, essentially, all things rural. My experience, though, says that if you want to witness over-the-top racism and insularity, go to urban setting, 'cause that's where it's rampant. Stupid stereotypes abound. Edited May 1, 2009 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Wild Bill Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 It was fascinating to read the comments accompanying those news reports. Lots of comments about banjos, trailer parks... a reference to Keswick as 'a punch line', and overall, a great deal of curled-lip disdain for, essentially, all things rural. My experience, though, says that if you want to witness over-the-top racism and insularity, go to urban setting, 'cause that's where it's rampant. Stupid stereotypes abound. Quite right! The most bigoted man I ever knew was a Hindu. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Hydraboss Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 Interesting. No one in this thread seems to pinpoint the real issue.The Asian-Canadian boy himself said that if he was charged then so should the other fellow. THAT's why over 150 of the other students are standing behind him! Whatever happened to "zero tolerance" for racism? He's lucky someone didn't sic a Human Rights Tribunal on him! The real point of this story is that there was no racism involved, but people are trying to make a capital case out of it. Kids will find whatever they can to egg on other kids. It may not be right, but it's damn true. The white kid said "f*ck" in Chinese. That's it. From there, both kids followed the path that others have taken for thousands of years. They had a scuffle. If the school rules say they are to be suspended, then suspend them. If one or the other is found by school officials to be the instigator and the school has expulsion rules for that person, then expel him. If someone picks a fight with me, should I run to the news and say "my great grandfather was German, so this was racially motivated!"??? What a load of shit. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Molly Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) The white kid said "f*ck" in Chinese. That's it. Um, no. That's not what was said. You might want to read a link again. (What's that up the road? A head?) Edited May 1, 2009 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Sir Bandelot Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 You punks all need to be told to shut up. But some will not listen, and need to learn a little respect by the use of force. Thats human nature applied Quote
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